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I think it is the first nail in the coffin for free speech. 

Not everyone wants to be asked a question you cis white male

#tumblr4dayz

*gasp* how did you know i white?

Everyone is “White by default”

Someone like Coins for example would be described by his Asian origins.

Now some would say, that description adds nothing to the conversation, but I disagree since now one can make obvious racist jokes for amusement purposes.

Not me though, I just stick to his mom. (And also stick it IN his mom. OH!)

Even better if his mum is a disabled, black, Jewish lesbian. ^_^

You can tell coins is Asian because of his awesome hat!

Never thought you'd bring the hat here.

Free speech doesn't mean you get to say what you like without consequence. If you say something "un-politically incorrect", you're allowed by law to say it; that doesn't mean you're immune to the consequences of your action.

That's the way free speech has always been.

Uhh, I don't think "You can say what you like but we're allowed to punish you if we don't like what you say" is what "free speech" means. 

Free speech means you can't be legally punished for just any shit you say. It would be restrictive of one's freedom of speech, however, if you could not be judged for what you say on a social level.

Basically it means, you're free to go into a gay white supremacist bar and call them a bunch of Nazi faggots, but you can't be surprised when they kick your ass soon afterwards.

This reminds me of a south park episode where cartman made a circle around him where he was standing his ground. It was hilarious.

Also, "first amendment rights" only applies to the government.  

You can't be prosecuted by the government for saying things they don't like.  You can be fired from your job, or banned from a restaurant, have your posts deleted from a forum, etc.

double post glitch *erase please*

Who is "we"? Freedom of speech only protects you from the government. 

I agree so much about the writer part. When it comes to creative works, I think people need to realise that not everything should be taken at face value or even regarded as being the actual viewpoint of the creator of said work. Even if it is the creator's real opinion, I think expressing difficult or controversial topics through stories/poems/songs, etc. should be allowed.

I'm not sure how I feel about the moral of the story. While I can agree with some of it, I do think people can be put in situations where they feel the "wrath of social justice" even while being perfectly reasonable. Coins mentioned Tumblr and I think that's a good example of masses of people who think they're doing the right thing by pouncing on a few individuals who dare disagree. It can have serious consequences too when it gets to the stage where they doxx people.

Actually it wasn't a reference to any particular story. While I might have had some storygames from this site on my mind when I wrote that, Necromancer certainly wasn't one of them!

Tumblr is a blogging website which is designed for easy and convenient interaction between its millions of users. It's a recipe for some seriously dumb arguments. Of course it's not all crap, and I often see some very witty things screencapped from there, but Tumblr is often associated with the masses being idiots. Doxxing is where people out each other on the Internet by finding out their personal details through underhand means and then publicly revealing them. It could potentially lead to real life harassment and such. So you were right about the killer-sheep-bees.

Actually the more I think about it, the worse that "social justice" sounds. It sounds like a mob beating up the wrongly accused or lynching a black man.

Oh that. I thought it sounded Endmaster-ish, but I was thinking more Suzy's Strange Saga.

Sort of a throw away line really, since it's when I still had the idea to make Necromancer with more comedic elements (Like a whole path involving him just raising his dead girlfriend and trying to keep it a secret while she's going around killing people, etc) but I ended up going the apocalyptic route instead.

There's a time and a place for political correctness. In certain situations I don't think you should just say anything you want all the time, anywhere, as long as there's some sort of other platform or situation where you can speak your mind (within reason).

By "within reason" I mean that certain things you say can have serious consequences. Perjury, slander, false fire alarms, threats of violence or hate speech advocating violence are all examples of this. I don't think it's unreasonable to legally enforce against saying things of this nature. With CYS this was a controversial topic, but in the end it was agreed that we can't just allow anyone to say anything they like. People have been banned from this site for saying things like "people like you should be killed", which I think is fair enough.

Who's stopping you from going outside and saying what ever you want? The answer is not the government.

So are you saying that pornography does indeed suck? I don't see how his logic is flawed at all. There will always be a subsect of something who's actions are frowned upon by the majority, so how does that make the majority inherently flawed?

It's not like people haven't been relabelling stuff for the past...forever, actually.  It's not that different from any other time period changing their words to what they believe was more correct at the time.

Lol, free speech has gone through worse anyway.  No need to worry.

Same. I als feel we're becoming a nation full of crybabies aswell.

I was brought up being told if you dont like what someone says to bad nut up and deal with it , now a days people actually give a rats ass what total strangers say...

Nail in the coffin of free speech? That's ridiculous man. I don't agree with everything about political correctness, but nobody is getting dragged away in the middle of the night for saying "niggers suck lol"

I think it completely depends on your intention and delivery. If you're a flaming bigot, then it's going to be a greater offense then if you're a comedian. Personally, I don't care for political correctness, even as a minority. Unless you're harassing someone, say what you will. Once in every blue moon someone will be offended, but that's just a blemish on the vast canvas of possibilities that come with offensive humor.

