I'm in a debate with a retarded girl... *ahem* religious girl on gay marriage, and I found it kind of funny that I made this connection:
While I’m thinking about it, I want to ask you: Do you eat pork, Anna? Do you lie, or have you ever? Do you rest on the seventh day? Are you imperfect in any way? If you answered yes to any of these questions, then maybe you should try to change yourself before you start on anyone else. After all, how can you even begin to... "fix" others, if you can’t even do it for yourself? You’re so quick to chastise others, and make them do as you want, yet you yourself are imperfect. Couldn’t it be that, because of your imperfections and possiblly tainted will, you may be dictating others to follow you into a hole that you cannot see? Couldn’t help but noticing... And I myself am astonished to make this connection, but: Isn’t that exactly what happened with Lucifer? Just a thought.
I called her Satan. :p
wow that was a bit much.
but i still stand by what i say. starting with 'religious retard', then going on to say "If you answered yes to any of these questions, then maybe you should try to change yourself before you start on anyone else."
i agree that we shouldnt go around 'fixing' others until we areselves are perfect mind you. but to start with an aggressive approach then tell her to back down is a bit controdictory.
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I said retarded because she doesn't know what she's talking about. She wishes to impose her beliefs of others. She believes that oppressing homosexuals makes for a better community. That's retarded.
People are so quick to tell other people what to do, they don't look at their own faults. Also retarded.
How did this "debate" with the aforementioned retard go?
they like to discuss acts 10:13-21. God said that many of the things that were declared unclean in Leviticus were now made clean by jesus.
The specific instance being discussed is that salvation is for Gentiles, not just Jews. However, they like to expand that to say also that most of the things forbidden in leviticus are allowed now.
But not for gays. God is against them. Still.
I find it interesting that people can reconcile the vengeful, warrior god of the old testament with the forgiving tolerance of the New.
Isn't that what Jesus did? Defied the ancient jewish customs and argued for love and peace?
Christianity has to do with christ, nothing more.
Incidentally, in the middle east there are more gay men than anywhere else in the world. Not a recent phenomenon either.
You DON'T choose to be gay. You find out that you have been born gay. Many people don't know that, so they believe that being gay is pure sin, when really it's a natural phenomenon.
And about this whole Catholic gay thing...shut up. :P
This gay thing is another of mankind's attempts to restrict freedom that has nothing to do with them.
Freedom where it doesn't interfere with another's freedom.
In this case, I'd say freedom of sexuality is more important than... well... freedom of supressing freedom.
Nah, I dont see conflict there. One of the core tenets of Christianity is tolerance.
See, this is the problem with a holy book thousands of years old, heavily edited, certain books selected and others banned and finally translated between at least 3 languages.
To make it worse, each interpretation believes their version is "God's will". Thats why I'm not too pleased with the spiritual side of christianity. I believe the moral guidelines are far more importan than pleasing a deity, because of the manipulation the latter can undergo.
Fucking fundamentalists.
Once again, I like to find balance, equilibrium, connections, etc. Since I'm Christian, I believe I'm right. Hence. But I don't believe that MUSLIMS MUST DIE!!! (I'm sorry if that offended anyone. Sorry self.) or anything like that. I TOLERATE that. Also, I like to find connections with those other faiths. Even things that aren't necessarily accepted as an official statement in Christianity's credo, I try to work into my credo.
So when someone says, "This is God's will," and then, like, kills some athiests or something, I'd go up to that person, slap them in the face, and then tell them, "Epic fail!!!" and hope they repent.
I'd like to believe "we can all be friends," but frankly Saranac's Root Beer pwns all.
(I've been waiting for a reletively short post to reply to. :p For the record, if anyone has fallen into Fleshy's trap, this thread isn't about religion.)
I think that being a part of a church is not a bad thing, given that you need to be baptized to go to heaven :p, but no person should believe 100% what their church tells them. There's corruption all over... And people will be wrong. I agree with you about people making a fuss about what denomination one is. If you've read the books, you can make your own interpretation, instead of having others tell you that they're right and everyone else is wrong.
My church, for example, has some pretty good ideas I think. Though, I wouldn't agree with them on everything. The "prophet" of the SDA's believed that bicycles were evil... Come on, man! Bikes! Hahah... My church doesn't advocate that, but the do still try to defend her by saying that bikes woul detract people from giving their offerings and decimos (whatever that is in English). That's pretty dumb I think, but that doesn't make them wrong about everything.
