So I was skimming the Choice of Games Forums for some laughs over snowflakes losing their temper at some menial thing, when I found this.
https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/intolerance-on-other-interactive-fiction-websites/32375/5
There are no words for how glorious this is.
They're certainly the beacon of tolerance with the two hundred year bans they handed out to me and Seto. I'd be tempted to tell them that this place isn't so bad, but I think that there's still hundreds of years of more waiting that I have to do with that account.
Thara, just hand down your account to your grandchildren so they can continue your legacy.
For once, I wouldn't mind it if Ryder trolls (as long as it is on CoG).
I think he might be serious though. He's tried to "hack" the site before, he just might be resorting to public slander.
I never made an account over there. If I had the time, I'd make an account just to interact with some of the most intolerant people I've met on the internet.
Hmm, looks like Ryder is trying a different tactic by stirring shit with CoG. One of his better ideas I suppose. You'd think he would have gotten over his banning by now, but I'm sure him being into zoophilia will be better accepted over there.
In any case I'd say enjoy the outrage in the CoG threads, but obviously don't play into his game by going over to CoG to "troll" them.
It won't accomplish anything and it seems like we're already causing CoGites to have the vapors just by our very presence. Lol.
I think I feel offended.
I want it clarified, Steve has only exclusively written LGBT+ protagonists in his long writing career, and he will strive to hold by that. I care for you, Cystia!
"Last post I swear"
-Mizal 2017
Given the large amount of LGBT+, furries, autistics and others we have here that are normally discriminated against by heteronormative society, I'd say this place is a fucking shining beacon of tolerance.
Oh, you're still here? Bad Mizal. BAD Mizal.
I've taken the "Genocide the disabled" point many times before, Miz, and I'll support it again.
I didn't know he was into doing animals...
Specifically cat raping. That's like Ryder's primary characteristic. Even over his "I'm going to destroy CYS! MUHAHAHA!" schtick.
He admitted to molesting his cat on several occasions even before he started trolling.
I really hope he was joking, because that's sick.
How so?
Here we go again.
Well shows over folks, the thread got locked.
I'm proud (and a little surprised) that none of you felt the urge to take Ryder's shit stirring bait. No matter what anyone says, you anarchy loving lot ARE capable of self restraint every once in awhile.
Now carry on with your usual toxic faggotry!
Probably got locked for a couple reasons, though I see Ryder linked to your "Don't Get Raped" story and it even got flagged. I imagine that played a part in the thread getting locked.
Congrats on your "official" 5,000th post. It seems somewhat fitting. :)
I believe a sizable portion of your life, maybe 2%, goes to cys.
This made me happy. ^_^
Edit: At least they called him out on being a troll over there. TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if he starts trolling over there as well, (not that it'd last very long)
Unrelated to Ryder's antics, but still related to CoG, I can imagine this person getting banned for 200 years soon.
https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/any-good-free-interactive-sites-or-apps-other-than-choice-of-games/14349/41
In fact, the post will probably just get deleted so I'll just post it here before it does.
AnneR
I don’t understand the obsession with choosing the gender and orientation of the protagonist. At what point does it matter in most of the stories beyond the (usually) shallow romance options? If so much time is spent on the numerous permutations possible doesn’t that mean the story will likely suffer?
Shouldn’t a story in the romance genre and a story in the action genre play at least somewhat differently without attempting to shoehorn action into the romance game or romance into the action game?
A story involving the heir to the throne (for example) SHOULD differ depending on the gender of the protagonist as well as the orientation. Otherwise why bother to create the scenario?
Linearity? Which CoG story is NOT linear? I have yet to see one that doesn’t lead the reader from point A (the start of the story) to part B (the end of the story).
As for ‘try before you buy’, given that many stories barely allow the player to choose the obscurely-explained attributes before asking for money I would wonder at the value of paying for such games, “You’re awakened to the smell of burning wood as you realize the house is on fire. To continue playing please pay $2.99”.
