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Today is Memorial Day in the USA to remember those who have made the ultimate sacrifice while serving this nation. Coming from a family with a significant military history, I cannot even fathom the feeling of loss if I lost a loved one. To anyone here who has felt that loss, I hope you can find peace with it.

I hope all of you treat this day as simply not a day off of work, but it would instead be a day where we remember men and women who no longer have the gift of life.

is it ok if i only honor people who fought in WW2? i feel like containment and imperialism isn't worth honoring.

"Yes, World War II, the only good war the US ever fought," Steve said sarcastically to the stupid man.

fuck off with that b8 bruh.

OK, why don't the US soldiers who died fighting in say, WW1 undeserving of honoring?

Yeah, what about the Civil War? We shot almost twice as many racist bastards in that one!

Containment of a poisonous ideology is well worth honoring.  

go back to licking boots and losing wars to vietnamese farmers.

jep's English, not American.

"If the U.S. monopoly capitalist groups persist in pushing their policies of aggression and war, the day is bound to come when the people of the whole world will hang them. The same fate awaits the accomplices of the United States."

- Mao Zedong

I can type quotes too, you know. 

"Better dead than red."

-A smart man

Oh look, Fazz is quoting the biggest mass murderor in human history. Well done, you irredeemable shit head.

BUT THE PHILOSOPHY THOUGH. HE'S SO RIGHTEOUS FOR REARRANGING THE ANCIENT SOCIAL SYSTEMS OF CHINA AND GIVING THE PEOPLE SOMETHING TO BELIEVE IN! It couldn't POSSIBLY have been done without threatening businesses into existence, creating quickly built, haphazard industry with no standards for the workers, and sending 8 million people to the great Means of Production in the sky.

60 Million.

600 trillion.

No, I was right, it was 60 million.

right, i was getting the numbers mixed up with Joespeh Il Sung. my neck.

I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, but you're a Muslim Commie, but I don't feel much need to listen to a literal walking contradiction who doesn't understand the ideology he spouts.

Nonsense, Juche is within the very blood of every worker. It is an inescapable reality.

I feel I'm only now realizing you're probably a troll, seeing as you're a Stalin and Mao supporting modern day Communist who thinks the only good US war was WWII and being an actual Muslim despite what Marx said about religion and what both Stalin and Mao would've done to you.

you kind of remind me of a leftcom.

At least I'm not a hypocrite with contradicting beliefs.

I agree with Steve here. There's no logical way to fit your specific sets of ideologies together. To put it simply, you're claiming to be a highly religious person whose political beliefs include being blatantly anti-religion. Also, the USA caused the USSR to not be able to sweep into Japan during WW2 which is a very good thing considering the situations in Germany (especially your horrible east side) in comparison to Japan.

Anyway Fazz, the American Civil War included beating the bourgeoisie slave owners, the Revolutionary War was anything but pro-imperialist, and the Korean War was to stop the aggression into a nation that was not the belligerent (and NK has amongst the worst nations to live in still today while SK is great to live in).

Also, you had a war or two against Muslim slavers that no one ever seems to mention.

Iraq was a disaster, but at least we sort of tried to free the oppressed masses. Afghanistan was one that fortunately turned out better. There isn't a large presence of a rouge terrorist semi-nation committing war crimes and jihad against all including young girls.

Was referring to the Barbary wars, against literal Muslim slavers who kidnapped US sailors and enslaved them. 

Oh, those were morally good ones. Even Fazz may support those, but he won't since he's a troll.

And the umha bond he has with his fellow Muslims is stronger than any other bond ever, so he'll probably support the muzzies here. If he'll support a dude after 60 million murdered, a few slavers aren't anything.

Those sailors are like the kulaks; they deserved worse.

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It brings me great joy to know that your ideology is dying as capitalism reigns supreme.

Would you describe yourself as an Idealist?

If not, congrats, you agree with me that communism is inevitable.

Would you describe yourself as a realist?

If so, congrats, you agree with me that communism has failed.

Historically, all reactionary forces on the verge of extinction invariably conduct a last desperate struggle against the revolutionary forces, and some revolutionaries are apt to be deluded for a time by this phenomenon of outward strength but inner weakness failing to grasp the essential fact that the enemy is nearing extinction while they themselves are approaching victory.