And let me remind you that the constitution of the United States has lasted for over two centuries. There's no way that the lunatics on Tumblr will tear it down.

Whoever talked about tearing down the Constitution. People talk about amendment. Ya know, change. Necessary change. The abolishment of slavery for one example.

The initial post talks about Freedom of Speech, which is part of the Bill of Rights, which is an integral part of the constitution of the United States. I would say something along the lines of "educate yourself" here, but I'll refrain from doing that because I scrolled up and saw that you supported Tumblr or something.

If you didn't know, freedom of speech isn't exclusive to America.

And why refrain from saying 'educate yourself'? I thought you were all for freedom of speech. Clearly you're the one who hasn't taken the time or effort to educate themselves. After all, a platform used by millions of people from all walks of life is the one-dimensional shithole of teenage angst.

I realize that Freedom of Speech isn't exclusive to America, but the comment that I made, that you replied to, was clearly talking about the American constitution. Also, I didn't say it (by "it" I mean "educate yourself") because I personally don't want to exercise my freedoms in a way that actively harms other people. That's against my moral code.

Anyway, people who support Tumblr tend to be more...sensitive than most.

Hmm. Shadow_Strider in no way mentioned the Constitution, or even America to be frank. I really don't know where you got that from.

And whoo, your moral code. I guess it doesn't apply when you classify millions of people as 'the lunatics on Tumblr'. Quite hypocritical but of course, not arguing against people being free to say what they think. But I'm suggesting that what you say leads me to believe that you're a judgemental person.

Doesn't matter if Shadow didn't mention the constitution. I did, and you were replying to my comment. I think the constitution is totally applicable in this situation, because many countries in the Western world have a similar set-up with their governments. 

Also, Tumblrettes are individuals that I have absolutely no respect for, therefore they exist outside of my moral barometer. Do I even consider them to be people? I'm not quite sure. Many of them self-identify as "otherkin". Therefore, my actions were not hypocritical at all. It is my moral code after all, not your perception of what my moral code should be.

I still don't understand where you get the destruction of the Constitution from. 'And let me remind you that the constitution of the United States has lasted for over two centuries.' Who are you reminding? No one mentioned anything like that in this thread. The topic of the Constitution is completely applicable, but an immediate assumption that the thread was referring to Tumblr and how it will destroy all freedom of speech is backward and not relevant.

First off, you begin by refraining yourself from accusing me of being uneducated because I am a 'Tumblrette' and because you don't want to insult me because of your moral code. Next, you talk about having no respect for people who use Tumblr because they are outside of your moral code. I think this is a little hypocritical (by a little, I mean a lot). I'm not trying to define your moral code. I was assuming you were being hypocritical based off of what you were saying. Two completely different things.

Also, thank you :D Check out Bradin's profile. I'm not very good at programming languages and all that.

Yeah, asshole! The term you're supposed to use is "Tumblrina"!

^That's the one!
 

Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned.

(Tumblrette is a legitimate term, though. Urban Dictionary says so.)

I think Tumblrina would suit what you're trying to say more though. Tumblrette just refers to a basic white girl who has a Tumblr blog

I s'pose so.

I still don't understand where you get the destruction of the Constitution from. 'And let me remind you that the constitution of the United States has lasted for over two centuries.' Who are you reminding? No one mentioned anything like that in this thread.

Fair enough, but I'm safely assuming that the majority of the individuals on this website are from the United States. (Actually, that's a fact.) Since the constitution is familiar ground to most people on this website, I think it's fair to discuss it in this thread. Usually if an American mentions Freedom of Speech, they are indirectly referring to the constitution of their country.

The topic of the Constitution is completely applicable, but an immediate assumption that the thread was referring to Tumblr and how it will destroy all freedom of speech is backward and not relevant.

If you scroll up you will see that there is a conversation about a Tumblr (which you were a part of), and I was referencing that.

First off, you begin by refraining yourself from accusing me of being uneducated because I am a 'Tumblrette' and because you don't want to insult me because of your moral code.

I thought the part about not insulting you because you're a Tumblrette was very clearly a joke...

...and think many of the people who use the platform to be furries. You may be referring to Wattpad?

I've personally never experienced such absurdities on my many years using Wattpad. Also, otherkin and furries are two completely different things.

I was assuming you were being hypocritical based off of what you were saying. Two completely different things.

No...no I wasn't saying two completely different things, because one of them was a joke.

I don't see how conversations about Tumblr and conversations about the Constitution automatically leads to a comment on the destruction of the Constitution by Tumblr users.

