Just tried to sign up for Obamacare for shits and giggles (not that i would ever help fund that piece of shit)
my deductible is 14k a year my premiuim is 648 a month (948 for all 5 of us) if i dont sign up for Obamacare I will be fined 4-6k a year after 24 consecutive months of not enrolling They will place a 10k tax lien on my house or other financed property. Also this fine can and will be taken out of my income tax returns yearly till paid in full. Also they have permission to garnish a percentage of any deposit I make into the bank, or my wages.
Obamacare just sounds more affordable every second. And the Libs voted for this guy.... Le Sigh....
Thanks for taking our taxes and sucking up to the guy. That makes everything just perfect.
Government = biggest scam artist ever.
What governmet does to scam artist in U.S.A. = puts them in federal prison
Why is government not in federal prison?
what is worse are all the people bashing the republican party for not supporting the Health care bill... Well stupid fucks this is why they are not.
also: I didnt enroll I took a screen shot and emailed it to my congressman. with a big font LMAO as the title.
But I'm a democrat and I don't support Obama. I think I am. 99.8% sure I am. And none of my family does either.
thats good, you shouldn't.
I am a libertarian, i don't support either parties bullshit.
Once I hit 18 I'm gonna change party. Those two parties have been leading everyone on. None of their candidates are good anymore either.
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Natalow, if I may make a single, most gracious request.
Please stop posting this spam. Otherwise I'll have to talk to Madglee about deleting your posts. This place is a place for intellectuals to talk. If you don't want to participate, no one cares.
Was gonna say that, but you just made it sound so badass...
She already did that. with that stupid "random/boredom" thread (Which, by the way, i've asked madglee to delete)
Did Mad reply?
Fairly recent (The request) and he doesn't log on as much as he used to. He already did it when I requested that he delete the "Start with a letter" thread though, so I don't doubt he'll do it for the thread literally titled "random"
A few of her other threads as well, they're really cluttering up the forums.
I've deleted a bunch recently. Keeping her above post here (albeit edited) so she gets the message.
Thank you, ^_^
Yeah, it should. But I don't care about what she posts outside. Many think mustache threads were spam, but we didn't delete them, and I'm thankful.
But to activley spam other threads,and fill it with stupidity is against what CYS lounge stands for. And I don't like that.
Mustache threads were hilarious, and I personaly think they livened the community and forums. What Nataliow is doing is annoying spam, and in the wrong thread no less.
Just make a separate thread for MLP :P
She already did that.
Then she should stick with them...
I'm not sure exactly how tax and healthcare is done in the USA (so if I'm missing something obvious tell me) but if you're going to get taxed regardless of whether you sign up for Affordable Care (or whatever its proper name is) or not then wouldn't it be logical to sign up for it?
No - just look at the numbers - it is way cheaper to take the fine after a 2 year grace period than to buy in.
Could be, but it's a government health care. Private ones are to be better, I assume/believe (and I'm certain about it for my family's plan). (and Obama promised that we could keep our original plan if we liked it. Didnt know we'd be fined if we don't want to join up with the government care.)
When Obama leaves office, the next president will (hopefully) cut obamacare off the tax Ed which is pretty much where all its money comes from. Then when people can't get free appointments or whatever they'll drop it too. I think that's how it is anyway. I haven't taken civics yet.
My view on american doctors:
(Especially the last one)
My views in Canadian government healthcare:
Eh, was never that bad for me (and I never had a particularly serious health problem either, just a broken wrist that I hadn't noticed was broken)
How often that happens....(notice its not a question)
Dunno, but what you listed never occured to any of my family, so if we are ignoring things based on a groups statement, don't think what you stated matters either. ;P
(Are you sure you don't have a personal doctor though?)
No, I didn't have a personal doctor, used to but he retired/died a while ago (Though he did seem to like me, probably was a factor)
Though I haven't been to him yet, since we went to a public one the first year here, and on that trip my mom got pissed and stopped visiting that place. ;p
I'm really not sure what you're talking about. Could you clarify a bit?
Been in my new location for two years. First year we went to a clinic, got screwed over, and so I never met the family doctor (the current one)
How so? (And how come?)
Price thing is completely true though
every Canadian I have ever talked to -Drak: "God our healthcare system fucking sucks, eh?"
Haha, saw that you posted it twice XD
My personal experience really wasn't that bad, seriously, all the doctors i've dealt with have treated me very well, the wait times are long (Usually around 3 hours) but haven't been that bad for me.