Mao Zedong

"They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!" 

John Sedgwick

Hmmm... it seems saying something doesn't make it true.

“To read too many books is harmful.” - Mao Zedong

Mao died the dictator of a half-murdered people, attempting to build an independant commune and establishing the sleaziest, burgeosie-enslaved, capitalist police state that's ever been. What the fuck kind of bizarre victory conditions do you think he met?

It's like the Doomsday Prophets who constantly say "It's coming! You better believe it's coming!" forever.

That's not a good analogy. The world's actually going to end someday.

And when it does, there will be no mankind and hence no capitalism, only plants and animals! And as we all know, plants are communist! VICTORY!

Nonsense. Everyone knows that fruit-bearing plants enslave the sun for chemical labor and sell their product to animals and fungi for a reproductive profit!

Comrade Lysenko will have none of that shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

To address Steve wibn and sent in one post:

I'm not a Maoist because I don't believe all of Mao's ideas, for instance the Cultural Revolution, could or should be applied in every case of every proletariat revolution. However, I do wish to uphold Maoist thought, I do support most of Mao's actions, and I do admire Mao, the Red Book is a great inspirational text and I wish I could've met Mao in my lifetime.

Sent, your main problem is that you're attributing Deng's revisionism to Mao for some reason. Mao is not responsible for China in it's current state. He transformed the backwards, semi-fedual China into an industrial and economic powerhouse, and made great strides and progress in many things, not to mention he founded an entire branch of Marxism within his lifetime. I encourage you to watch this in it's entirety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feRXFvdzCFs (or at least peruse the description)

Counter-revolutionary texts are counter-revolutionary, yes (keep in mind this was during the Cultural Revolution, an attempt to block out the revisionism and counter-revolutionary forces Mao believed were infiltrating the general populace's thoughts. I do generally believe the Revolution was necessary in China. What's ironic is that it sought to keep China from degenerating to the revisionary capitalist self it is today, the self that you all seem to be attributing to Mao for some reason)

Mao was right steve, whether you want to admit it or not (:

The man is the single greatest mass murderer in human history. Does human life mean just that little to you?

LITERALLY TRILLIONS OF KULAKS

okay but for real though...

This, this, this, and what other communists have said, as well as how people treat similar figure to Mao i.e. Stalin, have convinced me that figure may be exaggerated. 

The criticism in your only unbiased source is that the claim was overexaggerated at 100 million, with 60-70 being more realistic. 60 million still makes him the greatest mass murderer in history, and that's the figure I've been using.

So the 60 million, 30 million, 8 million, aren't biased though?

30 million and 8 million would be biased, yeah. It's 60-70 million.

I am surprised you were able to determine that

Sources:

Chinese History:
http://countrystudies.us/china/
History: The Definitive and Visual Guide, DK Publishing

Industry Growth:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journa...

GDP Rate:
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/N...

Life Improvements Under Mao:
https://www.amazon.com/Second-Billion...

More on Chinese Population Under Mao:
http://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=2426

Population and Food Growth Under Mao:
https://books.google.com/books/about/...

Mao Paved The Way For Economic Growth:
https://www.amazon.com/Deng-Xiaoping-...

Great Leap Forward Improved Food and Water and Served The People Rather Than Capitalsits:
http://www.fastonline.org/CD3WD_40/JF...

Agriculture, Industry, and Oil Grew During The Great Leap Forward: 
https://www.amazon.com/China-Quality-...

List of Famines In China:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...

Great Leap Forward Famine Figures Are Untrustworthy and Exaggerated: 
https://monthlyreview.org/commentary/... 

Great Leap Forward Helped Establish Socialism:
https://kasamaarchive.org/2009/01/08/...

Worker Ownership:
http://thisiscommunism.org/pdf/CultRe...

Worker management and rotational managment:
https://www.amazon.com/Chinas-industr...

Science Made Available To The People:
https://books.google.com/books/about/...

Education During The Cultural Revolution:
http://busin.biz/library/china/The%20...

Culture and Arts During Maoist Era:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10...

More on Chinese Women's Liberation Under Mao:
https://kasamaarchive.org/2008/12/23/...

Modern Chinese Employment:
http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/publ...