I presume you've experienced many otherkin on your many many years of using Tumblr then... (And I know that they're two very different things ^.^ It's a bit of an inside joke on CYS now, but it wasn't relevant so pay no mind to it). The other things are fair game since you've said that refraining from insulting people is only a joke. Proceed with the insults!

On a side note, I love how in the link Japan's floating somewhere in the Pacific Ocean and where Japan is supposed to be, there's high traffic from the US. Also, China and North Korea are definitely planning on forming into one super Communist party XD

I don't see how conversations about Tumblr and conversations about the Constitution automatically leads to a comment on the destruction of the Constitution by Tumblr users.

I don't understand how you can't grasp the idea of building upon a conversation.

I presume you've experienced many otherkin on your many many years of using Tumblr then... (And I know that they're two very different things ^.^ It's a bit of an inside joke on CYS now, but it wasn't relevant so pay no mind to it).

What a stale inside joke, then. (Sorry, I just really like the word stale, and I wanted to use it at some point.) Also, I said I've used Wattpad for many years, not Tumblr. I've cruised through Tumblr for a year or so (cumulatively). 

The other things are fair game since you've said that refraining from insulting people is only a joke. Proceed with the insults!

I never said my statement about not wanting to insult people was a joke, I'm saying that I don't mind insulting Tumblrettes, who, like I mentioned, often don't even consider themselves to be people. That's why they, specifically, are fair game.

Could you possibly link me to Bradin's profile? I can't find it for the life of me.

There was no conversation to begin with that connected 'destruction of the Constitution' with 'Tumblr'.

Do you mean to say that you have no respect for otherkin? Because having no respect for people who just happen to use a social platform is very different to that. And you may have just been browsing the otherkin tag if that's all you're getting from Tumblr lol /(^-^)/ (though really, there are otherkin everywhere)

Rawr

There was no conversation to begin with that connected 'destruction of the Constitution' with 'Tumblr'.

Building on a conversation implies that you introduce new, relavent ideas to a conversation that could have been mildly touched on before.

Do you mean to say that you have no respect for otherkin? Because having no respect for people who just happen to use a social platform is very different to that.

By not respecting otherkin, I'm basically not respecting the entire population of Tumblr.

I tried to type down a response but I genuinely don't know if you're trolling or not right now. If you are, well done(?)

Tumblr uses a similar system to Twitter where you search things you're interested in and follow people whose content you like. I assume if all you've seen for a year is otherkin content, you must've been searching up otherkin content.

I wasn't trolling about anything I said in regards to Freedom of Speech, but I was taking the whole Tumblr situation in a light-hearted manner. And trust me, I wasn't searching up otherkin content. I was mostly hanging out in the Atheism and fandom-based sectors of the website. I actually avoid otherkin and social justice tags on Tumblr at all costs.

Oh I see, have you tried searching up Oh Wonder? Fan-based blogs are pretty cool for keeping up to date. I can see how searching up atheism would lead to otherkin though.
 

No I haven't looked up Oh Wonder. I mostly followed TV shows and I greatly appreciated the GIFs I found. 

That's one swagalicious profile.

There are some coding issues on that website. Unfortunately, their programmers aren't very "nerdy".

In other news, I love what you've done with your profile.

I have difficulty identifying sarcasm, so I'm going to take you seriously and shake my head whilst doing so.

We all do that when Bucky speaks. 

I think Bucky, like me, has given up on taking the world seriously. So, most of his commentary on politics, interpersonal relationships, or anything relating to the "real world" is likely facetious.

I think Political Correctness is just one of many possible ways of speaking and not a particularly popular one with the General Public. Personally I think the Scottish accent is a much bigger nail in the coffin as it's harder to understand which makes conversation, and by extension free speech, more challenging :) Political Correctness is just the language of Officialdom and can never match the language of texting, MSN, Twitter etc for popularity :P

You're a fucking ray of sunshine. 

I'm with you on this one, Will. I remember watching an interview by some Scottish poet who was trying to argue about the stupidity of all this emphasis in Britain of RP (received pronunciation) over local accents (such as Glaswegian, as this man was speaking in), and how the latter is judged negatively whilst the former is the 'proper way' to speak in everything from courtrooms to the news. I thought he had a point, but I could barely understand him because a thick Glaswegian accent is almost impenetrable and sounds almost like a different language from standard British English, or even any other forms of English I know.

I agree all opinions are valid however they're said but when I went to see my friend in Edinburgh I couldn't understand about 1 in 10 people and was never entirely sure if they were really happy or really angry about what they were saying :) Clarity is an important part of communication which partly explains why some accents and dialects are more popular, for example in China they're modernizing their writing style from Traditional to Simplified Chinese to make it easier for more people to read and write which is a bit like us inviting someone like Russell Brand or perhaps Van Diesel to read a modernized version of Shakespeare :P

Scottish is the only true accent. All the others are lame.

Vat?!?