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Updating The Articles

8 years ago
This article is wildly out of date:
http://chooseyourstory.com/help/articles/article.aspx?ArticleId=34

You guys feel like writing the updated version together here?

Suggesting a minor edit to an article (1 point)
Suggesting an article to be removed (1 point)
Suggesting an article to be edited (1 point)
Helping to rewrite an article that was suggested to be edited (5+ points)

List of articles to be fixed:
Members to Seek Out
10 ways to making better games (To be compiled with others for one big one?)

List of articles to be removed:
Rosetail's Rules of Writing (WC)
Trophies
What Exactly is a ChooseYourStory.Com Story? (Though this one could just be updated if we really wanted)

What are EXP Points?

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A lot of them are wildly out of date. Or give objectively bad advice, or just generally poor quality. There's a reason I don't recommend newbies read through the article section anymore.

 

e:  Hahaha, that one is bad though. Yes newbies, tag everyone on that list.

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I mean, you can bring up the articles here and we can go through them.

Really I'd like to clean up that whole section, this is just the one I thought of first.

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Yeah, there're a few that give the inverse of what is generally considered good writing advice. I feel like whoever approved those didn't even read them.

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There will be point rewards for helping with this process as well, if that motivates anyone.

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Rosetail's Rules of Writing (WC)

This one has bothered me for awhile. This excerpt only should be enough to get it purged.

"5 Add adjectives, lots of them Description runs the world of your story. Have lots of adjectives in your story. The better you describe the scene, the better the reader can see it, and most likely have more fun reading your story."

But it's probably a good idea to remove any mention of WC in the help & info section other than big bold letters that say NOT ALLOWED anyway.

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Yeah, I noticed it too and agree it should just be purged.

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For an article that includes "Have proper grammar!", it has quite a few grammar mistakes...xD

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Couldn't you just assign people to rewrite/revise the articles? I'd be willing to help.

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Some of them are just stupid and a waste of space. There's too many as is, and it's no surprise new members don't try to read them. Information overload is a thing, and some are so bad that it's just embarrassing.

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"10 ways to make better storygames" seems to be a little unnecessary. It's pretty much basic writing advice and other advice to not embarrass yourself. Seeing how most newcomers don't even read it (proof: many, many storygames), it just adds to the daunting article list. I'm sure the same advice in the article has been repeated over and over by others on different articles or in forums anyway.

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"8 Steps to Writing an Epic". Yes, 3J may have written it, and I really like the information, but I think this should just be a general storygame writing article. The "Epic" part makes it seem like a huge thing and writers will be attracted to it and want to write an actual epic, and some of the steps involve a lot of pre-writing, which a new person (we're assuming newcomers are reading these) will probably just skim over... Then they see the part about 5-10 pages a day, and we know where that goes (Page 1: 100 words. Page 2: 10 words. Page 3: 20 words...).

The information in the article is awesome, but may not have the intended effect. Perhaps it and other storygame writing articles could all be incorporated into one article?

Other storygame writing articles can include: Captain Kiel's Rules of Writing, Character Creation, Creating Storygames: Not a Walk in the Park, Creation of a Good Story Plot, Demos and why people need to stop publishing them., Endmaster's Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing, Kiel's Guide to The Creative Process, Papa Spoye's tips on making a better conversation.. Plotting Multiple-Path Stories, Raven's Beginner Guide to Writing Styles, Rosetail's Rules of Writing (WC), Storygame Creating 101, Storywriting: How To Get Ideas, Storywriting: Writing and Editing Tips, The Importance of Perspective, Writing About Dystopia

...Damn, that looks really hard to the eyes...

Another idea is to make a short, sweet article about storygame writing in general that maybe should be at the very top of the articles, so newcomers can just find it quickly. Then, you have individual articles that go deeper into the different elements of the story and other things, so that at least newcomers could have some sort of place to start immediately without needing to read for an hour (which is about how long it took me to read those writing articles the first time) because most newcomers would start a storygame immediately after making an account even if they meant to just have saved files of other storygames.

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People just do not listen to the one about not posting demos >~<

 

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I agree completely with that. Perhaps that could be included in the general storygame writing article at the end:
"If the story of your game is not actually completed, and you don't plan on making a SERIES for it, don't publish it. Other people of the site do not like these 'demos,' and if you really want to write a well-rated story, then don't publish your storygames until they're completed."

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8 years ago

Yes, I agree with this.

Also add that series should generally not be made unless they're either 

1. More than 5(maybe) in length 

or/and

2. Can be a standalone storygame.

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3. You're Steve

Note: 1 and 2 must apply

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Haha. But yeah, some of the current articles should really be condensed into one.

Many of them do repeat some of the same stuff over and over.

I don't think End's should be lumped in with the rest though.

 

I haven't looked at articles in awhile, but I'll go take a look and see which ones should probably just be one big article.

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That's true... Many 13-year olds or something like that join this site, and they probably shouldn't read the content of that article unless they have to.

