Non-threaded

Forums » The Lounge » Read Thread

A place to sit back, hang out, and make monkey noises about anything you'd like.

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

I just wanted to do a little poll. Are you a supporter of one of the following

 

A. Democracy

B. Communism

C. Fascism

D. Marxism

E. Stalinism

F. Monarchic 

G. Republic

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

Democracy I suppose, but communism really isn't in the same group as democracy, fascism, monarchic, or republic. Communism is in the same group as capitalism and mercantilism.

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

Actually, Marx specifically outlined Communism as a political system in his writings. It's what happens after the Eclectic merges the upper and lower classes into a single unified class and government "dissolves". The reason Stalin, Mao, Jong, and other dictators exist in a Communist system is because of a stage of Communism  that's called the "dictatorship of the proletariat", where a leader oversees the forced relocation of property untill he sees the people are ready to rule without a government (which of course they're never going to say).

What you're thinking of is Socialism, which would in fact be with Capitalism as an economic system.

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

A and G

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

Curse you, I'm tired! :P

 

Now, don't be pointing out my mistakes :D

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

A democracy and republic are different. Democracy is literally just where everybody votes over everything, which only works in small communities. A Republic is sometimes known as a "representative democracy", but they're actually different political systems.

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

Stalinism? I can imagine what it is, but I'm not quite familiar with the term. Did you make it up? (also, it's a monarchy, not a monarchic. As far as I know, that's not how it's used in any form.)

I favor a Republic, but not like what we have in the US. We do elect representatives, but no electoral college... that's kind of just overkill.

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

Stalin's version of communism during WWII. Basicly a dictatorship

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

Then why not just call it a dictatorship? No, I think there's something more to it than an autocratic system.

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

Hmm...

What's the difference between Communism and Marxism? I'm to tired to go look it up. (yes I'm being lazy, deal with it.)

B/D, G, F

You forgot despotism too. 

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

It's the same thing as a dictatorship. It's where a single entity holds absolute power. Unless of course it's an oligarchy (which deserves it's own branch), but those are the only two that fit in despotism.

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

Isn't communism in the same range as democracy but without the voting for a leader, just projects to help the community/nation?

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

Nope. In a democracy everybody has equal voice, but they're also all free to do as they please. In a communist nation everybody's equal, but they have to act for the public good rather than having the freedom to work for themselves. They're similar (assuming we're discussing true communism, not the DotP) but not the same. Like a shirt is not similar to a sweater.

Edit: Well, I suppose they don't HAVE to help the common good, but in pure communism it's assumed everyone has a moral epiphany and become altruists. The main difference lies in the government itself. In Democracy, we vote for a government, in Communism, there is no government.

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

Ah okay, that makes more sense. 

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago
You forgot Anarchy and Libertarianism

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

Boom, anarchy's the word.

(I'd rather choose democracy/communism types.)

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

Stalinist monarchy! 

Yeah definitely not. Somehow it just sounded like the most amusing thing to argue for as long as no one is actually going to be subjected to the living hell that would be.

Stalinism would presumably include but not be limited to intense propaganda campaigns, fast industrialization with a focus on heavy industry and munitions, large-scale population transfers based often on ethnic paranoia, an elaborate system of prison camps and political terror, strict censorship, and a well-developed official patriotism pervasive in art and culture. And periodic political purges based around show trials and fabricated crimes. Oh, and manmade famines, concealed mass executions, etc.

The options on the poll don't seem very... balanced. What about other possibilities? What about the shades within them (i.e. a constitutional monarchy vs. an absolute monarchy)? And how many people are going to honestly vote for a Stalinist system knowing what we know now about what he did?

Also, poor Prokofiev. His funeral was hardly noticed because he was unlucky enough to die the same day as Stalin.

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

hehehe... Stalin was a boss.

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

"Also, poor Prokofiev. His funeral was hardly noticed because he was unlucky enough to die the same day as Stalin."

lol Stanlism at it's most powerful.

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

I'd say the making his audience clap for 45 minutes because they knew the first one to sit would die would be the most powerful :P That's like saying Micheal Jackson was a Stalinist because we overlooked the Tuskeegee Airman who died at the same time haha.

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

Wow, that's crazy if that actually happened. How did the applause end?

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

Eventually Stalin just said "This is rediculous, sit down". From then on they only had to clap for ten minutes (still crazy).

A Very Muched Winged Discussion About Politics

12 years ago

The endurance of happiness test.