This might belong in the parlor room, so if it does, JJJ, swing it over.
Anyway, I am more of a writer than a reader on this site, so I haven't spent that much time reading stories. I've checked the ones everyone seem to favor (The likes of Ground Zero, the Tower and the Necromancer), and some of the less known ones, but that's about it. I am however very fond of villains, and consider them to be the most important aspects of a story. Forming a psychological profile of the characters I read (or watch...or play) about is one of my most favorite things to do when experiencing a story, and when it comes to psychologically damaged characters (like villains tend to be), that makes the whole thing even more fun. Figuring out why they are how they are, what formed them, what is their goals, whether their goals are noble. but methods are nasty etc. Anyway, to sort of get the stories I would appreciate instead of going through the countless games on this entire site, I decided to ask the community here to give a list of their top 10 CYS villains and what stories they belong to.
Okay, so that's two. What order do people think the two are in (which is better (well, worse if you want to get technical), the Necromancer or the uncle) and what 8 other villains qualify for the list?
Yeah, but being bad isn't really what I'm talking about. I mean, if a villain just randomly nukes the entire planet, he is destructive, sure, but storywise, he isn't necessarily a good villain. What I mean is that being brutal doesn't mean it's a good villain/villainess.
No. I wasn't talking about this individual case. Just in general. Since you added "so brutal", I assumed that was the reason you felt she claimed the top.
I read the story (found an unfinished page btw), and I really can't agree to her being the top villain. She has some good manipulative methods, but there have to be better ones on the site, and I personally think that the Necromancer and the Uncle are better villains.
Well, regardless, no one that posted on this thread has really given me an individual top ten list.
Oh, really? How many storygames are there?
And in those 440 games, the number of good villains don't even go up to 10? That's a little disappointing.
The villians I would choose would be Meckard, Hell girl's sister (I think it started with a M), Necromancer, the demon from Necromancer (started with a V, I'm sure), the father from Ducky Park, and that bone dude from Homo Perfectus 2, in no particular order.
I don't find that disrespectful. Our taste in villains seems to be different anyway. :D
meckard takes a top ten spot for me, so does the main villian of OMS, cant remember his name for the life of me. I agree with 3J the serial killer uncle in the basement dwellers was pretty cool. There is no need to say whats already been said, so I will spare you all the ones already listed. Dammage, otherwise referd to as the bone guy, was a pretty flat character to me, and not overly exciting. How about the Villian in the fairview highschool game? Haha
Whats the name of the guy in mommy, who is your "friend" but in the end tries to kill you? He could be considerd a villian i suppose.
I was asking a completly unrelated question. it had nothing to do with you comment. Its the search for craxil, not crufalix or whatever you called it, lol. ty 3J
my bad, the search for the craxil, yes i suppose the craxil is a villian. dont know if it stacks up as a top ten contedor, need to read the story first.
It was a decent villian, but I never actually stopped and said "hmm... this is a pretty decent villian", if you know what I mean.
I draft Endmaster or 3J. They (in my opinion) have some of the best stories on the site.
Meh, I don't know. He was a horrible person but he didn't really mess with anyone who didn't mess with him as far as I see it.
Mormans*
Silly Cool, Mormans mess with everybody. Either they always come to your house talking about a guy who up and decided that he would start his own religion when no one was looking, or when their kids stuff sticks and rocks into their air conditioner box-thingy (You know, that thing with the fan outside of some houses that shreds just about anything) untill it breaks, so then they decide that they should shove sticks and rocks into your air conditioner box-thingy instead. And of course they have so many unsupervised kids you can't keep an eye on them ALL the time.
Yeah, the bone guy was out of desperation, but I think Meckard could be in the bottom five. He tried to wipe out humanity and had a plan that might actually work some day. I listed some because they were downright evil, but I listed some (like bone-dude) because I was a wee bit scared that I couldn't find that many good CYS villians.
You're thinking of Velzix from Necromancer, though I'd say if you were picking one of the demons, Big Red actually qualifies as a better candidate if you follow the alternate path to its conclusion. He pops up again in the alternate path in Death Song too.
I agree, even when we moved we had Mormon neighbors (I even went to their church once for giggles). The adults are always nice and polite, and the children normally grow up to do good things. Annoying as hell though.
What? I think they're annoying because they are always trying to get you to convert and on several occasions they broke my air conditioner. My main concern is that they normally have several kids, but don't supervise them enough. I know there are exceptions to the rule, but that doesn't change the fact that it happens
We're getting off track though, we need to think of good villians. How about Subject Zero in the reanimator story? I don't think he was that good of a villian, but at least he was a specific villian, which is kinda hard to find around here.
