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End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

So you think you’re hardcore and edgy enough to write a level 7 taboo breaking story on the maturity scale do you?

You farking wish!

Many people have come here thinking they can just splatter swear words on the page, write a few unimaginative sex descriptions and hit the publish button. If they’re ambitious, they might add a disgusting description of something that they probably saw on some shock site or the deep web, but that’s about the extent of their creativity.

Page after page of how the protagonist had non-consensual sex with various things while inserting various things inside themselves and swearing like a patient with Tourette’s Syndrome does not a story make.

It’s just farking stupid and everything you thought was funny and oh so clever is just going to get farking deleted by the mods because that’s what happens to crap stories around here.

Now assuming you aren’t just trolling for the lulz and really do want to be a hardcore writer, here’s everything you need to know about writing a mature story without it breaking the rules or being so crap that it gets deleted. Now pay attention, because I’m not farking repeating myself. (Unless you read this article multiple times)

Before we start getting to the meat, keep in mind that this is just a basic guide of this topic and is geared more towards new folks that have little to no experience.

I should also point out that at this time there is no level 8 maturity rating. I know it seems like there should be since the scale goes up to 8, but if there were a “level 8 story”, it would be breaking most of the rules on the site.

So level 7 is as hardcore as you can get and it’s farking enough because most new folks can’t even get that farking right in the first place.

Anyway, let’s get this one out of the way first because it’s the main one people ask about.

1. Sex

This isn’t a farking porn site; and you can’t just write a story where the main purpose is to describe people farking page after page. If you want to do that, you’ll just have to go elsewhere. We need an actual plot to these stories. Why? Because it makes us care more about the characters who are farking if there is some deeper meaning behind it. What can I say; we’re romantic that way.

Even if your story is love or dating related and a relationship is going to the main premise we still don’t need a blow-by-blow description of any actual act of sex. Sometimes less is more. So it’s suggested that you tastefully write a sex scene this way:

And then they kissed and spent a magical night together...

See? Very tasteful and the reader can imagine whatever they want in their demented heads.

However, I get it. You want to push the boundaries and be all controversial…well okay, you can a little bit.

And then as they embraced, she moaned in ecstasy and wrapped her legs around him like a boa constrictor as he thrust into her with the power of a bull elephant and they enjoyed their magical night together…

Slightly more graphic, but still tasteful. You aren’t going on a five-paragraph rant about the act and mentioning all those nasty bodily fluids and you still got the point across.

Going back to what was said earlier, it helps if you space out sex scenes and only include them when necessary to the story. After all sex scenes weren’t the whole point of the story and you DID have well-structured plot and developed characters, right?

Okay, moving on…

2. Violence

You’ve got a little more leeway here, especially depending on how descriptive you’re going to be. It isn’t so much how much violence you put into a story, it’s how you’re describing it.

For example, if you write a story where say thirty people can die and you explain each of those deaths like this:

He shoots the guard who collapses to the floor.

You’re pretty much in the clear.

Now if you wrote a story and only five people can die, but you explain each one of those deaths like this:

She screamed in agony when the chainsaw messily sliced into her vital organs. The masked maniac laughed as the fresh warm blood splattered all over him and the stench of her innards enveloped his smelling senses. This event was everything he dreamed about and he made his dream even better when he brutally plucked out her eye with a rusty spoon and popped it in his mouth enjoying the squishiness of the ocular jelly.

It’s at that stage where you’re getting graphic, and need to raise your maturity rating accordingly. Though I suppose that was the whole point, since you were the one trying to be hardcore and all. However there are still a few things to keep in mind.

Gore description are a little less disturbing to some if you write the particular scene in a ridiculous over the top way. It’s really going to depend on the overall tone of your story of whether this is going to work or not.

The other thing is sexual violence. Don’t just farking throw it in for the sake of throwing it in. If putting rape (of any kind) in your story is absolutely necessary from a story standpoint, then you do what you have to do, but it is still probably on the safer side to not go into great specifics about the actual act itself.

As the naked masked maniac loomed over her, she knew the unthinkable was about to happen and she was powerless to stop this monster from defiling her. All she could feel was sheer terror and hopelessness of her situation.

And end scene.

It got the point across and you didn’t need to go into the gruesome details.

Next one…

3. Controversial Subjects

The regular ol’ in-out and ultra v might be good enough for your average writer, but you want to be REALLY hardcore! You’re going to make a story about being a Nazi who enslaves poor kids from Africa for their child sex slave ring!

Yeah, better think again.