I'm with Mizal in that she sounds like a good recruit for here. Plus, she knows how to use grammar and spelling. Also, this is quite amusing. How DARE she question why there's an option for a bi trans race-neutral furry teenage action hero. :)
The Cogheads actually defended themselves really well here, and I'd say they're probably right. None of them were against the idea of having stories where you needed a set gender if that mattered. When it comes to stories where that doesn't matter, like egalitarian fantasy worlds or whatever, they're right in the gender or race of the character not needing to matter, and thus the idea that you can choose what pronouns are used certainly doesn't take away from the story, and I suppose adds slightly more customization, however insignificant, so good for them.
They're right in how it's like customizing the appearance of a Skyrim character. Choosing how dark skinned my Orc will be won't have any effect on the story, but I'd prefer to have it then not.
As for the romance, I don't play much COG, so I suppose their might be a point to be made there.
Anyhow, I'll call this the Cogs being reasonable, until the point where they started censoring. But whatever.
Damn that place has changed. I wonder if I should use my years old account with my unpopular opinions. It use to be a much more technical place and not snowflake land. I wonder if the old threads I participated in there got deleted because I KNOW some of them would horrify this group of individuals.
I know some people still don't know how I didn't get myself banned or even flagged over there, but yeah it was a lot less 1984 over there back in its beginning days.
Probably the worst of the bunch back then was someone called ScarletGeisha (She disappeared though) who would just be the average triggered CoGite nowadays as opposed to one of the REALLY fanatical ones.
The beginning of when it looked like things were really changing over there was when they banned the resident "right wing" guy who often disagreed with a lot of their ideology. (Argued with Geisha a lot actually) Sort of spiraled from there.
There was a guy called Laguz who was basically ScarletGeisha on hormone injections, that was derailing everything into a gender/aspie debate. I believe they actually ended up banning him mainly due to it becoming a real problem with him even attacking other LGBT people for not being fanatical enough, plus his antics were the cause of the genderless robot thread and they probably figured due to all the mockery that incited over here, it might actually be beneficial to NOT have a guy like that as one of their representative members.
Thank you for the history lesson, professor.
Sounds like an interesting line-up they had there.
... Changing the subject again, I just thought I'd share with you guys that I've just discovered that Ryder is the literal definition of Assburgers on Urban Dictionary. ^_^
Spooks making LiveJournal posts about how they have sex with their pets, act shocked when people turn them in to the FBI, and then feign mental defect as an excuse to make their behavior okay.
Dweebs who act shocked and feign mental defect as an excuse after they get banned from Internet forums after making death threats against the forum moderators.
It's weird how well that actually describes him. Throw in a Messiah-complex and you've basically got a Ryder.
I we using Ryder as a descriptor now? For example is it okay to say "That was very Ryder of you" on the forums? Because that probably will make the troll happy.
Hmm... Let's see... "Guys, don't pick on the new kid, he's got Ryder syndrome!" ... Nah, doesn't really inspire sympathy, except for the individual's unfortunate family pets.
In a way, Ryder has won. If I had a pound for every time I heard that name in this forum...
Personally, I think it's the devotion to the cause that impresses me. The million and one alt accounts, the adorable attempts at hacking, the Anonymous style youtube videos, and now, actually taking time out of his day to try and stir up drama with another website that already doesn't like us. That's some real dedication. ^_^
Wow, this is impressive even for COG. Usually you just get the standard; Male, Female, Trans, Non-binary selection. Actually giving the player the option to choose their own pronouns, the script must be like 90% coding.
That said, I can't help but find these choices extremely offensive, as they don't include an option for other-kin characters. I mean seriously, how hard is it? "I use woof/howl when it comes to that and my cub calls me Alpha." Seriously, what a bunch of bigots.
Edit: Out of curiosity, what game is this?
Actually, no. That's the strange part. From what I've seen on COG, people want to be able to choose whether their character is trans, but they don't want that choice to effect the game in any way... Like, if they choose to be a trans-woman, the rest of the game would play out exactly the same as if they're a cis-woman. Any kind of discrimination from bullies or villains in the game is really discouraged, because it might "trigger" people... You know, 'cos all the best villains are super tolerant and inclusive. ^_^
and do nothing Evil. Also the sky is full of sunshine and people shit rainbows...Isn't the world wonderful.
What a bunch of fucking faggots.
Well, at least the lot of them are. I enjoy quite a few Choice of Games games and a few WIPs have piqued my interest, but the people there get so butt hurt so easily that it's just ridiculous.
