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Wow, I just thought everyone assumed Hades was a douche because he was associated with the devil, I'm one of the few where I'm from to read Greek Mythology lol. Hades wasn't evil, he just got really unlucky when he got stuck with the Underworld, and he did a few things out of lonelyness or boredom, but he wasn't evil. Also, am I wrong or was Hades the eldest of the original Gods? I can't remember.

Hades was the eldest of the brotherly trio including himself, Poseidon, and Zeus. Zeus is youngest.

I know I always get upset when media protrays Hades as the bad guy... I mean, if you look at Greek Mythology, the antagonist role is played by mythical monsters and the titans at the very beginning, if you're on the gods' side. Heros like Hercules and Odysseus always fought monsters or wild animals. Even when you had the gods and goddesses themselves as the center of focus, there was no line drawn between "good gods" and "bad gods".

Also, if I can detour a bit from the Greek Mythology, has anyone noticed that it's always Anubis that plays the bad guy role when Egyptian Mythology is in question? I don't know a whole lot about Egyptian Mythology, but last I checked, is was Set who chopped his brother into tiny pieces and scattered them everywhere- not Anubis. Is there any basis to put the jackel-headed god on the villanous side?

Zeus was a pretty big dick, but I guess he had his moments. Although I am Christian and I don't think that the Egyptians making one god bad even though the other one cut up his brother had anything to do with christianity, I do agree with you that Christianity did slander a lot of religions, and a lot of christianity is hypocritical. I don't really follow any Christain "branch" (for lack of a better term), I just follow my own interpretation, but wouldn't Judiasm be slandering the other religions as well, seeing as Christianity follows basically the same path as Judiasm untill Jesus was born and then branched into the new testament. I'm not saying the two or the same, just that they follow similar paths at first. If you do find anything relating to Jesus fighting other gods (Jesus mostly did prophet-like things only on a grander scale, like bringing people back to life) could you please post it? It sounds really interesting and I would love to read it.

sweet, thanks for the info

Ah, talk of religions. DV13 and I have had many conversations about this, I want to wait for him to post. But, we had such opposing views a few years ago, but through discussion and life experiences, we (sorta) have the same outlook. That douche needs to post here so he can second my post. He will probably just give some sarcastic comment and then my self-esteem will go down 2 points.

My views is in religion coincides with most of Christianity, though a lot of my political views forced me to edit it a bit:

1. There is a God

2.He does give a shit, he would just rather you fix the problems yourself.

3. Prayer is obsolete. You are trying to find comfort, cool. Just talk to yourself instead.

4. Heaven exists, you just don't have to brownnose God to get there. Live a good life, then you will be fine. Homos go to heaven based on their actions, not where their tongues/penises go. God will judge whether or not you led a good life. You are smart enough to define good from bad, and in the tough decisions, if you're final choice was meant to benign, then it was.

5. Upon entering Heaven, you will recieve an unlimited supply of Pop Tarts. All flavors.

6. No sort of commercials OF ANY KIND.

Ok, so the last two were to make sure you laughed. This is just my take. I hear people say "Religion was just created to create secure societies," If so, then I guess this is just my interpretation of religion to make myself feel secure. It's irrelevant, because none of us know what the hell will really happen.

Okay, let us not go from mythology to religion. That is going to screw us all over the place. So, no more comments about religion after the post on top or you'll have to endure my atheist insults and provocations.

agreed endmaster, on both statements.

My view of christianity is actually a lot like Deadly_Sinner's, if he has voiced something I totally disagree with, I havn't found it. It's kind of why I posted earlier (I think it was on this thread) that the fact that I am Christian is debateable. I do take place in group prayers, just because it is the custom to do so in wherever I am at the time, and it would be rude not to. I hope they have poptarts in heaven... especially wildberry

the question is, do you honestly, and earnestly beleive it? thats whats important.

addtionally i suggest actually looking in a bible before making you decisions on oppions. paul said, "if you beleive in your heart and confess with you mouth then you will be saved" it was the act of beleiving in christ that made one saved, it is in no way living a good life. in strict occordance with the bible.

otherwise i very much so agree with you. praying isnt obsolete in occordance to the bible, that doesnt mean i do it often enough. its more like oh, something realy unlikely and good happend, thanks God. oh, i screwed up, Sorry God. and my personally favourite prayer of mine. "oh dear God, please dont let my lung callapse again, and should it, dear God let me learn as much from it as i did last time."

i don't beleive that prayer is completely obsolete, if it gives people comfort I say do it, which is why relgions where started(thats what I think, I can't actually back it up with proof) I just don't pray myself because it doesn't matter to me either way. I also don't believe a lot of what is in the bible, I remain as skeptical as I am in all things as when i am thinking about relgion, but if you think it is true, do it, I have no right to tell you that you are wrong.