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Ah. No wonder so many newbies don't read articles.

It's a huge mess there...some stuff aren't in the right category..

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I was really wondering what that RPG one was doing. xD

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Exactly! It's supposed to go in scripting, right?

Edit: Anyways, switching back to phone now.

Will be unable to reply until later tonight, so. :P

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Yeah, probably should be shifted over.

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Also, "How to Create a Name in Your Game" and "On-Page Variable Tricks" both have how to create a name, so that's repeated. You probably could just get rid of "How to Create a Name in Your Game."

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To be honest, the "How to Create a Name in Your Game" seems to describe making a name better than the one on "On-Page Variable Tricks" and would be easier for newbs to learn.

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That's a good point. Maybe it should just be deleted from the latter then as to not create confusion on "which article has that big line of variable mumbo jumbo."

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Or the one Berka wrote can be edited so there could be less articles to confuse people.

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... Wait, so what about the general advice on the "On-Page Variable Tricks"? Could that some how be incorporated into the "How to Create a Name in Your Game"? The latter helped me more whenever I do on-page variable stuff, so I think that could be important, especially when you have "male" and "female" options in your game, and want to make all the pronouns on each page according to a gender variable.

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No, I mean, edit the article so it includes all the info about "How to Create a Name in Your Game", but everything else will still be there.

That way, there would be less articles, and the info would still be there.

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Yes! Okay. Yeah...
>_> I get it now...
You tryna trick me D:

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How did I try to trick you? o.o

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You worded it badly. Or maybe you cast a spell on me to make me hallucinate. ;-;

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I guess I did word that a bit strangely. Meh.

Sorry.

But anyways, you get what I'm saying now.

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Nope. It's the spell. I'm rereading this thread and yeah... mb... >,<

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Anyways, most of the articles about "How to Write A Story" and such basically repeat the same things, just with different wording and writing styles.

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The Trophy article also should probably be edited. Like it said in the article itself, trophy requirements could be curved due to inactive trophy-holders, but it doesn't really elaborate. For people who want a trophy, it comes off as vague. I don't know. That section in the article about getting trophies from people who have trophies just feels a little... iffy.

EDIT: Oh, wait. Bradin's already mentioned the trophy article.

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10 ways to making better games

Capitalization and grammar issues aside, this article has good tips, but could be re-formatted to relay this information to the reader better. I've also noticed that the tips could be more specific on why/how exactly they help, and could provide examples. Some of the tips could also be merged with other articles.

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Off to bed now but stick me on whatever list we're making, I have people randomly PMing me for feedback pretty often anyhow.

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I don't think any of those people are even active anymore. At least the one's on the "Users" list :P I can see why it needs updating.

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This article as well

http://chooseyourstory.com/help/articles/article.aspx?ArticleId=15

I'd feel better if it was updated with some...more recent games :P

 

Anyways, on the list, some must haves would be people like End, Killa, 3J(though he seems to have dropped off again?), Flesh(still goes on, I've seen him around), Mizal, Will, Steve, Bucky, Thara, Ogre, IAP, Ironpanther(?), Raven(?), SindriV(?), BradinDvorak(obviously for any scripting problem, he's probably the first person you should ask), and maybe Axiom?
I can't really think of anyone else, really.

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Poor Berka not being included, lol.

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OH! Berka. Sorry, Berks ;-;

I did not forget you, I promise. Just in the list >~<

And besides, you are really quiet.

I mean, we only had like...one conversation?

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You should add yourself to that list of what I assume to be notable members?  I mean, you certainly contributed plenty to the Draw My Attention threads, and you're pretty helpful when it comes to story advice for some of the new members that join.

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I'm still pretty new though. I haven't even been here a year, and besides that, it would feel a bit.. strange for me to suggest myself being added. At least to me. I'm a bit strange.

If adding newbies is ok, I think BigRonn77 has given some pretty good reviews on storygames and should probably be added to the list.

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I'm pretty new myself, but being somewhat new shouldn't disqualify you from something like this. You already read like all of the stories here, and you have basically made well more than enough contributions to be considered one of the helpful ones around here.

In my humble opinion, of course :P

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And me, then. >////<

And you've been here 3 years! Even if you were somewhat inactive during that time.

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Somewhat inactive? Pfft

I was completely inactive, actually. I'm very glad to have 'returned' however :D

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Just saying, the join date will make people take you more seriously :P

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I see...

But then again, I joined young :)

I most likely wouldn't have been able to last a year here back then. Thankfully, I did take those three years off, right? xD 

It's almost like reading Read's posts... 

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I remember seeing this when I was looking through people's profiles :D

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The article on trophies, barring the fact that it's kinda unnecessary given there's already a trophy dialog, could use some work. More pressing than the couple of typos, it doesn't even show the picture of each trophy, which would be a heck of a lot more helpful than a text description.

...should probably be gotten rid of.

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8 years ago
For now there doesn't seem to be a way to remove articles, so we should focus on modifying existing ones for now.