I actually have an account there (haven't been banned yet), and on one WIP your character is a twin, and someone asked if the twin would always be the same gender as you even if you were trans/non-binary or something similar. So I point out "twins are always of the same gender", then someone else says some bullshit about how gender and sex are different or something. So even the smallest things can be turned into a debate over gender/sexual orientation/some other SJW shit over there.
I mean, I have no problem with LGBT people, but the fact that the most vocal of them are baby back bitches who get triggered over the stupidest shit pisses me the fuck off. CoG is filled with that group and caters to them, and it's just baffling.
TL;DR: Chris has a love hate relationship with Choice of Games.
Twins aren't always the same gender depending on whether or not they are Identical or Fraternal. Identical is a hard no but if they are Fraternal than sure they can be.
Right, in my tiredness I forgot to mention that.
The twin in the WIP was supposed to be an identical twin, IIRC, so of course they'd be the same gender.
I want to learn more about your past, Chris. :l
Admin. Penalty - Insulting non-binary people by saying their self image is a mental disorder. I don't care if you believe that, don't say it here.
Is there something you want to tell us, perhaps?
Lol. I remember that.
This is another reason why Bad Mod Kiel needed to go. He was trying to turn this place into CoG lite.
It's a good thing his master plan crumbled all around him, then. There are some who say that you can still hear the hollowed and echoed cries of his co-conspirators in the gallows at night in the CYS kingdom. Really spooky stuff.
Meh. What he said couldn't have been that bad, if he only got docked 15 points.
Edit: Actually strike that. I was only docked 10 points for saying that AIDs was God's way of punishing the fags and the niggers.
I made a joke about non-binary people being insane, and yep, Kiel docked me points for it.
Shit, I made a joke about Endeavour and Bad Mod Kiel docked me points for it.
At the risk of being labeled an SJW fag... They were actually right. If you've got two, identical twins, one of them could be a trans-woman and the other could be a cis-male. In fact, it's probably more likely than having both the twins be trans-gender.
Generally if you stick to some of the rare non-gender/orientation/race writing related topics, it's usually somewhat bearable. Those are the ones I tend to browse if I'm looking to seriously post anywhere on there.
Yeah, the Cogites were right, dipshit. I mean, it's weird they cared enough about the gender to ask although not surprising, but you're the one who is clearly wrong.
They asked if you were playing a trans character, would your identical twin be the same gender as you. In other words, if you were a male-born girl, would your identical twin be a normal dude? You responding with "Twins are always of the same gender" is clearly wrong, because Laverne Cox had her identical twin brother play her pre-transition in Orange is the New Black, because they're different genders.
So yeah, you can call them bitches, which they are, but this is just an example of you being retarded and not understanding the question.
It's just occurred to me how much nicer it looks over at CoG, website-wise. Say what you will about their tolerant intolerance and extreme reactions to minor offenses, that's one cracking logo.
Agreed, they do have that going for them. Thank goodness we've got soul, right?
Just a thought, but is there really no one here who could take a crack at the website? To clarify, I'm completely clueless on a very fundamental level when it comes to web design so criticizing the state of things is the very furthest thing from my mind, and I appreciate that time and effort are two very precious things.
But. That being said. Isn't this the sort of thing that could take on a competition-style, one-improvement-at-a-time sort of doodad? A funky logo here, a page layout there, that sort of thing.
Again, I'm happy with what we've got and it's a great place to be. All I'm suggesting is maybe it's time to browse some new furniture.
I imagine there are probably more than a couple people here that could fix stuff around here if given the chance, the problem is everything has to be accessed directly from alexp along with the various permissions to make any major changes and he tends to be busy. Currently JJJ’s the only one with that level of clearance and he’s not around much either.
