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Ishmael

15 years ago

All I can say is: G'damn!  Haha, I love this book.  It's one of my summer assignments to read it and write a journal on what I think is important or whatever (lots of freedom to write what I want).  This assignment is for AP Environmental Science, and it's got a lot to do with Ecology, I guess, but it's a highly philosophical book.  It gets you thinking. :D

I don't think that my experience reading it would be the same if I wasn't writing this journal, because writing down my thoughts opens up a whole new element to the book.  If anyone's read it, tell me what you think.  Haha, and also, don't spoil the ending. :p  I haven't finished it.

Ishmael

15 years ago
Freedom eh? Freedom really is superior, eh!

Ishmael

15 years ago

Haha, I wish I knew what (absolute) freedom really was.  I do have more freedom, however, which is really nice. :p

Ishmael

15 years ago
Hahaha. Don Juan in Castaneda talks about absolute freedom really well.

Ishmael

15 years ago

Then I'll make it a priority to check him out, as it's my philosophy that if absolute freedom were to exist, in whatever form, people could never have a proper conception of it.  As in, "I am not free, therefore I know not what it is."

There's a guy who's name escapes me... Nergle?  Nergal?  Thomas something... He wrote a paper on what it's like to be a bat (the animal), and in this essay he talks about how we could never have a proper conception of what it's like to be one, despite all of our knowledge on them.

Well, actually, that's linked to a different philosophy I have, but it applies here too. :p  If we can never be it, then how can we expect to know what it's like?  It get's pretty trippy. Haha (This should actually be posted on a different thread, which I'll put up now.)

Ishmael

15 years ago
Absolute Freedom isn't what you might think. But I'd definitely recommend his books, they are totally life changing.

Ishmael

15 years ago

That's the thing, haha, I don't even think I know what it is.  In fact, I'm pretty sure I don't. :p

Any chance I'll find some sort of ceminar of his online?

Ishmael

15 years ago
Not likely. He was a pretty secretive guy. You can torrent all of his novels though.

Ishmael

15 years ago

Hm, sounds odd, but alright.  I'll look for his stuff in a bookstore, or possibly my school library.  I hate reading things on the computer... ironically. :p

Ishmael

15 years ago
Same here. Doubt your school would have it but other libraries and bookstores almost always do. They're extremely popular and well respected, except among the religious right wing nuts. A lot of the OMS stuff (one of my characters in particular) is based on it.

Ishmael

15 years ago

Interesting... The school librarian should at least know of his stuff then.  Haha, she's fuckin' badass.  She gave me the passkey to the computers' security thing and let me install Quake 3 on one of the computers.

Anyways, if you get a chance, I definitely recommend this book: Ishmael.  I'm on chapter 10 of 15, and if I don't take too long on my writing, I should be done with it by tonight!

Ishmael

15 years ago
What's it really about?

Ishmael

15 years ago

Well, it starts off with some guy who's pissed off at some ad, which read something like:  "Teacher looking for assistant with an earnest desire to save the world."  He checks it out to see if it's legit and to satisfy some curiosity, and it turns out that the teacher is actually a gorilla named Ishmael.  Before he meets the gorilla, he reads another sign that pisses him off for some reason: "with Man gone, will there be any hope for Gorilla?"

It's an ambiguous question, and he doesn't understand it at first.  Does it mean that if Man is gone, then will Gorillas finally be able to climb out of their hole and survive?  Or, does it mean that with Man gone, will the Gorillas be doomed to perish, provided that we won't be here to save them from potential extinction?

Anyways, it goes on, and the so-far nameless assistant (who's taken the job) is a typical man, who's blinded by a story or a myth that we people use to comfort ourselves, and slowly but surely, his subconscious propaganda begins to unravel before him...

That's the gist of it anyway.  The examples used are easy to follow, as the assistant/student is totally in the blue about everything, and he's made to figure it all out himself.

Ishmael

15 years ago
Castaneda is actually quite similar. Except he claims it's not fiction. I've done a lot of research and experienced a lot of things and so I tend to agree with him, although his own wife says he may have embellished the odd detail, so I wouldn't disagree with someone who said that.

Essentially, he learns from a Yaqui Mexican, Don Juan, a whole different kind of life. He learns amazing things through various methods and experiences phenomenons. The books are dated like diary logs and go on for years but the way it's done is brilliant.

I can't give away more than that, really. But people like Deepak Chopra praise him as one of the most important thinkers of the 20th century. He came up with Tensegrity and is one of the most important teachers of lucid dreaming.

Reading those books has changed my life. But it requires some outside-the-box thinking. Read the OMS and the character Tom Wan is a lot like Don Juan in Castaneda.

Ishmael

15 years ago

Will do.

Rarely do I find a book that actually changes my way of living/thinking.  I can't say that Ishmael is one of them, as it lines up with many of my philosophies... The Mind's I, which I started a thread on already, is one of those few books that actually did.  Because the many different philosophies, mind experaments, and ethics readings, I was able to find a few that actually changed my views.  Like, does a computer think?  It's not argued by anyone involved in the debate/discussion that they learn, which they do.  But is that the same as thinking?  What does it mean to think, in every sense of the word?  (don't answer that. :p)

That's a good read, too.

Ishmael

15 years ago

Well, now I can say that I thoroughly enjoyed this novel.  I'll likely opt for the $18 at the bookstore and buy it. 

It's one of the best books I've ever "read," and I can say that I was totally captivated throughout the entire thing.  Not a  single boring moment.