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Legal hypotheticals

6 years ago

I have some questions about various poppycockical "loopholes" that people used to talk about all through high school, and I want to know if they're true. But I also don't want to spend hours and hours reading shit about sex offenders and the Wikipedia articles on laws for answers that may or may not be there. Because I have, tediously enough, read half the article on statutory rape before wanting to kill myself from boredom and learning nothing so I'm passing the task on to you!

If someone tells a guy they're 18 when they're under 18, can they still be arrested for having sex with them? I think that's how the myth goes. That, or they're shown an ID verifying that the kid is 18+, and then they have sex, and the guy goes to prison.

If someone frames you for their fake death and you go to jail for it for, say, 20 years, can you go find them and murder them afterward? I mean, if they're already officially dead, it should be fine, right? Would you kill someone after spending 20 years in prison for killing them?

IN states where prostitution is illegal, and they still have that antiquated law where nonrelated women living together is a brothel, could a policeman technically walk in and start arresting people at any time? Or is there a certain process to arresting prostitutes? Because I've seen officers not really bothering/giving a fuck about some pretty obvious prostitutes in streets.

Legal hypotheticals

6 years ago
If someone tells a guy they're 18 when they're under 18, can they still be arrested for having sex with them?

The "they" and "them" is to ambiguous. Who is being arrested here? Actually both questions of that section need clarification. Who is doing what to whom and being arrested here?

If someone frames you for their fake death and you go to jail for it for, say, 20 years, can you go find them and murder them afterward?

You now have 20 years to plan how you're going to find them and torture them to death. Be good for parole and then when you have the chance to put your plan into action, do it.

Police don't usually care about prostitutes - it's a puritan thing that nobody cares much about changing because the law already isn't enforced very well. Unless the prostitute is excessively obvious then the cop isn't really obligated to do anything or probably thinks it's useless to arrest a prostitute anyways. I'd imagine the process for arresting a prostitute is the same as arresting any criminal - probably closely reflects the process for a street dealer being caught except without as much of an armed threat to the cop involved.

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6 years ago

The guy who is overage for the person who lied about their age. They have otherwise consensual sex under the pretense that they're both of legal age, with ID. Can the dude who was lied to still be prosecuted?

I mean, not that the cops would crack down on it or anything, but I mean, if there was a house that was technically a brothel, could a cop still technically run a search and/or arrest people just to be a dick, even though it's obviously not a brothel?

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6 years ago
Yes, unfortunately he can be prosecuted. At that time it depends on the reasonability of the judge and how much the girl can sway the jury.

Cops need a warrant to enter households. So unless they had excessive proof (ie, the prostitutes were extremely obvious and it was clearly a brothel from the outside) like photographs and stuff to present to a judge, they probably wouldn't be able to acquire a search warrant. The only time cops don't need a warrant to enter and search a private building is if they believe lives are at stake or if they believe someone is comitting suicide; in cases where life is a factor then there's no time to get a warrant and it is therefore permissible for an officer to enter a building.

Source: I almost dated a female officer (technically officer-to-be at the time; who is now a part of the police force). Also I've watched lots of crime videos and tv when I was young. Every search of anything private needs a warrant from a judge unless it's a car or a bag/box of something. Basically if it's private property they can't just waltz in.

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6 years ago
I have never heard of this 'unrelated women are a brothel' thing, are you sure you didn't make it up?

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6 years ago

It's one of those things people were getting really upset about in the 70s-90s if not still today. Even though it wasn't enforced too often because of common decency, something like a house where all occupants are women, the women were unrelated to the man or men who lived there, or something like that, was legally considered a brothel. Apparently that was a law in the 1800s-early 1900s, and I remember there being a stink about those still being Laws in Virginia or something at a spookily recent date.

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6 years ago
Pretty sure the prostitute has to explicitly solicit someone for sex in exchange for money or else agree with someone approaching her, it's not enough just to hang around somewhere looking like a whore. (Lots of site members would have their moms arrested CONSTANTLY if so and that would just be impractical.

It's always my understanding the guy would be arrested even if the girl lies about her age, no idea what would happen if a fake ID was presented though.

..funnily enough, we have a site member who (allegedly) could run an AMA on underage prostitution, at least for how the laws work in her country, but I haven't seen her around recently.

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6 years ago

I’ve always sort of wondered if the cops can still bust you for hiring a prostitute, but not for sex purposes, you’re just hiring her to play games and talk with or something similar.

Or if you’re hiring her and you ARE going to have sex with her, but you have a camera to film it all, meaning technically you’re paying her to make a porno movie which is legal as far as I know.

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6 years ago
When's the last time you saw a prostitute on the street attractive enough to star in a porno?

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6 years ago

Well there's a lot of amateur home movie shit nowadays, so there's also a lot of ugly people having sex on camera and uploading it to porn sites. There's also more than a few hideous porn stars. I suppose it's all subjective, so I don't think the attractive level matters too much.

Plus you could always explain that you're making porn for people that got a fetish for women that have only one eye or something.

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6 years ago

What you're describing is an escort. Prostitution is, by definition, sex in exchange for money. No sex, no crime.

As far as the second part goes, I don't think it would be illegal to do that, but it could vary depending on the circumstances. Making an amateur film in and of itself isn't illegal.

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6 years ago

Yes, almost every time and I think it's bullshit. If you met a woman in a bar/club that is 18+ entry (or even 21+) and she tells you she is over 18 (or whatever) and shows an ID to prove it, the man who has sex with her had a valid reason to believe that she is as old as she said. Clearly it was enough for her to get inside in the first place. If anything, the liability should fall on the bar/club itself for not protecting it's clientele as well as the underage girl involved. Even if the bar/club scenario isn't involved, the same logic would still apply. If the man legitimately believes that she is the age she claims she is, it should fall on the girl and her parents. It's unjust to lock up and place these men on a watch list for them being mislead by someone like this. It ruins lives.

If they were clever enough to fake their death and successfully frame me, I'd assume that they have a new identity that they've grown into in the last 20 years. No, I wouldn't kill this person unless I had nothing better to do with my life.

I'm not sure. There are plenty of laws in the books that aren't enforced anymore (like eating oranges in the bathtub or stopping a child from playing in a puddle of water), I'd imagine this being no different. I don't think police really prioritize prostitution as well as they should. We need to get these whores and/or slaves off our streets.

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6 years ago

WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE KID FUCKERS???? 

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6 years ago

What does that have to do with anything?

re: street hookers

6 years ago

I dig through disclosure as a major part of my job. One thing you need to understand is that arrests require a fuckton of paperwork. Namely, they have to file an Investigative Action and the have to photocopy their Duty Notes. These end up bundled together with the disclosure that gets faxed to the hooker's attorney. 

Now at this point, the officer is considered a police witness, and will likely have to show up for court to testify against the hooker. The hooker's lawyer can have a run at him, and try to point out inconsistencies with the notes. This is time-consuming. In some circumstances, it's much easier to just pretend you didn't see anything. 

Ofc, hookers usually plead out. But still.