I will try to say this as civilly as possible, although that is going to be hard considering the issue. Endmaster is a married man who you have never met before, the fact that you want to sleep with him is unbelievable to me. Also, you are a twelve year old girl (if you were telling the truth in your original post), just wait until your body matures and you will soon find that everything you now think about and feel will be completely different, I can understand if you don't believe me on this, because trust me, everything you know about yourself will change. I can remember the person I was as a twelve-year-old, and I am glad that I have changed from the vulgar, obscene, obtrusive preteen I once was into the man I am now.

Lol, I'm sure your body has matured from its previous state, but that's still a lot of growing to do. And FYI, growing up isn't optional.

God, I feel like I am on a PBS special, lets get back to mythology. Were Gaia and Uranus (was that his Greek or Roman name) considered gods if they created the world and the Titans, which then created the gods? Uranus is probably not the right god, but I can't remember who made the universe along with Gaia according to Greek Mythology

Intelligent question, Bo. I would say they are the "God's-god's-god's" That is, Gaia and Uranus created the Titans, the Titan's created the Gods.

(And 12 year old, get your head checked. You want to have sex with someone you have no idea who they are? Haven't you seen Dateline NBC's How to Catch a Predator? If Chris Hanson contacts EndMaster, I'm going to be upset with you.)

"Ahh Endmaster, have a seat, right over there."

"but I would never think about touching a young girl!"

"I've read some of your stories..."

I can see how that would go lol. I've always been extremely interested in mythology, but my big book on different mythologies/religions got left in my backpack after rain and then it got really moldy and I had to throw it out. Right when I got out of Buddhism and into Greek too.

Thank you, I do know they have shrines one of the earlier myths i was told was of a guy who wanted to run really fast and he slept in the temple of Gaia for something or other. It was a long time ago lol, I do think you were right in that they were not largely worshipped.

LOL that took me a second to get, then i lauged realy hard.

Makes me wonder if Christianity and Judiasm and Budhism and all the other religions we worship today will become mythology. I mean the ancient Greeks believed in them as though they were real. In 2000 years, children may be educated to believe something else.

"Now kids, these Americans believed that there was a bearded man in the sky that granted wishes, and if you went to a mass meeting once a week, you would gain his favor."

"But how can they worship something other than the twenty headed purple radiation beast?"

"Well, not all of the Americans worshiped it, some beleived in a god that wanted you to kill yourself to make him happy."

Something like that.

@Bo ROFL at your Chris Hanson joke.

@Endy Epic God of War reference. You sir, are very funny.

2000 years ago Christianity wasn't nearly the same as it is now. I don't think it will be referred to as mythology, it will have just evolved as it has today. If you notice (I do this as well) people sort of tune Christianity to their own station. Who is to say that there won't be another testament? We'll think this guy has been slamming 7 gram rocks, but I'm sure whoever the hell spoke the New Testament was looked at the same way.

Yes, I personally hope that Christianity continues, if only to give a basis for morals. But, again, we have no idea what will happen in 2000 years and my previous statement was more stupid humor than what I actually think will happen lol.

All this talk of mythology has gotten me thinking more about it. Because it is Friday the 13th, I was reading The Raven by Edgar Alen Poe (it has been my tradition for about 3 years now) and I noticed something. The raven flies from the window to the narrator's bust of Pallas (as in Pallas Athena). Because the raven is a symbol of grief, to me at least, and Athena is the goddes of wisdom, and the story ends with the raven staying on top of the bust of Athena forever, I thought this meant that for the rest of his life, the man let grief control his mind rather than knowledge for the rest of his life, which is why he went insane. Of course, poems are interpereted different ways by different people, and if anyone else thinks differently feel free to post.

sorry for the errors in that, I was distracted

I'm afraid I don't  understand why you are posting about television, and I know that the Greek gods don't exist, we are all in consensus about that I beleive, but I do choose to worship God from Christianity, and him being real is my opinion, just like (if you are an atheist) his nonexistance (is that a word) is your opinion. Lets just leave it at that, because otherwise I wll just be stating the same old religion exists arguements, and you will be posting the same God doesn't exist arguments, and we finally have some kind of temporary harmony on this site, and I would rather not have it end just now because of a stupid debate.

ok, thanks

Hades was not a bad guy, He just felt slated over what his brothers did to him and he wanted some compensation.