Foreign Capital Plays a Major Role In The Modern Chinese Economy:
http://unctad.org/en/docs/wir2002_en.pdf

China Relies Too Much on Foreign Exports:
http://www.nber.org/papers/w12249.pdf

Workers In Terrible Conditions:
https://books.google.com/books?id=smL...

Jobs In China Are Very Dangerous and Exploitative:
http://www.clb.org.hk/sites/default/f...

Most Manufacturing Done By Migrants:
https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/conte...

Massive Wealth Inequality:
https://www.adb.org/documents/adb-ann...

More on China's "Capitalist Miracle":
https://www.solidarity-us.org/node/1940

Human Development Trends From 1970-2010:
http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/fil...
 

all of this is biased so quickly.

In school we learned there was a method for this, that began with actually opening the articles.

You remind me of trump, labelling everything that doesn't go his way as fake news.

Alright, let's go through this. Interesting though you note that the revolution was to stop China becomes what it is today, without realizing it seems that means Zedong failed.

1. Massive portal, clarify what you're citing.

2. Nothing to do with population killed.

3. Nothing to do with population killed.

4. You've cited a book link, that's not evidence. What evidence does the book use? Plus, I can't read it, to be honest."To read too many books is harmful".

5. You've cited a book link, that's not evidence. What evidence does the book use?

6. The United Nations' sources don't agree with what you're saying.

7. You've cited a book link, that's not evidence. What evidence does the book use?

8. Nothing in there to support your claims.

9. What evidence does the book use?

10. Not sure what your point is here, as it agrees with me.

11. Already cited, already shown as heavily biased due to the fact it's a Communist paper.

12. Nothing to do with what we're talking about.

13. A literal Communist paper so heavily biased, and has no evidence.

14. What evidence does the book have?

15. What evidence does the book have?

16. Broken link, which instantly proves to me you're not looking at the evidence.

17. Agrees with me.

18. Nothing to do with what we're talking about.

19. Nothing to do with what we're talking about.

20. Nothing to do with what we're talking about.

21. Nothing to do with what we're talking about.

22. Nothing to do with what we're talking about.

23. Nothing.

24. Nada.

25. Zip.

26. Fuck off, you haven't read these links if you haven't seen they're irrelevant.

27. Irrelevant again.

28. This shows HDI has continuously risen and there's no visible increase in that rate caused by Mao.

So really, it's clear that you're the one not looking at the evidence, such as the fact that half your sources show the collapse of your ideology in China, which let's be honest, we already knew since you cower at half my points and don't seem to understand a word you're saying.

when it comes down to it, if you aren't going to be giving my sources a chance simply because they have the word "communist" in it then we will forever be at an impasse.

i would appreciate it much more if you actually addressed their message and point out to me their specific biases and flaws as opposed to just declaring it fake news because socialists are automatically biased!!

by that logic why trust boujee sources like the Black book of Communism? is that not biased?

I gave them a chance. The Socialist Monthly Review makes grandiose claims that Western accounts are wrong without any citations or evidence for this and then changes the subject to focus on the economic benefits of these actions without going back to the death count. "ThisIsCommunism" uses Mao's government claiming to be non-violent as evidence they're not while ignoring all the evidence that critics were killed and imprisoned, and also blames many violent actions by the Communists as being black flag works by Capitalists without a shred of evidence. It says the first-hand accounts of violence are all just distorted people writing lies, again without evidence.

I don't trust the Black Book of Communism. It's claims that Mao killed over 100 million people are biased, and I agree with his critics that it's closer to the 60-70 million range.

It's "not everything", so all of the bad things can be safely ignored.

So I must go full Maoist to defend Mao?

No, a Mao defender would have to like 70% of Mao's shit. But most people believe his actions were 50% effective and 50% shit. 60 million people is pretty shit. 8 million people is still incredibly shit. 3 million people is still MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. None of the estimations here make Mao a good person at all.

The dude also never washed his junk or brushed his teeth either.

okay none of this is satire by the way, unlike my previous posts.

>There's no logical way to fit your specific sets of ideologies together. To put it simply, you're claiming to be a highly religious person

There was a time in which I was highly religious, now I'm not really practicing, but I'm still religious, and I'd still die for my god. I'm not sure if that's 'highly religious'.

>include being blatantly anti-religion

Fauerbach the Encylcopaedists were right.

