Right lads, fun news, apparently, big evangelist Billy Graham died. Don't know how, hopefully via AIDS, it didn't say. To those of you who don't remember or didn't exist when he was doing big shit, Graham was one of those big time televangelists. Apparently, he was sixth richest at around $25,000,000, because the Bible constantly reiterated how wealth is important to get to heaven. Dude was anti-segregation and was friends with Martin Luther King Jr, which was nice.
He also talked with Nixon about how America is ran by the Jews and their synagogue of Satan, was an enemy of feminism in the 1970s, when it was really getting uppity, thought that women belonged in the kitchen, and supported "pray the gay away" camps, calling homosexuality "detestable" and "a sinister form of perversion". Really, he was a scumfuck.
But best of all, he came up with the Billy Graham Rule, which was where he'd never be left alone with a woman other than his wife. Because interacting with a woman as anything more than an object you can barely keep from fucking is impossible, and woman aren't any roles that would cause issue there. I mean, woman doctors? Ha! No, they're housewives.
I notice Mizal got especially upset about this, because apparently, he fought racism! Just like, you know, Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church, but apparently that comparison is mean, and Steve's a meanie for insulting such a great man when he died. Never mind, though, this is the Steve Hour, and Steve's celebrating another dead enemy. Huzzah, brothers!
"Yes yes I knew it would be impossible to mention somebody famous dying without Steve been Steve.
99 years of a life dedicated to other people and affecting millions can absolutely be summed up in a couple of paragraphs by a twisted little troll getting his little thrills in hating all the things."
We also got you whining that "Martin Luther King Jr and Queen Elizabeth liked him, so that excuses his sexism, antisemitism, homophobia and unrepentant hypocrisy", and some other bitching about Robbin Wililams being dead making you sad, or something. I don't know, it was all a strange blur followed from your earlier strange retardations in the chat, so I assume this is all you and your first time getting shitfaced for reasons you never explained.
Didn't leave it out, just didn't include it. You opened with praising a hypocritical, homophobic, sexist anti-semite, and I yelled at you for it, as I'm prone to do. Your defense was "Oh, people like him, so him being fucking awful is coo!", which was, admittedly disappointing, so I made a thread to proselytize on why the man was a shitty person, because I appreciate irony.
Not lonely, anyhow, actually just ended an hour long conversation with my mate as I went to book plane tickets, which is harder than expected and cost me lots of money. Thanks for caring, though, but don't worry, making threads to cause fights isn't particularly beyond what I naturally do.
What sort of imbecile thinks "Don't be alone with an unrelated woman," equals "Women are objects, and I have no self-control"?
It's an easy way to avoid false rape accusations and damage to your reputation.
Yes, cut out your entire interaction with members of the opposite sex so there's no rumors. Of course, then you'll have to do the same with men, in case you're gay, and that's cool. The man tried to refuse a meeting with fucking Hillary Clinton over this, he wasn't doing that because he thought she was going to cry rape.
Hey, I'd probably use a lamer excuse than that to avoid meeting her.
He still met with her. Good response, though, totally defended your point.
Honestly I kept thinking he died years ago.
I kind of assumed the only way he was going out was Darth Vader lobbing him down a reactor
Nobody knows whether he's going to heaven or hell. It's God's job to judge, not ours.
But otherwise, this dude seemed like a nut.
Nah, I think I'm going to judge him. See, judging people is how society works, and how we knew it was probably good to put child rapists in jail.
I mean judging by like saying whether they're going to go to heaven or hell. Otherwise judge a person all you want lmfao
even though you technically shouldnt... according to the bible (but nobodys perfect)
Yeah, I don't follow the Bible, so I definitely should judge people, and heaven or hell aren't real, so that just kind of leaves me to judge everyone.
I thought he had already passed away.
Now, he is in eternal paridice along with a crazy amount of people who became Christians due to him either directly or indirectly.
For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. -- Philippians 1:21
I'd say the odds are actually highly against him. I mean, he's almost definitely rotting in the ground, having only left a stain on this earth in his life. However, if you want to add the very scant chance that religion is right, that God is far, far more likely not to be the Christian God than it is just by probability, so with that, he's probably being brutally tortured for heresy and sending so many souls down an evil path. But probably just rotting.
