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This feature was rejected 6/27/2012: Automatically rejected as part of the FWW clean out.

EXP Points V 2.0

14 years ago
Full credit to Mizal for this idea (except that they also move credit over haha), here's their post over at IS:

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Eh, well I guess it's less 'my ideas' then 'ideas shamelessly ripped from another writing site I used to hang out at'. (They also gave members the option to buy extra points with real money over there so obviously it was in the owner's best interest to make them as useful as possible.)

Basically, you would earn a couple of points for every story/poem/chapter/whatever you reviewed, just like at CYS, but you could then use those points to buy a certificate that could be used to flag a story (generally your own, but it could be someone else's you just really liked too), so that the next 3 or 5 or however many reviewers, or every reviewer for the next three days or so, would receive X amount of bonus points.

All the certs would stack, and in addition to the usual 'best of the best' lists there was a separate one that literally listed stories by the amount they paid out. It was nice, guaranteed a lot of readers, and the certs could be sent through PMs, so if someone helped edit your story or wrote you an especially helpful or lengthy review the author could send them a thank you reward to use on their own work. I think there was also a way to buy your story a banner ad that would last a week or so.

Of course, this was a site with a bigger community and a much higher volume of stuff being put out (traditional writing site, so lots of shortish poems and you could review every chapter of a book, etc.), so I'm not sure how all of this would work at a place like CYS.

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And my response:

That sounds super cool. The only problem is that EXP points are supposed to represent site commitment and 'spending' them means that someone who had TONS might have very few and look like they're a new member. I think this is fixable by having the amount displayed on the profile as the total amount accrued and then having an 'available' (accrued - spent) amount viewable only to the user themselves. Thanks for this, I'll go post it in the FWW on CYS. If the founders ever get back, this would be a really cool addition.

EXP Points V 2.0

14 years ago
Yeah, I think a long time ago they talked about being able to spend EXP someday.

EXP Points V 2.0

14 years ago

I think that spending EXP could possibly lose the website's goal in mind. We're here to read and write.

EXP Points V 2.0

14 years ago
Did you actually read the OP?

EXP Points V 2.0

14 years ago

Yeah, it said that it could be used to bring in more readers to your story.

EXP Points V 2.0

13 years ago

yeah i agree

EXP Points V 2.0

13 years ago
Not important since you haven't read it.

EXP Points V 2.0

14 years ago

Awesome, glad you liked the idea 3J! :)

And deadly_sinner, I get that we're here to read and write, but isn't the purpose of any writing site also to get feedback on your work, ideally the sort that can help you improve? The main point of the suggestion is to encourage this. Also I think a lot of people at a site like this tend to primarily be writers, and it's good for us to have incentive to get out of our own little worlds for a little while and comment on what other people are doing...has the bonus of making us a little more critical of our own work too, which is always a good thing IMO.

EXP Points V 2.0

14 years ago

Yeah I did. That's kind of a stupid question. Why would you want to give someone more points for reading a story? You already get one for rating a story. I guess it could promote more readers, but it seems like we have enough of it already. I don't know. I would have to see it in action to understand it better.

EXP Points V 2.0

14 years ago

And I should have said in my first post "We're here to read and write, why do we need to paid for it?"

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14 years ago
The fact that the other owner allows users to buy points wasn't the suggestion, it was provided to show why the other owner wanted exp points to be able to be useful.

If you're here to improve as an author, then you'll want the most feedback, you'll get the most feedback if you can reward readers for reading your story. OMS gets a WHOLE lot more feedback than some random story rated 4 in Fantasy because it's listed as the top story on the site. What I'm offering there, is the promise of a good story. So how do you get that level of feedback without being able to offer that level of enticement? With this suggestion.

EXP Points V 2.0

14 years ago

instead of spending the points the points, why dont give the right to "flag" a story every 100 points or so. allthough that increment may be vastly low.

EXP Points V 2.0

14 years ago
Did you read my response? (the part under the second dotted line in the OP)

EXP Points V 2.0

14 years ago

thats another completly legitament way to do it, i like my idea better purly because its my idea. both would work just fine.

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14 years ago

Yes but having to spend EXP points to do this might isolate new players who do not have Tons of experince points.

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14 years ago

Well, experience points are earned through reading stories and rating them. So this is also a good method to encourage readers to read every story, no?

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14 years ago
All it does is allow you to promote your story or someone else's story, I don't see how that could isolate new members.

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14 years ago

I hate to sound like a dolt, but I would have to see it in action to understand it. I'm not sure why I don't fully comprehend this.

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14 years ago

JJJ you or maybe someone else specifically said a way to spend EXP points well I have only 30 so I do not want to spend any yet or I might have enough that is what I mean by isolating new members.

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14 years ago
I hate to repeat myself again, but please read my response (just under the dotted line). Your concerns are ungrounded :)

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14 years ago

I'm neutral on this. I wouldn't care either way. But i am a little conserned that members with a low number of points would never get there stories 'Flagged'. The people like JJJ and active users would get a massive advantage and I don't think that is fair. People should Flagged for good stories not for being the most active. In a sense they already get flaged, by score not by points.

Actually on second thoughts I'm against the idea. It's just too biased towards active members, rather than good stories.

EXP Points V 2.0

14 years ago

Yes, people who are active in the community will tend to wind up with more points. Obviously. That's a horrible downside again because why? Or is there some reason people who write good stories wouldn't also be reading and commenting as well? Reading and writing are literally the only two things to do on this site, and classically they go hand in hand.

One of the main parts of the idea is that you, as a reader and an active member who cares about the community, can flag any story you like. Is there some little gem somewhere you feel is being ignored, or a story that's great but unfortunately just not quite great enough to get in the top 5 where people will actually see it? Awesome, now you can make it more visible and give other people an incentive to read it and discover for themselves how good it is. Maybe they'll even go on to check out the author's other work. Maybe the author will be inspired by the feedback and advice they get to write an even better story, who knows? It's a win-win all around.

Honestly I don't get the resistance this idea is getting - it's not like a people who don't want to bother with it are being punished in any way, it's the exact same system you guys have always had, just with the added option to put a temporary spotlight on a story (whether it's yours or someone else's) and get the author a little extra feedback.  

EXP Points V 2.0

14 years ago

I understand this better now, I read everything thoroughly.

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14 years ago
Not to get snarly, but why didn't you do that originally? It's really frustrating to continuously reiterate everything that's being said haha. Anyways, glad you've got it now.

As for you, bradhal, again, not to get snarly, but your concerns are completely ungrounded and unfounded. Just because there's a way to view flagged stories (which aren't necessarily the stories of the flagger's) does not mean that other stories won't get viewed. All it does is allow users to get more feedback on the works of their choice or promote a story they really liked.

There would still be the newly published stories list and the top stories list, both which generate lots of feedback.

EXP Points V 2.0

14 years ago

I read it through the first time, sometimes ideas (or their usefulness) don't click right away with me. But yeah, being a broken record gets annoying, I understand. Apologies!