So... Writing a game on COG is fun! >.<
They've got a competition I'm hoping on entering, and one of the criteria that the judges rate the game on is inclusivity, so I've gone out of my way to make the game as inclusive and politically correct as possible. As such, I've given the player the option to play as one of five genders, male, female, transgender male, transgender female and non-binary. I also presented these options in the most politically correct, inoffensive and uncontroversial way I could think of. The options are:
Seems pretty PC, right? Nobody's going to be offended by that. ^_^
... Well, apparently, my completely inoffensive options just aren't inoffensive enough. >.<
"Just a suggestion, but for the initial gender choice you may want to consider “I was assigned male at birth, but I’m a girl” and cut the “I identify as” language for trans characters. Similar for non-binary characters – “I’m not a boy or a girl” instead of “I don’t identify as male or female”. ETA: You also probably want your stats screen to say either: “Gender: Transgender Male” (if character is trans) vs “Gender: Cisgender Male” (if character is cis) or just “Gender: Male” (for both). Instead of “Gender: Transgender Male” (if character is trans) vs “Gender: Male” (if character is cis)"
... ... ... Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go and repeatedly bash my head against a wall and wallow in self-loathing for the hateful, intolerant bigot that I am.
True, very true, it's my own fault for trying not to offend anybody on a site where it's completely impossible not to offend anybody.
To be fair, the guy was actually nice about it and later said that he appreciated that I included the option at all, so that was nice... Still, I do feel like making an effort to be inclusive on COG has a tendency to get you into more trouble than if you didn't make any effort at all.
What frustrates me to no end is that, up until this point, everybody seemed fine with the options as they were. But now that one person has mentioned it, lots of other people are backing him up and suggesting I change them, even though they presumably read the options before and didn't see any problem with them... And from now on, I just know that the entire forum thread is going to be nothing but people trying to convince me to change the options and I really, really don't want to. >.<
It's a hivemind I swear to god.
Everybody likes money. Money is shiny. ^_^
Honestly, one of the reasons I'd prefer to leave the options as they are is that COGs often get a lot of hate and down votes on Google Play from a bunch of the more conservative players. One game in particular has a rather low rating and lots of one star reviews because the game included a non-binary character.
The reviews included such open minded and intellectual opinions as:
"Non binary. You are a boy or a girl. How is this concept so hard to understand. Don't believe this new age propaganda, it's a mental disorder caused by a traumatic event or an imbalance in chemicals in the body. Bad game!"
"You'll only enjoy if you're a brainless sjw robot. The story really feels the need to be politically correct. PS there are only two genders."
"Another sjw trash. From the very start it already force fed me with non-binary gender propaganda garbage. I thought Russians are supposed to be conservative?"
And the extremely insightful:
"The only people who gave this game a 5 star are the creeps who think you can choose your gender. I wish they could stick to the two gender idea. I mean there were no transgender freaks in fairytales."
While I honestly find these triggered conservative snowflakes more annoying than the "Everything is offensive unless it's worded in a REALLY particular way" SJWs, I also don't want to get a bunch of negative reviews and one star ratings that'll most likely affect the sales of the game. Saying, "Non-binary people don't identify as male or female" is an indisputable fact that people can't argue with.
They are fun to read! (Though the guy who pointed out that Russians are supposed to be conservative did have a point. The poor kid would've probably been snatched from his parents and thrown in a padded room for the rest of his life.)
The game is called Demon Mark: A Russian Saga, if you want to know. I assure you, there's more. ^_^
You know what I find really ironic, is that CoG seems really inclusive of everybody, and yet, my autistic friend would probably get banned at the speed of light...
No, they seem pretty inclusive of autistic people. I get your point though. Basically, they're really, really, really inclusive and respectful of everyone's opinion... Unless your opinion is different from theirs, then you get banned for 200 years. >.<
Well you see, he has an IQ of 155, and he's incredibly smart, but he sorta has strong opinions on trans people. Like, along the lines of, "If you have a dick, you're a guy."
lol I bet fiddy CYSbucks wizzy's aspie friend took an online IQ test
Depends on the autist. A lot of the autist over there seem to also identify as some variation of LGBT so while they tend to still be a bunch of social cripples, their opinion matches the CoG ideology so they're golden.
If you're talking about an autist of the CYS variety like say Danaos, yeah, they're going to get banned.
I don't know, that one kid who was constantly ranting about how much he hated all cis people eventually got banned... But that was only for 2 years.
Just stumbled across this on youtube... It made me happy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__l6alNQsnI
I wonder if I can get, "I'm the self-righteous, liberal douchebag, not you!" as my epitaph. ^_^