LOL how did they break your air conditioner?
"Mormans*
I posted that a little while ago, but it was scrunched up against the side and kinda hard to read.
I haven't met any mormons in my whole life. Maybe it's because I'm in Canada.
Anyways do you guys live near Utah?
Central Alabama. Decent Morman population, but we're still dominated by the Baptists.
I think it's clear that Baron Alexis should be in the top ten :P
Can someone gimme the link to the stories with Baron Alexis and Hell Girl characters. I don't believe I've read them before.
Lol, I was joking about Baron Alexis. It's from a pretty juvenile story called Chess Master Stan where Alexis is basically a dick who calls you a 'wussie" when you don't accept his chess challenge.
Oh really? What's with the greats making seperate accounts to publish their stories under?
Doc from Love SICK is definitely one of worst villians if you're going by my stories. On top of being a serial killer, cannibal, and necrophiliac, he's also harvesting people's organs on the black market. Victims in the story can include: Subject 483 strapped to the table Two mormon missionaries A girl scout A hitchhiker tied up in the attic Gun toting mailman His own two henchmen A hooker "Best friend" Johnny in a flashback memory A bum in a flashback memory About the only ones who "deserved it" were arguably the mailman since he pulled a gun out and the henchmen since they're just as evil. (Okay the mormons too for being annoying. Lol) If you want more villian examples from my stories, I'd suggest the following: Necromancer & Death Song: The Necromancer & Big Red were already mentioned. Ground Zero has a ton of villans, but the worst ones: Elliot is a manipulative cult leader who will eventually lead the community shelter into ruin if he takes control. Turns all the women into sex slaves, has all the men castrated, eventually everyone suffers from infection from his experiments. Alex is another mad scientist type who tries to "improve" humanity by making them cyborgs and creates the Cybernetic Evolution which tries to take over the wasteland. Even if you make friends with him, he betrays you later and ends up poisoning a whole town. The GZ Survivor (protagonist) can end up being the worst villan of all just by being a complete bastard in the Wasteland Hellrasier path. Geek: Charlie the midget & Ajax the Strongman are the most antagonistic, but the Pervus and his clowns are A LOT worse if they get a hold of you. Alpha Wolf: A lot of potential ones, though Dracula is the most obvious. Mr. Hyde and the Invisible Man do some shady stuff to you as well. Imagination: The Nightmare Tyrant is the main villan that's constantly sending shadow creatures after you along with trying to take over the fantasy world you've been transported to. The rest of the stories have their own villans, but I don't think any of them are really on any sort of meaningful scale. Even Uncle Eddie the JJJ suggested isn't excessively villianous. He's a serial killer and he will kill you if you report him to the cops, but given some of the things that other family members can do to Suzy, he's actually fairly neutral to her until she intrudes upon him. The Elojin explorer from Paradise Violated might be up there given that he's trying to trick you the whole time, but that's pretty much standard fare for his race.
I would say Elliot is a top ten contendor. You dont realy get an explanation as to why he is as he is, but he is pretty wicked.
Who mentioned Big Red? By the demon I was thinking of the guy who started with a V, I wanna say Veltrax?
Yeah, he made me mad in DS.
It would need to be revised a little I think, there are too many stats for it to be a book. It's kind of like Mommy, great story but wouldn't transfer well to paper. Stories with no stats like Necromancer would transfer well though.
I don't know why i said stats rather than scripts :P
Nina, isnt actually evil if you finish that path correctly. You end up marrying her.
If the villian has to be evil, then it would be from the writer's perspective. If he intentionally designed the antagonist to be evil, then chances are he's the villain.
Lol a character is simply desinged to be evil because the person who created him/her (as well as the entire world he/she lives in) wants him/her to be evil.
Never really considered Nina to be a villainess when I wrote her, though I can see why some would see her that way. She certainly has the potential for evil under certain circumstances and arguably she is the most unstable out of all the love interests. Marina is a survivalist so she's going to have a slightly more ruthless perception on certain things, and even Lisa has the excuse of mutation to explain her outlook on life. Appropriately being a machine, "Eliza" is a little more stable by nature, though Becky is harmless as well, she's just young and lonely for companionship and will reach out to anyone being nice to her (Which may be you or Miss Kitty)
Nina crept me out a lot. The main reason while I decided to get it on with her was to keep her from killing the two gays. And at first I was quite a bit annoyed to have to stick arond with her. Then of course I learned to like her.