Yeah, 3 hours when you unknowingly have a serious condition is horrible ;P
Serious conditions get in a lot faster (Keep in mind I had a relatively minor problem, and I saw many people who arrived after me go in before because they had actual, you know, serious injuries. There was this one guy who's foot had been run over by a car, got in after a few minutes)
If you unknowingly have a serious condition, then i'd be surprised if you're even going to a hospital. if you don't know what you have is a serious problem, chances are you won't go the hospital for it.
Wait... Are you talking about hospital or clinic?
I was talking about check ups and such.
I wish Bill Clinton was still the president, he might have been scummy, but at least he left with a budget surplus . . . Obamacare is another good intention gone wrong, healthcrare is a important thing and people shouldn't have to destroy their budgets to be insured, but I don't think Obamacare is the right solution. I personally am hating on the Republicans because they spurt bullshit without any of the Democrat grace . . . and they shut down the frickin government over a law that already past and is backed by the supreme court, it's like we're in the seventh grade or something
What did Bill Clinton do that was wrong again?
He cheated on his wife, with multiple women.
What? (Grammar is important dude)
Irrelevant haha, what did I write wrong? You didn't explain anything. You just called me an idiot.
I'm using me brand new computer, hehe, spam =P
What is it? (Apple computer, Microsoft etc.)
it's a Lenovo running windows 7, I actually made a forum about it lol
If I think I can read through your lack of punctuation, I never said that was the only thing he did wrong.
Well that doesn't make me an idiot :P I was saying what he did wrong. Cheating on your wife = bad. Never said that was why he was impeached.
And what's wrong with that exactly...?
And...? That's private life, why would anyone care about that? It's not like he actually did anything bad to the country, right?
Ok, and did he spend the entire time spilling out national secrets to Hilary? Was she an enemy country spy? Did he let her rifle through his papers later?
do you read a woman's work files while having sex? I don't think they had much else on their mind lol, and if it was his secretary, wouldn't she see a lot of those papers anyway?
Seems like a really fucking stupid reason to impeach a president, your private life is your private life...
Now, if he was actually doing a bad job, that would be a whole 'nother thing.
Frankly, he shouldn't have been asked a question like that in the first place, it was a public situation no? He should have been asked privately, and details shouldn't have been given out. Absolutely horrible way to go about the whole thing.
"The charges arose from an investigation by Independent Counsel Ken Starr. Originally dealing with the failed land deal years earlier known as Whitewater, Starr, with the approval of United States Attorney General Janet Reno, conducted a wide ranging investigation of alleged abuses including the firing of White House travel agents, the alleged misuse of FBI files, and Bill Clinton's conduct during the sexual harassment lawsuit filed by a former Arkansas government employee, Paula Jones. In the course of the investigation, Linda Tripp provided Starr with taped phone conversations in which Monica Lewinsky, a former White House Intern, discussed having oral sex with Clinton. At the deposition, the judge ordered a precise legal definition of the term "sexual relations" that Clinton claims to have construed to mean only vaginal intercourse. A much-quoted statement from Clinton's grand jury testimony showed him questioning the precise use of the word "is." Contending that his statement that "there's nothing going on between us" had been truthful because he had no ongoing relationship with Lewinsky at the time he was questioned, Clinton said, "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the—if he—if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not—that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement". Starr obtained further evidence of inappropriate behaviour by seizing the computer hard drive and email records of Monica Lewinsky. Based on his conflicting testimony, Starr concluded that Clinton had committed perjury. Starr submitted his findings to Congress in a lengthy document (the so-called Starr Report), and simultaneously posted the report on the internet, replete with lurid descriptions of encounters between Clinton and Lewinsky. Starr was criticised by Democrats for spending $70 million on an investigation that substantiated only perjury and obstruction of justice. Critics of Starr also contend that his investigation was highly politicized because it regularly leaked tidbits of information to the press, in violation of legal ethics, and because his report included lengthy descriptions which were humiliating yet irrelevant to the legal case."
not at all bro http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
He wasn't actually impeached right? He left before they officially impeached him I think
he was acquitted.
but he was tried under impeachment law/proceedings yes
let a man do as he pleases to satisfy those kinky desires =P
Didn't Kennedy cheat on his wife too?