>the American Civil War included beating the bourgeoisie slave owners

I like divided bourgeois more than unified bourgeois. Now they can oppress the masses through wave slavery together.

>Korean War was to stop the aggression into a nation that was not the belligerent

Naw, it was about containing communism and America should've not involved itself with it.

>and NK has amongst the worst nations to live in still today while SK is great to live in

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Anyway, don't take the Juche stuff seriously. I'm not pro-Juche, I'm pro-Marxist-Leninist with Maoist tendencies.

Mao, Lenin and Marx, all staunch anti-religious figures who supported the growth of the Church.

> I'd still die for my god. I'm not sure if that's 'highly religious'.

If you're unsure whether that's highly religious or not I worry for you. 

>I like divided bourgeois more than unified bourgeois. Now they can oppress the masses through wave slavery together.

Great to know that you wanted the South to remain independent and to continue practicing chattel slavery, which regardless on your thoughts of capitalism, is far worse. 

>Naw, it was about containing communism and America should've not involved itself with it.

I'm quite glad they did, as I might not be alive if America had not intervened. North Korea invaded first and America stepped in to help their ally. Simple as that. 

>and NK has amongst the worst nations to live in still today while SK is great to live in

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I hope you're not trying to argue this point, because I've lived in South Korea for a while, and while it's not heaven on earth it's decent. 

North Korea, meanwhile, is one of the poorest countries on the planet and has no freedom of expression to speak of. 

@Steve

No but Marx's successors weren't about killing people with religious beliefs. Rather Lenin talked about incorporating them within the Party

Yes Coins I don't like slavery.

The 'thinkingemoji' was because, although I'm not sure I 100% believe in it, many communists (not even pro-Juche ones) I've spoken to talk about how we don't really know 100% the state of North Korea due to how isolated it is. For all we know, all of it's faults are simply exaggerations crafted by the bourgeoisie to keep people from supporting it against U.S. aggression.

I do support North Korea in the face of U.S. aggression, just as I'd support Syria or Afghanistan any other country.

So even though Marx, Mao and Lenin were all very clear in their anti-religious base, and by your religion they're burning in hell forever, you're just going to ignore that. Good. 

Edit: Worth nothing that Mao was quite imperialistic, as we can see in his support of revolutionaries to expand his power in Vietnam.

If you don't like slavery what's with this supporting a "divided bourgeois" bs? 

And I'm sure all those defectors are just lying too. 

The Korean War wasn't US aggression, North Korea invaded South Korea first. Why is that so hard to understand?  

In response to wibn's comments about fighting bourgeoisie.

I disagree with the idea of containment and don't believe it was America's duty to fight socialism anyway.

Their ally was invaded, so they invaded back. Did you expect America to just lie down and take it? 

preferable.

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Don't be retarded Coins. For America to help it's allies is Imperialism, for China to do it is just the UPRISING OF THE PEOPLE!

DEATH IS A "PREFERABLE" ALTERNATIVE TO COMMUNISM.

Good to know you support Imperialism, then.

they say the hanging of the bourgeoisie is murder, too.

Shockingly, it is. If you excuse evil things done by your side yet condemn them when done by the other, you're a massive hypocrite. But we already knew that, didn't we?

violent action against bourgeois forces is necessary for proletariat emancipation.

I'd be worried about an ideology that promoted that if it wasn't in its death strokes as the last nations that tried it abandon it.

they say lenin never believed a revolution would occur in russia in his lifetime.

Who says that? Care to show any evidence, or just bullshit some more? Even if he did, I don't care, because his ideology had never been tried. A huge amount of the world tried it, they came back to capitalism.

page 331:

https://books.google.com/books?id=frDGHIxc4EUC&pg=PA331&lpg=PA331&dq=lenin+never+believed+a+revolution+would+occur&source=bl&ots=xR8mmzCqow&sig=IOJGM_9hQjPvwIS42RJHygU4BJQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4u9Lh_pfUAhVE4oMKHRsJCtg4ChDoAQgbMAA#v=onepage&q=lenin%20never%20believed%20a%20revolution%20would%20occur&f=false

I feel like you'd be one of those people that can't use your sources in your reasoning, so you have to shove a book into your opponent's face when you debate. You're like one of those dumbass liberals that say. "I suggest you read [insert book here]" then sit there with a smug look as if you just won the debate. I hate your guts, and if I weren't a vegetarian, I'd cannibalize you with an honest-to-God smile on my face.

