When did we decide that intolerance and cruelty were okay, as long as they were directed at people who held beliefs we disagreed with?
When did we become just as vicious and mean-spirited as the people over whom we claim the moral high ground, on account of our so-called open-mindedness?
Yes, there are people in the world who are bigoted and close-minded, and yes, they often use their religion to justify their actions. Since when does that give us the right to call them names and persecute them?
I say I believe that all people have the right to decide for themselves what they think is right. That includes the people with whom I vehemently disagree. Yes, of course I believe that they are wrong, and I will do whatever I can to keep them from enforcing their belief system on others. But that means I have to refrain from forcing my beliefs on them, too.
No matter how much I hate organized religion, or fundamentalists, or anyone else, I have to respect their right to hold their opinions. Because that's what I say I believe in.
And so, of course, this is just my opinion. For what it's worth.
While I very much agree with the fact that Church and State should be as far removed as possible and that homosexuals should be able to get married and have all the rights anyone else has, you're going a little over the edge when you deem religion as if it is the bane of freedom. I completely understand where you're coming from - some sects believe gays shouldn't have the same rights as other people, as if they are second-class citizens. That IS ridiculous, unfair, unconstitional, and frankly against at least Christianity. But just because these sects are incorrect doesn't mean that churches receiving tax breaks are unfair. Many other non-profit organizations receive tax breaks as well as donations, whether from people or the government. Now this isn't the only context, but you are generalizing. Saying that ALL or MOST religions spread lies, manipulate government, etc. etc. is ignorant.
In fighting the enemy we must never come to resemble it. This is very true.
People should have the freedom to believe in whatever they want. However, this freedom does not extend into supressing other's freedom to live, their freedom to choose their sexuality, etc... ESPECIALLY if they do not belong to the same set of beliefs.
Also: to debate an issue we must not censor anything related to it. However, we must realise what is relevant and never generalise individuals into communities. Stereotypes must be avoided, as they are a propaganda tool designed to dehumanise and attract hate and contempt.
All individuals must be treated as such, based on their actions. The internet makes this much easier due to anonymity.
"In the Christian religion, gays are regarded as sinful. That's fucked up. Period."
That is a lie spread by the bible belt; the same people who think creationism is more plausible than evolution.
Are you going to believe them, JJJ? My entire family is christian, and they hold the same view I do about gays and evolution. Maybe not abortion, but 2/3 is pretty good.
Yeah, I saw a cartoon of God and Jesus.
Jesus: "I hear people are claiming evolution's rubbish"
God: "Aww, I worked ages on that."
Being a christian, I know TONS of the self-absorbed, "I am holier than thou" fuckers that call themselves christians. Thie prime example would be my religion teacher. She acts like she knows everything, and I think she hates me, because I always have an arguement for everything she says. I think i'm smarter than her, which is sad. She thinks it's our job to shove our religion in everyone's face, without having a clue what their's is all about.
I told her I think you have to know both sides of any arguement, you have to understand other religions to back up your own arguement.
And she disregarded EVERYTHING I said.
Christians forget about the part of "Don't judge others" and like to think they're God.
It just goes to show you, JJJ, that there's a lot of crap getting thrown across the battlefield, from both sides of the conflict. Those religious Christians who are blinded by dogma take the Bible all too literally. That's the problem. Orthodox Christians - for I can only speak for them - try to interpret the Bible as a riddle almost, and that there is no single way to understand the words. They have a meaning which we must all find for ourselves.
Oh, and what I really hate is how everyone wants to separate religion and science. Why? The alchemists, etc. of the Age of Enlightenment were almost always men of faith. They believed that science was a way to understand and prove the teachings of the faith. In other words, Faith is what, Science is how. And that's what I believe. I like to find connections between God's teachings and science's findings. Because frankly, we put faith in what a theory says to try and prove something.
A great example was from the movie A Beautiful Mind:
"Do you believe the universe is infinitely expanding?"
"Can you prove it?"
"Then you have faith in that it is correct."
It has been proven that the universe is expanding.
But HOW has it been proven? Through a theory, correct?
... A theory which has been proven by it's predictions. True it could possibly be disproved with future technology, but the observations today haven't done this.
Well, you have faith that this is the best possible answer for the question of how big our universe is.
I do not. It is the latest and most accurate answer so far.
Come on. Do you really think the scientific method would just stop working because people believe they know the whole truth? The whole point is that results are published openly and can be probed mercilessly. It works well in preventing hoaxes and makes sure only accurate, proven theories are allowed to survive. Otherwise, no advance, just stagnation.
YOU FORGOT HAPPY HANNUKAH AND KWANZAA!!
Anyway, it's sad how America, the [supposed] hub of diversity has so much bigotry. It makes no sense.
Since we're all technically African because that is our original ancestry (OR IS IT?!?!?), race is not an issue.
It's stupid considering the genetic and cultural differences. You can find about 25 accents in the british isles. That said, we all grow up in the same environment and are part of the same species, so any genetic differences are merely skin deep.
Calling ppl eartlings or humans is EXACTLY what we need to do. If you don't want something to happen, dont have a word for it. Don't have racially abusive words, dont distinguish between races, ppl growing up wont learn to be racist.
Once again, allow me to bore you with my Martian War story.
When we colonize Mars, after generations of great business, a bunch of xenophobic assholes decide that Mars is "manipulating Earth's economy." So they go on several protests and eventually gain the support of billions of Terrans (it's what they call the humans on Earth, because Terran, from Terra, sounds cooler than Earthling to them) and are against the Martians.
So here, as the author I'm showing how there can never be alliance unless there is a real enemy and threat. The humans finally resolve their racial and ethnic differences because racism has been dead for century and only appears in textbooks that it's time for a united earth, under the leadership of the UN, to fight the Martians.
From there I explain how the "planetary" tension between Terra and Mars grows until a war breaks out, but that's another story.
So basically I said that eventually we could very-well become just Earthlings or Terrans or Humans, but that it'll most likely come with the advent of an energetic space program. NOT NASA, but maybe like the International Space Endeavor.
Also, gem, as far as modern findings say, humans weren't around when Pangaea existed. Sorry.
Eh, it'll just go from racism to planetism.
And yeah, Earth's name is technically Terra. I use it whenever I can because
a) it makes you look smart
b) it sounds cool
c) it sounds very sci-fi
If you didnt know, The Moon is Luna and The Sun is Sol.