Republicans held majority of house and senate during that time of his presidency (I think)
true, but the $$$$$!!!!!!! really the money is important, healthcare won't matter when China gets pissed off when we don't have their, and I believe that shutdown lasted not too long . . . I believe anyway =P
Wow Aeon, amazed making a mistake about something makes you an idiot. Remind me never to engage in a discussion with you. :\
lol oh no i meant the "he slept with multiple women" comment. he didn't he actually admitted he never "slept" with a woman other than his wife during his tenure.
Just got blown by the one. :)
So, you call Tant an idiot? Not, you know, the people who are pissing you off?
Again, I'm incline to say your an ass since you randomly stated "stop spewing stupidity" and "you're an Idiot" to someone. Everyone has made mistakes. Even you, and I doubt you'd enjoy it if someone called you an idiot,
what keeps this site civil is a lack of insults when someone gets their facts wrong. When they make an idiotic statement (like "No Polotics MLP durp" for example) insulting them makes them hopefully see that they are wrong.
But when someone gets their facts straight. Saying "You're an idiot" makes you look like a total ass.
Thanks man (and drak too) but chill. Haven't taken offense really, just confusion and a reawakening of my ex-grammar nazi eyes ;)
Not attacking Aeon (Gods know i've reacted much more violently than an angry forum insult when i've been frustrated), just confused that he was angry at you, I mean, there are easily at least 3 other people he would have more right to be angry at on this thread, myself included.
I'm not angry bro?
Ah, then they must have been the friendly insults one shares with people they like, for example:
Me: Heeeey! Jer, how are you you prissy fucker!
Jer: I'm good you asshole, i'm good. Hey, how's so and so going?
Me: Great man. (Continues conversation with gradually less insulting language)
Or, during an argument:
Me: Ok, listen up you deaf shit-sack piece of goat asshole, you're wrong about so and so (Long-winded explanation)
Jer: Oh? Listen up you week-old sewage smelling bitch, (Long-winded counter)
If I was insulting him for real there would have been more profanity and much more original and "unique" names.
No I was just referring to a couple of lines from a few posts. Then posting from my kindle makes him rage because of the typos lol.
And Drak I've only gotten angry at you once :) who are the other 2?
whatd Kwism do? and Aman was just telling me I was being a dick, I can take the truth bud. I can wear big boy pants when I need to. I just prefer to run around in my undies.
Not the typos, lack of punctuation ;) Plus, give me a break, I'm an ex-grammar nazi here! (Ask Aman... He knows)
But yeah, cussing is irrelevant, you just said something uncalled for, and it kinda shows that as I shouldn't debate politics with you. Imagine-
I: Didn't Obama make 10 million jobs? *
Aeon: fucking idiat!
*note: Obama doing that doesn't matter, since so much more jobs were lost. But it's an example okay?
OOC: don't take this to be too insulting.
Nah please don't feel that way. I blew up for a silly reason.
and then after that I was over it, till it turned into this big ass fiasco. So yeah don't feel that way bud.
Hey, don't make it sound like you were penalised! Haha
But yeah, forgives man.
I offer a trade, I send you a cuban cigar, you send me a real pic of Aman's mustache?
Mmm, but nah haha. Aman's Mustache is too fearsome. Plus. There is something you don't realise...
Aman is actually a WOman?
Something about his musta--
*gets carried away by his cameo in deadman walking
He doesn't actually have one? :p
He does, something else...
No, he really doesn't have one, he's told me in the past, he only has a beard.
Lies! Slander! Fakes! My mustache is eternal!
His Mustache is part of his beard, but yeah, that was the big reveal :P
though it isn't that connected to be honest (peach fuzz connecting it to the beard) so His Mustache is One and almighty still.
Lies! Slander! Evil!
Youre just trying to frame me since I beat you up today!
I'm not one of them am I? I try to be likable . . .
I'm new here, so I can't judge, but aside from some comments you made, you haven't especially annoyed me. :)
YES! I'm only slightly annoying =P, I'm pretty new too soo . . .
eh I am a dick, and I fly off the handle at people who don't deserve it.
Its just i have heard this argument so many times that I would think it is public knowledge what happened. Ignorance of the situation flares my nostrils.
Sorry. Sincerely. And Sorry to Aman who seems overly hurt by my comment.
Why would I be hurt? I insult Tanstaffl all the time (and beat him up as well. ;P)
Just don't want this site to go down the path of most sites, where discussion is liked at first, but gradually becomes really bad to discuss. (with people starting off with insults). Been to a site that ended up like that, and I don't want this site to end up like it.