Anyways, my point was: people need to chill the fuck out. Haha, stop attacking people who don't believe in that same thing. Some people really piss me off with that.
"bikes woul detract people from giving their offerings and decimos "
That means: "Don't spend money that you could just give to us! Happiness is eeeeevil!"
They just want to leech your money. It's just a guilt-con.
Fuck the bible belt. The internet is still free (except for china. And North Korea. and maybe aussieland if the shitbrained cockpouches win this one.)
What does the internet have to do with religious intolerance?
Before being a dick head, try reading thoroughly. I said that she believed they were evil. I don't believe that, obviously, but I was making a point about how no church is perfect, though they may have some good ideas. It's people today who try to defend the "evil bike" theory and that's just one explanation. If you're going to try and defend something as retarded as that, then there's obviously something wrong with you; and if you're going to group those people with everyone else, as if we all think alike, then there's something wrong with you.
lol Totalitarianism.
Maybe we can open a chill pill factory, Solo. lol That'd be awesome! "Hey man, settle down, and take a Solo-Anubis Inc. Chill Pill! Buy 10 for 2 bucks!"
Anyway, I do admit that sometimes people - inside and outside the faith - believe that to be holy, you must rid yourself of ALL pleasure EVARRR! No. It's the same with fasting. You don't STARVE yourself, you make a focused effort to eat healthily, and maybe skip a snack or two. Then again, if starving is your thing and helps you commune with God, go ahead by all means. Once again, it's about your choice. I know that I've set a friggin' Guinness World Record of repeating that line, but it's true.
Oh, and allow me to bore you YET AGAIN with a story.
So we have these friends who go to our church, and they are uber-strict when it comes to their faith. They fast extremely strictly, etc. Anyway, fairly recently one of the boys of this family got leukemia. Everyone is like "OMGHOW'DHEGETITTHERESNOHISTORYOMGOMGWHATWEDO?!?!?!!?" My mom is studying biophysics in college, and it just so happens that the unit their class was on was leukemia and cancer and whatnot. Turns out that if one doesn't receive enough meat and dairy, their body is much more suseptable to cancer. Now, returning to the boy, part of the fasting was to give up dairy and meats.
Yeah.
That's hilarious and horrible all at once.
By the way, our friend is recovering, so we all let out a sigh of relief.
You son of a bitch lol
Yeah, he does. Although the Ten Commandments are things you FOLLOW, not things you cannot do. So goes to show you his research is a little off, but I won't doddle on that.
Honestly I focus more on the morals thought by religion, and I don't zealously defend every letter and comma and space of the stories.
Not the first time ppl have died for religion.
Not even the ten-thousandth time.
Not really. The bible rarely even speaks of Hell.
http://graphjam.com/2008/06/16/song-chart-memes-god-vs-satan/
Yeah, that's probably how it went down. I can't help but thinking that there had to have been some guy counting each and every one of those deaths. XD They counted right down to the last digit.
How do they know exactly how many people died in the Great Flood? Or when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed?
Can anyone name the 10 people killed by Satan? (Job's family?)
You got it.
The reason for fasting is to refrain from food as well as focus on spiritual "fasting", where you cleanse yourself, etc. It's sort of a figure-of-speech I suppose.
Fasting can be partial or absolute. Is that what you're talking about?
...Religious fasting is fasting. Why would you think it's not? Because it's not absolute, or that it includes that effort of cleansing? It's still fasting, and if you must it just has a little extra.
He's saying that the part of the inner cleansing is something he does every day, or strives to do. It's part of what he does while he fasts. If you're adamant about fasting being only that you refrain from eating, then think of it as abridging.
Bah, I skim. So sue me.
Don't actually sue though. Please.
the irony of this being about religion now is beyond funny to me.
however, fasting can be more than just not eating. otherwise it would just be starvation. however, they have a difference. it goes beyond just not eating. besides, when fasting many people go with just water and bread. still fasting though.
Fasting is primarily the act of willingly abstaining from some or all food, drink, or both, for a period of time.-wikipedia
your definition of fasting is not the only one out there. fasting does encompass eating very little food as well within its definition.
There was a reason for invading Iraq.
Damn, I forgot it.