We'll likely just have to make all the bad ones blank, then fill them in with later accepted articles until they're all full again (I really would prefer we not have a lot of blank articles in the meanwhile though).

We can still keep a list of ones to get rid of.

Started a list.

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8 years ago
Captain Kiel's Rules of Writing, Character Creation, Creating Storygames: Not a Walk in the Park, Creation of a Good Story Plot, Demos and why people need to stop publishing them., Kiel's Guide to The Creative Process, Papa Spoye's tips on making a better conversation.. Plotting Multiple-Path Stories, Raven's Beginner Guide to Writing Styles, Rosetail's Rules of Writing (WC), Storygame Creating 101, Storywriting: How To Get Ideas, Storywriting: Writing and Editing Tips, The Importance of Perspective, Writing About Dystopia

So, I think Seto and I (maybe) agree that the above list could probably just be mashed into one general article. They could also be rewritten in-depth later. Obviously, the article content should be saved somewhere so the rewriter could review what's on their and update it.

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No way to remove them at all? Yeesh, alexp may not have thought that one through...

Modifying the articles is going to be difficult, they're all attached to their authors - removing one for not meeting quality standards is completely different from just going in an editing someone else's work.

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Actually we can change the author ( though I'm not sure if that unlinks them or if it's just a cosmetic change yet).

But I see now that wasn't actually your point lol.

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That whole section is so bad though, I'm conflicted.

:(

@alexp I summon thee from the darkness behind the stars, arise from your slumber and fix your site! 

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Can you move articles to different sections? RPG 101 should be under Advanced Editor.

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Yep. Done, thanks.

I'll make a post tomorrow about the point reward system for this.

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Oh hey, if you can move articles into sections, but not delete them, can you make a new section? Maybe call it "Don't Read These," or "Ready for Deletion," or perhaps a kinder, "Archived - Old" section? Then we could really clean house...

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Yeah, that'd be a good idea. Sadly no, it doesnt look like we can add sections.

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8 years ago

Suggesting a minor edit to an article:

What are EXP Points?

Remove how you will eventually be able to turn in points for merchandise, seeing how that is not going to actually happen. You could also add that alex and march don't log on much anymore in the FWW section. Also, in the duels section, it says it's the only way to lose points, but earlier in the article it said you could lose points by getting your storygame unpublished.

 

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I think this one actually needs to just be re-written or deleted. Maybe in one big super "Beginners look here" article where XP is briefly mentioned as the size of your e-peen that you can inflate by repeatedly clicking the screen.

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Regarding Zikara's Creative Title Page, the information within doesn't really match up with what we tell those who ask in the forums. Because of this, I've started a revision that uses a more CSS-oriented approach. These are some of the big changes I've made so far:

  • <font> and <body> tags are now <span> and <style> tags
  • Font size examples use px and %
  • Changing page title globally (using <style> tags) is described as possible
  • CYS image requirements are accurate
  • The <!-- Links --> comment is no longer actually commented out

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Looking forward to the finished version.

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Here's a bit of a simpler one. In Random Encounters/Events, a couple lines of code are invalid.

In the first block of the Basic section, at one point the := and = operators are switched (and the first line is outside the <pre>). Correction:

%RAND := 1D6 # using a six sided dice to gain a random variable
IF %RAND := 3 THEN # if the random variable is 3, 3 being the random encounter
%LASTPAGEID = $PAGEID # then remember the current page for future use
$DEST := @P30 # the destination is altered to go to the random encounter page, in this case P30

In the first block of the Advanced section, BEGIN and END are missing, and the variable needs to be repeated after AND. Correction:

IF $CHAPTERID = 2 THEN
BEGIN
%RAND := 2D50
IF $ITEMSTATE01 = 0 THEN
IF %RAND > 0 AND %RAND < 10 THEN
$DEST := @C3
IF $ITEMSTATE01 = 1 THEN
IF %RAND > 0 AND %RAND < 5 THEN
$DEST := @C3
END

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First part also needed a BEGIN and END statement as well.

I feel like it should be ELSE IF $ITEMSTATE01 = 1, but it doesn't actually change anything, so I don't think a change is required.

Anyway, change completed.

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Good to see these are still being chipped away at.

I'll be honest, I kind of lost motivation when it was pointed out articles can never be purged and rewritten from scratch. There's just no fixing them at this point, it's beyond what edits and tweaking can do.

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8 years ago
Yeah, that puts a pretty big damper on any real progress we can do.

Still, I see great potential with a plan of making an article that serves as a "All new people read this", which links to other, useful articles. Something like this:

http://chooseyourstory.com/help/articles/article.aspx?ArticleId=4058

But with more relevant articles. I mean, do you really need an article to explain what each category is about?

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An introductory article with a master list of recommendations would be pretty helpful, true.

I guess the question would be whether a new one could even be published though. I know Malkalack wrote an article recently and couldn't even get it submitted, the whole system there is pretty broken.