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Democrats Force Government Shutdown

6 years ago

"Thousands dead in Washington of apparent irony overdose" 

Democrats Force Government Shutdown

6 years ago

Technically speaking, if you're just talking about who voted against the bill, you should also include the Republican dissidents in your title. Having said that, the shutdown is as much the fault of the Republicans as it is of the Democrats. The spending bill has always been a negotiation between the two parties, and neither side has come with a solution both of them could live with. Saying the Democrats forced the government shutdown would imply that they're solely responsible for the fact that a lot of government programmes now go without funding, and a lot of government officials without salary.

Democrats Force Government Shutdown

6 years ago

The Republicans would more than likely have been able to rally their members if there was a sliver of chance this bill could have passed. The Democrats essentially forced the shutdown by being completely unreasonable about demanding DACA for a regular spending bill.

Democrats Force Government Shutdown

6 years ago

Ah yes, just like they managed to rally their members with the tax bill, the bill to repeal Obamacare, etc. I, for one, find it funny that a party which controls all branches of government still manages to fail so miserably on all fronts.

Speaking of unreasonable demands, the Republicans could then also have prevented the shutdown by removing their multi-billion dollar demand for their border wall. As a matter of fact, talks about both, between Trump and Schumer/Pelosi had occasionally been promising. However, the president himself didn't even seem to grasp his own party's policy, as any agreements made had to be turned back under Republican criticism. An example would for example also be the temporary extension of the extension that would have prevented this whole shutdown in the first place.

Democrats Force Government Shutdown

6 years ago

If you called the White House during this shutdown, you were given a [salty] message about how the democrats refused to come to an agreement due to "unrelated immigration" policy -- even though what they were so indecisive about was directly linked to DACA. Just thought it was funny that they blamed the democrats and then thought it would be a good idea to claim that it had nothing to do with immigration.