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Classics with the Theme of Achieving Greatness

one month ago
So I think the thing that makes a classic a classic is that it deals with a profound theme. But I can't really recall any where the thing that's explored is the journey to achieve greatness and the pitfalls that come with it. The sacrifices that might have to be made. Even if the message of the book is critical to this mindset, for example a book where the message is that you should enjoy the simple things in life. I think the Queen's Gambit TV show is close to the idea I'm trying to express? I also feel like this idea is close to a coming of age story, but not quite. I'm not familar enough with the classics, but I'd like to know of any kind of centered around this idea. I read The Contender in middle school and that was a really great book that deals with this idea as well.

Classics with the Theme of Achieving Greatness

one month ago
Aehm, if you mean theme as is theme, instead of plot, it is all over the place. But just to mention one example think of Lord of the Rings. Consider:
- Frodo's inititial
- Galadriel's warnings about ambition,
- Boromir's betrayal,
- Gandalf's speech
- The price of Frodo's success
- Sam's perseverance (and him secretly being the main protagonist)
The theme of greatness / ambition and the role of the simple life and ordinary people are certainly a theme.



Classics with the Theme of Achieving Greatness

one month ago
You might like the red badge of courage, that's a classic I always find myself coming back to every so often

Classics with the Theme of Achieving Greatness

one month ago

The Wire. Scarface. The Godfather. The Sopranos. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. Dance With the Devil by Immortal Technique. Avatar: the Last Airbender.

And, um, Eternal.

Classics with the Theme of Achieving Greatness

one month ago
I do actually really like Breaking Bad and BCS, they do fit this really well. Eternal is really good. Though what I'm shocked about is I can't name any classics with this theme, it feels like it'd be really common.

Classics with the Theme of Achieving Greatness

one month ago
MacBeth

Classics with the Theme of Achieving Greatness

one month ago

More:

Game of Thrones.

The Menu.

Classics with the Theme of Achieving Greatness

one month ago
The Man Who Would Be King


I don't think you're going to find much that depicts the idea as a positive thing, it's a pretty common motivation for villains though, or to illustrate some other tragic downfall.

Classics with the Theme of Achieving Greatness

one month ago
This morning it also occurred to me that Hamilton fits this theme really well too. It doesn't need to be painted positively, but I'd like the protagonist to be the embodiment of it. Macbeth might be sort of what I'm looking for, though I haven't read it. I was reading Steven King's On Writing and he talked about how most authors use the same couple of themes over and over, because for him he's defining theme as "the reason for writing the story" and the main thing being explored, and he says that for him there's only a few kinds of these themes that are powerful enough to power entire novels. Which is really interesting to me, because it makes a lot of sense. I really like stories exploring this message, and Hamilton might be the best example I can come up with? I'm just surprised it isn't done more, especially in classics since their whole thing is exploring profound ideas.

Classics with the Theme of Achieving Greatness

one month ago
Man when you discover Joseph Campbell it's going to blow your mind.

Classics with the Theme of Achieving Greatness

one month ago
Obviously big naratology name. Are his novels good as well? Strangely these things don't always go together. Any particular recommendation?

Classics with the Theme of Achieving Greatness

one month ago
Achilles from the Troy movie seems to be motivated by the idea of achieving immortality through glory. That movie as a whole juggles a lot of other themes too though.