Yeah haha, Aman smashes me through the hallway aha.
Its so much fun when you can bully people. ^_^
Yep, but I'm taller than you, shortstop ;)
I like the thought of a place where I can actually discuss things with people on the internet without it turning into a 'your momma' contest . . .
Aman wasn't overly insulted to be honest, he just kinda noted that as a debater you seemed like a 'dick' (what you just admitted to haha)
But yeah, Internet and all, forgives. Sorta.
Not all the time either. I am ignorant to a lot of things going on in which I make a biased opinion. Just to get my ass kicked in a debate, it hurts the feels.
So I said sorry. I don't wanna be that guy.
Perhaps too hard?
What does that mean ?!?!?
That the harder you try at something the less you succeed. It usually works when you comfortably relax and slide with it. Although that might just be with me. Hmm.... You get what I mean though?
I got it.
Oh! I thought you were implying that I already failed, as a strait A student, I don't like failing =P
Um, I was talking about your "likable" statement.
Yeah, it's like that guy on the site who pretended to be his younger brother basically asking, "do you lyke me????" And now I doubt that most members REALLY like him :P
It's more like general pity and sadness. Close enough, right?
Actually, Yes, exactly. It really is. (Not sarcasm, that actually is the best way you could put it)
Mmm..... Not really. I find slight annoyance at this. But hey I understand why.
And what was his name?
liuxess or something like that?
Wasn't it reapersboy?
Think Hugs is talking 'bout the troll.
The lelouch dude?
I knew it started with an "L" that's the name I was searching for and I thought you were talking about him because he claimed his little brother would get on when he screamed at everyone.
Oh right, that was during SOFLB, when he randomly joined in and said his brother took over his computer haha. What a jerk bag >:P
Jerk bag? Is that a mix of jerk and douche bag?
Lol I guess that's acceptable! I'd probably made up words or something of which have little or no real meaning. And they can get really strange.... :/
Do I really want to know?
When I say made up I'm not joking.
Itd be a collage of strange sounding words that have no meaning other than showing that I'm trying to show I'm angry at someone or whatever.
And maybe a few words that aren't normally used as insults.
Oh yeah, I've done that too haha. I started saying 'Jerk-Bag' on Aman in RL haha. I've got a couple others, but they float to my head on cue.
I've got a few I use commonly that people can understand. I use flip and flippin' a lot and sometimes fudge-lover. OuO
Yeah, I substitute fudge too haha. I also sometimes say dumb-butt or butt-hole (instead of saying 'ass') haha. Sorta like saying heck instead of hell.
Yeah. I say heck sometimes. The only word that I say which could be considered a curse word is crap. It's not that bad though. My chemistry teacher says it. And he's a great guy.
I know right? My classmates say stuff like the F word, but penalise me for saying 'Crap'
God it's so annoying -_-
Hypocrites. I can be one too sometimes although I try not too.
Weird that a topic on obamacare has turned into a discussion about cuss word alternatives. And I wasn't trying to derail the thread. Eh.
Meh, it's fine. In a thread as big as this I don't think we made too much trouble... (Though perhaps I should make a thread dedicated to cuss word alternatives tomorrow... Anywho, Gnight)
How did Obamacare turn into a conversation about cussing? :P
Um.....youd have to reread our conversation because I dont remember.
Easy Answer: This is CYS. This is normal here.
Boring/Long/Hard Answer: Since Aman tends to randomly derail threads to a different topic(for some reason this has happened less or maybe it's because nearly everybody does it now.) and caused a lot of randomness and insanity. Some of us starting doing the same thing and soon it's normal for a conversation about say... *walking dogs being turned into how necromancy would work as an economy in the modern world.*
*=Has not happened yet.
Sure it hasn't happened? lol
At least on this site as far as I know.
Aman didn't derail this one. Me and person up there ^ did.
I'm not Aman...
I'd like to keep this last bastion of internet reason intact, so lets edge away from the insults
yeah . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Didn't make a real mistake, since I never said that was the reason he was impeached :/
First of all, government should not be rich pricks, if people wanna campaign, it should be upheld by EVERYONE who thinks they're worth voting for, and it should come out of the pockets of the candidate and their supporters, not just a massive, faceless charity. The government should be paid REASONABLE amounts of money, not millions, and they should treat their jobs the way they're supposed to be treated. They are public servants, and it's about damn time they realized it.
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