In Ground Zero, that Eliot (or what was his name?) definitely was the top villain. A creepy little SOB who turns extremely hazardous if you don't punch him in the face really hard early enough. He's the nightmare of every sane man: A fucking loser who manages to fuck up everything if you ignore him for too long and then suddenly he's getting into a position where you can't effectively stop him anymore through his twisted ways if you're not careful.
Another top villain would be Big Red... though we don't see that much of him, he just owns you if you're foolish enough to deal with him. Anyway in "Necromancer" if you pursue the 'demonist' path his grand appearance is 1) very surprising and 2) perfectly orchestrated so that does make him a top notch bad guy.
I think the main character in Repression is pretty cool.
And I also like Julian Moore/Bana-Jxo from The Devil's Fire by Ashen_Snake . . . does he count?
Not to play semantic word games and I may not even remember correctly, but isn't the necromancer an anti-hero? I really liked Big Red, I really thought I was doing well in that story but evidently...well, one would have to read it. How did Mormons get tied in with storybook villains?
That guy's name was Leon in the Mommy story. I'm not sure he's a villain, though. You might notice that a lot of lines are blurred, sometimes not so adeptly and rather crudely, in fact, but I was aiming for gray areas and ethical flexibility.
Hi, I've been lurking about for the past few weeks playing games and stuff. Mostly yours, EndMaster. In fact, after I played a few of them I just clicked on your name and started going through all your games instead of trying to find good ones in the lists. Point is I really appreciate your work.
I think it's interesting you mention that "force of nature" thing though. When I played Death Song I felt that comment was really weak. Especially since it seemed to convince the hero to play for Cat. I think the problem was though that I as a player knew for a fact that he did have a choice. Once you start down the path to killing the world you get tons of chances to stop. Hell, you even get a last ditch chance to turn yourself into a temporal paradox by becoming the original Great Lich Lord. So he obviously chose that path. Of course the protagonist of Death Song didn't know that I guess.
On topic, I'd have to agree that in terms of sheer depravity it'd have to be the protagonist of Love SICK, which literally made me cringe while reading it and worry about the writer's own mental condition. In terms of scale it'd be the Necromancer. This isn't truly driven home unless you play Death Song all the way to the end. Constantly moving one step ahead as the world itself slowly dies around you unltil all you have left is music.
Actually EndMaster, your ability to put the reader inside the character's mindset is what really makes the your games work for me. Aside from Love SICK which I just sort of skimmed due to how amazingly repulsive it was. But like, in Necromancer, I never really feel any empathy for any of the characters except those the PC does. The world is just yours to take, the people are just obstructions. In Death Song though I really felt this sense of utter despair and hopelessness as I realized that the game was going for Necromancer's Epilogue. Every time I survived I god some renewed hope that maybe things would turn out, and then they didn't. The only thing I thought might save the character was that maybe in the end the music taking you to a different place might become literal in a similar way to how the Necromancer's mastery of death to the point of literally killing an entire world just by being on it eventually led to whatever was pulling his strings from the start opening a portal for him.
Speaking of whatever was pulling his strings... Are you going to write another story that possibly reveals something about that?
The necromancer strikes me as an intelligent and logical person. I always thought that he had a clear understanding of what he was doing, and that he alwyas had free will over whatever control any "force of nature" had over him.
I just think that in the Necromancers mind, the world has always wronged and attacked him, from his birth the world always took whatever it wanted from him. He has always amounted to nothing and at the first glimpse of power he took it. Furthermore, he has always been regarded as evil by everyone, the vampires, demons and every other living creatures. If the world condemns his existience as a necromancer and wants him purged, why shouldn't he take action against them.
Anyways in my mind, the necromancer has really been pushed into a corner and many of his actions IMO are a result of his "victims". He isn't that evil in my mind.
Yeah, Hitler was the victim of all those horrid minorities stealing from good true aryans. Stalin was the victim of everyone being a threat to his power. Gadafi was a victim of the west putting halucinogens in the drinking water to make his people revolt.
Practically every evil SOB in history was the victim in their eyes. The main difference is that the Necromancer clearly had a choice. He very clearly had the chance to consider many possible options, but he always chose the path of death of his own free will.
Where did you come up of the idea of lovesick? It's so twisted and grotesque.
Pretty much sums up the mind of EndMaster.
I guess.
I honestly think that the "force of nature" Endmaster was reffering to is the fact that the Necromancer's very presence in the world causes all things to die. It's not a spell, it's not a plan, it's nature... more specifically, he is nature.