Seriously, is that the card you're pulling? "He's dead, so now you can't be mad at him for being a homophobic, antisemitic, sexist, hypocritical piece of shit, because when someone terrible dies, they're no longer terrible! It's mean to insult dead people, even if they're cunts!"
subtext isn't real. we've all been listening to you bitching about how colossal meanies we are to billy "what watergate" graham's tortured ghost
Him being dead is exactly why you're bitching. It's why you're comparing it to yelling at a funeral, it's why you said "you just have to be the angry ranting drunk on all occasions even when it means crashing funerals to do it lol", it's the reason you're bitching about all this and keep bringing up him being dead like that means they're less of a piece of shit.
What exactly is your point, if not that? You haven't disagreed that he was a hypocritical, antisemitic, sexist, homophobe, so it's not like you disagree with my points.
Oh sorry, missed your other point, that Queen Elizabeth liked him, because a fallacious argument from authority, about a fucking queen of all people, because apparently being born to a certain bloodline makes you good at determining whether someone's good or not. Killer arguments, Miz.
He wrote a letter to Nixon suggesting that they bomb North Vietnam's dikes to destroy their economy, which would have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.
This is news to me, actually. Fascinating.
Also, he was caught saying antisemitic shit about driving the Jews out of power on the fucking Nixon tapes. Talk about being yoked with sinners
Had that one with "Synagogue of Satan". But remember, Klam, he's dead, so you can't insult him because you don't agree with his anti-semitism, homophobia, sexism, zealotry or his hypocrisy, or then YOU'D be like the Westboro Baptists.
Fuck me, this is a long as shit post. Seems more suited to like Sent or me than Miz. Anyhow, all it really says is that he was effective at what he did which, yeah, he was. Of course, the idea that he did a lot of great shit is fucking laughable. I mean, there's frequent mention that he did such good in his life, but at the very best, he spread Christianity, which I think is a stupid thing, but is so far from being this great, grand gesture that it's ridiculous.
Apparently, it's being held up that him being a liar and a hypocrite, praising Jews in public while secretly being opposed to them is some sort of good thing, because apparently him pretending to like Jews while hating them once means he definitely didn't just pretend to start liking them when he was found out.
In regards to him being sincere, that's an interesting question, because the man was a multimillionaire who made his fortune preaching the Word of God, which includes "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." That alone should raise some serious questions about his sincerity. This is joined by the fact he advocated military action in Vietnam, which sure as hell goes against the pacifistic Christian ideology. We're either to think he was lying, or that he was willfully ignorant of the word he preached, focusing. Either way, it spits in the face of the man's life goal of spreading an ideology he didn't follow, ignorant or not.
There's also some talk about how he brought people together, which is also absurd. He demonized gays for their homosexuality, which Mizal can sure push aside with indifference because it doesn't concern her in the slightest, but that's a serious fucking slight against the man.
Of course, fuck the gays, they're not a big enough part of the population, so let's consider how he turned people against each other in the Cold War, advocating increasing militarism in the Vietnam War. He advocated brutal military strikes to hit the Vietnamese economy that would've caused vast numbers of civilians to die. So when a man advocates potentially starting WWIII, hating Jews and Gays in his country and furthering the divides of the Cold War, it shows a pretty ignorant, insular worldview to think he was this great guy who ended divide because your work mates and friends also all liked him.
So yeah, an antisemtic, sexist, homophobic, hypocritical, war-mongering scumbag who spread a washed down ideology he didn't follow. But don't worry, he was a good orator and left people with a funny feeling in their cockles, so he's the kind of person who can be praised despite his shittiness, because it doesn't particularly effect you.
Pacifism is not a fundamental doctrine of Christianity.
As for "eye of a needle."
"And again I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
King James Version
No, it is. I mean, Old Testament's fairly "KILL EVERYTHING!", but the New Testament had Jesus set down some really, really pacifistic ideas. Here, I've a quote:
"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."
I mean, not only does that say "Don't fight back", it literally says "Fuck the old law, don't fight".
In regard to the quote, you've made it bigger so it expands into a whole "God's great, guys" bit, but what's your point? The message is clear. What you've added changes nothing, but instead, just leads onto the last bit, which again, is anti-wealth:
"Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us? Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife[e] or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first."
So yeah, then it continues as Jesus praises leaving material wealth behind to follow Jesus. And... well, and you family, but fuck it, the point being, wealth is bad, abandon it, follow Jesus."
Since this got bumped, I’m taking this opportunity.
So if Billy Graham is just rotting in the ground then I guess…
Heaven really is a place on Earth.