Oh goody, another attempt to show evidence that fails. Read the page you cited, Lenin never said anything of the sort. I don't blame you though, your kind don't tend to like books.

okay to be honest it was something i heard off hand and didnt have a source for, so you got me there.

So once again, you were talking shit without information. That seems to be a growing trend with you. It's almost as if you don't actually look at evidence before citing it or taking it as true. Would explain a lot about your ideology.

shit you caught me.

DEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE.

Irony is the beauty of that statement.

You're an idiot.

... I mean, yeah, but I wouldn't argue with a 40 foot tall robot that shoots eye lasers and throws nukes.

COMMUNISM IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF FAILURE. BETTER DEAD THAN RED.

DEMOCRACY IS TRUTH.

COMMUNISM IS DEATH.

Ah, right, I got him mixed up with Stalin for a second. The failed attempts at Communism start to blend together after a bit, y'know?

To be fair, being a mass murderer doesn't mean that you can't make a good point.

EDIT: Is your problem nothing more than him quoting Mao Zedong?

The quote is meaningless anyhow. It's a Communist saying their opposition will be lose, which of course they'd say that. My counter-evidence would be looking at how Communist China has done vs America.

Go back to losing the Cold War. 

I mean, statistically, the US never really lost the war, they just left it. Had the regime of paranoid dickheads not been voted out by the hippie movement, and the war actually supported by the people, there'd probably be another North Korea-South Korea division, or Vietnam would've been a Democap nation all along. Hell, they'd at least have come to an understanding with Ho Chi Min and he would've been one of the other Capitalist Dictators that the US backed, since a lot of the conflict rose out of the US not actually paying attention to him when he asked them to get France off his dick.

Oh yeah, forgot to respond to the actual opening post. I'm not an American and I don't see why those who die in providing the service of security to the country are any more deserving of honor than those who died in coal mining or fishing or whatever, and even then a shit ton of your wars were pretty evil, so whatever.

I agree with Steve. People who have died for other causes deserve honor too!

Just because they fought in the war doesn't mean they are the only ones who deserve honor and fame. I honestly do like Memorial Day because I get a day off of school. That's the only plus for me. The rest are negatives because there's traffic everywhere and you can't go to Time Square without running into traffic. 

Pff, whose ass did they kick in the process of dying!? Sure, there was manual labor and shit, but no explosions.

Memorial Day is for the soldiers who didn't kick enough ass.

On the contrary, one of the best/most common ways to survive a war is to kick the bare minimum amount of ass required until they let you go home. The amount of actual ass kicked between living soldiers and dead soldiers varies immeasurably. Would they be alive if they kicked more ass? Probably, but the fact that their survival was out of the question opened up more ass-kicking opportunities than someone with intact self preservation instincts would have.

No, every single soldier who died would've survived if they kicked enough ass. Survival was never out of the question if they had kicked enough ass.

The majority of them were confronted with more ass in a more complicated fashion than the average soldier could have been expected to deal with. Their requirements were not fulfilled because it was too high of an expectation for them, but it doesn't change the fact that they probably kicked a larger quantity of ass because of the insurmountable amount of ass ahead of them.

Still doesn't change the fact they died because they didn't kick enough ass.

True, but they still went above and beyond the call of ass.

They still kicked more ass than any of you probably did.

Many of them did, but I'm drawing with some of them. What's your point?

The amount of kicking ass is probably not worth bickering about seeing as, dead or not, these soldiers kicked more ass than any of you. In any kind of perspective or way of measuring ass-kicking, these soldiers kicked ass.

Again, no. Many of the soldiers didn't kick ass. Many died like cowards, or not even fighting.

I hardly think that dying as a cowardly soldier is more cowardly than some trolls on a dusty corner of the internet. That, to me, is kicking ass regardless of how some soft-spoken hedgehog thinks about it.

What have I done that's cowardly, exactly?

The act of not doing anything particularly brave is cowardly, I'd assume. Hang on, better drop everything and commit some violence just to make sure I'm worth my testicles.

Sounds like a very brave and selfless act, Sent.

