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The Fury of the Forest

For Endmaster's Crisis contest.

An ancient evil has been awakened...

Honor Among Thieves

unpublished

This entire thread is proof that literacy allows him to do just that, from the comfort of a dank basement strewn with crusty socks, far from any reality illuminating ray of sun. I've now read every one of his posts, and I know it's overused to tell people to touch grass, but rarely have I seen such a desperate case as this.

Modern hybrid: Deformed ponies that talk and cause men to have powerful delusions.

Actually no, if I'd wanted to make the "canned argument" I'd have pointed out that widespread agriculture is disruptive to habitats and kills billions of animals as well, vegans always hate that as it shows their bias. I admit I didn't read this entire thread, because I mean look at it. Other people seem to have replying to the rest of it well in hand and I don't feel qualified to try and pick apart someone else's religious beliefs about cartoons and movies or how they're interpreting the Bible. I DID read the authors last post though and he's complaining about factory farms (wow holy crap, do you mean.... they're bad???) but also saying with absolute certainty that ancient tribal populations, while existing in the most natural way humans ever lived unavoidably felt "intense guilt" just for being created to need protein. The point about male animals is that it makes sense as a factor for ancient herders and also for how people hunted, I'm not trying to argue about modern practices, they are just another example of the exploitation inherent to capitalism. But the idea someone would look at their child with their muscles failing and their belly bloated out from lack of protein and feel automatic, unavoidable, INTENSE GUILT for feeding them is insane and out of touch Westernized thinking. Going a step further and presenting that as a Catch 22 designed by God Himself is really something else. Hinging the guilt or non guilt of the whole world and every human in history on their access to artificial supplements that haven't even existed a century. It makes even less sense than the writing thing. I have no problem with vegetarians or vegans who make a personal ethical choice, but it's a diet with a lot of privilege layered on and trying to push it on everyone else by guilt or any other means is just arrogance. My aunt was a nutritionist for 16 years, she talked to a lot of vegans, it's literally not a viable diet outside of a modern, wealthy, Westernized country and even then it really can't be maintained in a healthy way. They need pills to live and most of them are mentally ill. (Vegetarians aren't so bad in health but vegans hate them since they also need the factory farm boogeyman and just create more demands for affordable eggs and dairy.) But in other countries it's not intense guilt they're feeling but intense malnutrition. "People need a diverse diet to ensure adequate micronutrient intake if they don’t consume fortified, processed foods. Micronutrient-rich foods include fruit and vegetables, meat and dairy, pulses, seafood, nuts and seeds. In contrast, cereal, root, and tuber commodities tend to be energy-dense but are micronutrient-poor." "Why is micronutrient deficiency more prominent among people of lower incomes? Since cereals tend to be less expensive than other food commodities, poorer households tend to have a more monotonous and energy-dense diet that is lacking in the dietary diversity required to meet micronutrient requirements. In contrast, richer households are more able to afford a diverse range of micronutrient-rich foods to supplement staple food items." This isn't revolutionary information, it's all basic stuff, you can see that these diets kill. https://ourworldindata.org/micronutrient-deficiency And there was more in this in the boiling rice thread, the "guilt free" Jesus approved grain based societies are literally watching their stunted children succumb to all kinds of conditions anyone here would feel only horror to see, that would've been the norm for every non-modern society without animal protein, and are avoidable in first world societies only because of fortifications and supplements and unprecedented cheap and easy access to meat (even if it apparently only comes in the shape of chicken nuggets around here.) If vegetarians really wanted to change the world and improve animal welfare they should focus more on economic equality and less on shaming people and pointing at them going guilt guilt GUILT for the literal survival act of getting nutrients the only way they can. Nobody likes factory farms and there's no need to keep repeating that they are bad, but in the countries that are set up that way they just happen to be the current only way you can feed billions of impoverished people more than just a starvation diet of corn and rice.

I have been inspired by this thread to offer to cook for my family tonight.

I thought what story B tried to do was more ambitious and interesting, but I'm going to have to vote for story A. Story A was entertaining and just got more and more ridiculous after a normal seeming start. While story B tried to be serious and dark but it was too glaring an issue for me that there are a thousand ways to tell time has passed outside of a person asking their parents, and I don't really like the casualness of suicide, nobody would ever die in any other way if people were as quick about it as they are in stories here. But I agree with what somebody else said, one as the beginning of a longer story where they began to investigate and uncover things instead of just jumping off a roof because that's the word count might be interesting.

If it's wrong to kill animals for food, why did God base us on violent omnivorous chimps instead of multicolored ponies? Harvesting a cow provides a lot of absolutely crucial products beyond just meat, and the milk and eggs you might alternately rely on only come from half the species. If animals are naturally arranging themselves into group of one male to multiple females, what's supposed to be done with all the excess males who aren't passing on their genes and whose existence strains the food supply? You can't even survive without animal protein unless you are using artifical supplements, why would God create humans this way and then attach spiritual judgement to basic survival?

I would've said I don't cook, but this thread has made me realize I'm very accomplished in the kitchen. I give myself a 4 or maybe even a 5. I don't cook often but I make a spaghetti dish with Italian sausage and zucchini, or baked potatoes with mushrooms and spinach if I really feel like it. I've been able to bake brownies from a mix since I was 8. Day to day I don't sit down for meals often but I snack constantly, veggies with hummus or different dips, popcorn, almonds, string cheese, turkey or ham with crackers. I boil eggs and make oatmeal sometimes so indeed, basically a goddess of the kitchen. Some of you really need to take better care of your bodies, they teach what a food group is in the 2nd grade.

I'll join.

She doesn't do this weird roleplaying thing with the fonts, so probably.

So far I've gotten feedback from Darius Conwright and MiltonManThing, which I appreciate. I just would like to request that whichever one of you grease stains gave me a 1/8 nut up and give an actual reason why already.