Loyalty can be a fatal flaw actually. Ever heard of a saying called "Too much of a good thing is bad." It goes something like that so in realty yes it can. Look at Shakespeare's play Othello, one could argue that his fatal flaw was Love which is considered a good thin.

Set is not a villain pure say. He does chop up Osiris because of Isis taking out the sun god Ra. Ra had been ruler of the gods for years and Set was his main general, friend, confidante, and basically right hand man. In this way Set felt that Osiris was an upstart who got his wife to banish the real king. Set is a jerk and flirts with chaos to much but is not evil. Apophis was the main bad guy in Egyptian mythology. Set just gets a bad rap. Think of him as the ying to Osiris yang.

were you paraphrasing Sakespere or is that the actual quote?

We basically covered all of it besides the whole clarification on the Egyptian gods, thanks for that

Well I do not think anyone augured that a fatal flaw can be virtuous. No the "To much of a good thing is bad" is not a Shakespeare quote it is a saying or something that is often said, at least to me. I did paraphrase the play by saying Othello's love for his wife makes him become jealousy and kill her than himself. I just felt that Set was being gained up on, when I was in 6-8th grades I had a phase were I wanted to be a mythologist. I studied a lot of ancient myths at that time.

Also I am not sure who said it but I agree with whatever that person put about Loki being a bit of a dick but not evil. If anything the only Evil creature in that mythology is a giant snake (Which is also the description of the evil god in Egypt. Similar themes.) Ymir to could be considered Evil.

Snakes are evil in Christianity as well. Humans have a natural fear of snakes, so most religions, recent or old, used that. Loki was more of a dick than evil, he kinda reminds me of Hermes because they are both jokesters, or was that Apollo, or Dionysus, I dunno. I was wondering about shakespeare because I have never read the play so I didn't know if it actually came form it or not.

He reminds you of Hermes, the god of travelers. He personified any and all people who traveled this includes but not limited to doctors, thieves, cobblers, joggers, jugglers, rangers the list goes on and on. He was often a trickster but always confessed when caught and used a sliver tough,quick fingers and cunning/wit to get out of trouble.

Ohh and messengers.

Ya, he does. Hermes was (in my eyes) the comical relief of Greek mythology

That would definitely be correct. I think he was one of the few gods that almost all mortals liked in Greek mythology.

For all of you new posters, I was not copying Donteatpoop when he posted that all religions become religions. Just look at the date, his was posted yesterday where mine was posted on the twelfth. I don't think he was copying me either, he posted on an earlier post, so I think he just didn't read the whole thing. I know I have done that before.

Well I guess it would be funny if the goat did not spew fire.

We have to credit mythology for A LOT of content in fantasy. I used to be an avid World of Warcraft player, and that game has centaurs, hydras, these centaur things that are a mix of elf and deer (called dryads), druids, etc. Or J.R.R Tolkien. He has put a lot out in the minds of today's fantasy world creators.

I miss WOW, something screwed up with my PC and I can't run it, and my laptop didn't have enough ram (or whatever it is that it needed) to run it so I ceased payments on my account.

I don't play but I agree that most of the fantasy creatures are based in myth and legend.

Wow, I didn't even pick up on that. Good job.

Hades may be evil, but I don't think by choice. He may just be mad at Zeus and Poseidon for getting the sky and sea while he got stuck underground.

yeah, when they drew lots he got Hades, thats all that went wrong. Of course he had his bad moments, like kidnapping, but compared to other gods like Zeus and Ares, he wasn't that bad.

That's what I was trying to get at, but great job on vocalizing it. I like Poseidon's dickish behavior in the Oddysey, it always cracks me up. "You killed my baby boy's sheep, I'm gonna mess you up boy!"