Yes, commit violence to be brave! Occupy others! GLORY!

Why thank you, I'm glad you noticed.

I'm always considerate when it comes to giving compliments ;)

Here’s a fun story.

1st grade, the teacher was going on about how Memorial Day was coming up and asking if we had any relatives in the military. Naturally there were a lot of people going on about their various relatives who died in various wars.

When she got to me, I just said my grandfather had been in Vietnam.

TEACHER: Well that’s good, that means you can honor him that day.
ME: But I can’t!
TEACHER GETTING ANGRY: Why not?!
ME: He’s not dead yet!
ANGRY TEACHER: That doesn't matter! You can still honor him anyway!

Even funnier, the little girl sitting next to me who I guess didn’t want to be left out of the dead relative fun raised her hand.

CATHERINE: My grandmother died.
ANNOYED TEACHER: That has nothing to do with what we’re talking about. (Moves on to the next person)

Is he dead now?

Yeah, for years now.

Sorry for yer loss dude. 

Christ, you remember your schoolmates name was Catherine from way back in first grade? That's one hell of a memory you have.

Meanwhile, I have no idea what I had for dinner three hours ago.

1st grade teacher's name was Miss Brodie. Had gray hair.

Catherine was a little blonde girl. We sat in the farthest back left corner together. The desks sat two people.

The two kids sitting in front of me were an arab kid by the name of Nabeal. Had sort of fucked up teeth. The other one was a black girl by the name Tamika. Sort of fat.

The kids sitting to my immediate right was a hillbilly kid by the name of Matthew. Looked like that old marionette from that old show Howdy Doody. Other one was another white kid by the name of Billy who always was dressed like he was going to a prep school rather than a public one.

Wish I had memory like that, all I remember of first grade was being told to read more since I only spoke Chinese. 

How the...

I'm not even gonna question how you remember this.

Happy Imperialism Day, everyone! 

Hm, guess this thread pushed Fazz full Pol Pot.

"I will make Stalin look like a fucking anarchist. Hide your toothbrush, whiteys." - FazzTheMan

I think "FazzTheChairman" would work a lot better though.

a missed opportunity for sure.

Lol I'd rather they helicopter all the socialists and toss me into the blades than live for a second under your lunatic fantasy regime

I'd say I learned that fazz is an idiot today, but I already knew that. Kind of him to really drive the point home though. You know, just so there wasn't any doubt for the newer members. Nothing like a racist communist promoting genocide and stupidity to really make the new folks feel like they'll jive with the community.

is there something wrong with me publicly displaying communism, cause if so I'll change my profile.

the "toothbrush whitey" thing is a communist in-joke about people not understanding the differences between private property and personal property, leading to people (read: white privilaged liberals) believing communists will seize and collectivize everything including toothbrushes. the juche stuff is also sarcastic.

The quotes are serious.

sorry you think my personal views are genocidal and stupid . nothing i can do about that.

Lol. I do. They are.

In my opinion, yours are the genocidal and backwards beliefs. I suppose it is a matter of perspective.

Meh, It’s not like we’re CoG where we ban people for having differing view points. We will however mock the shit out of the retarded ones. Chances are most new people are just going to look at your profile and just dismiss you as some nut at best.

So you’ll just have to get used to being the lone Commie Muslim on here.

Really that’s your main problem. (Not the only one though) You got two vastly differing ideologies at play. At this point it seems like you’re really leaning towards the commie one, so I’d say disregard Islam altogether because at least then you wouldn't look so contradictory. 

Personally, I thought you actually were more reasonable when you were a plain old Muslim.

>so I’d say disregard Islam altogether because at least then you wouldn't look so contradictory. 

thats the way its looking. i suppose one will win over the other though.

and yo i was never reasonable person lol.

 

Eh, when you were just a Muslim, it wasn't like you were going around saying "DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!" or quoting Osama Bin Laden unless it was for lulz.

Granted I suppose that's a low bar for "reasonable" but that's more what I was referring to.

He saw no problem letting a horde of potential terrorists into the United States and you think he was more reasonable?

It was more consistent at least due to his heritage and Fazz usually always tried to back up his position by pointing out that most Muslims/Middle Easterners weren't terrorists. 

Whether or not anyone actually believes that or even wants a bunch of Muslims in their country is another story.