Unless you really think you’ve got what it takes to even approach certain subjects in an intelligent manner, you really should leave such things be, let alone attaching the main character to them. Last thing we need or want is a pedophile protagonist.

(And this shouldn’t need to be said, but I’m saying it anyway, for fark’s sake do NOT write a story with a farking pedophile protagonist)

The general rule of thumb here is don’t just include something taboo to be edgy. Actually have a good point to it and incorporate it into the plot of the story.

In general don’t glorify the subject either. We’ll use the Nazis as an example because they’re a safe villain and I don’t want to keep referencing “pedophiles” in this article.

Now say your protagonist has to go undercover as a Nazi to sabotage their work. Maybe he has to fit in as them to complete his cover and that might include doing something a little more than just bad mouthing Jews. He might actually have to kill a few. It might be either that or failing the mission (and possibly getting killed). Creates a nice little dilemma of choices for you to design for the protagonist.

From here you can also explore how farking horrible the death camp conditions are and the terrible shape the prisoners are in. You can also explore the possibility of how one of those guards isn’t just the usual master race loving, Hitler saluting Nazi. He’s just there because it’s the best way to support his family. He doesn’t particularly enjoy his job, but it’s either this or getting outright executed leaving nobody to support his family. The protagonist might even sympathize with this guy on a very minor level, but it doesn’t change the fact he’s the enemy and the protagonist can perhaps use the guard’s shaky dedication to Nazism to their advantage when it comes to choices.

My point is, this is all a somewhat reasonable way of approaching a setting like the Holocaust without being too distasteful about it.

Now the thing you’re going to have to keep in mind is if you are going to do a story surrounding a controversial subject, you’re going to get some people who are going to hate what you’ve done no matter what. Doesn’t matter how tasteful you approached the subject.

To that, there is no solution. You’re going to have to deal with people not liking you even if you’re writing a non-controversial story, so you better be double prepared for it if you’ve shoved stuff like incest and necrophilia in your story.

Hey, you’re the one who wanted to be hardcore.

Okay last, but not least...

4. Swearing

Really this one is pretty farking tame compared to the others, but I’m including it anyway since some still find “bad words” to be well… bad.

Mileage is going to vary in what is considered too much, but you probably should at least use the swears in a reasonable manner according to the story. If you’ve set your story in a crapsack world, then swearing is probably going to be more acceptable for example. Still, unless the characters are a bunch of criminals or something of that nature, they probably still shouldn’t be saying “Fark this and fark that.” every two farking words.

One thing you might want to keep in mind is that it isn’t so much what the characters say, but how they say it. A swear laden conversation can be amusing if done correctly. The more creative you use the swears the better off you’ll be.

And that’s probably all the main issues.

Now one last thing, if you dig around you can probably find a few stories which seem like they break the “rules” that I’ve just mentioned (Possibly even all of them) and are still rated highly.

My answer to that is, this isn’t an exact farking science, and it all depends on how well you write. There are other articles on here that can direct you better in that regard, but the better writer you are, the better you’re going to be able to judge just how far you can push the “boundaries” and still produce a well written story.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Figured since I can't publish this in the article section, I'll just post it on the forums. Yes, I used the word "fark" instead of fuck since I was trying to keep it clean for the article.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Don't a few of your storygames (ei. Sick love, very special CYS) violate this? 

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Reading is hard...

Now one last thing, if you dig around you can probably find a few stories which seem like they break the “rules” that I’ve just mentioned (Possibly even all of them) and are still rated highly.

My answer to that is, this isn’t an exact farking science, and it all depends on how well you write. There are other articles on here that can direct you better in that regard, but the better writer you are, the better you’re going to be able to judge just how far you can push the “boundaries” and still produce a well written story.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

I know that, I'm just saying some of your stories get a little.....graphic at times. Not that I don't like 'em, just it is kind of.....uncomfortable.

Not like that matters. xD

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago
Mason. Seriously. Reading isn't that bloody hard. Or fudge it, maybe it is.

"Reading is hard..."

"Now one last thing, if you dig around you can probably find a few stories which seem like they break the “rules” that I’ve just mentioned (Possibly even all of them) and are still rated highly.

My answer to that is, this isn’t an exact farking science, and it all depends on how well you write. There are other articles on here that can direct you better in that regard, but the better writer you are, the better you’re going to be able to judge just how far you can push the “boundaries” and still produce a well written story."

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Idk end I was hopng for a sexy scene with the robot in GZ. Could of gave at least a little foreplay.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Thought I was the only one

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Cheers End, it's a fine line.

I think of a scene from Odd Thomas, Dean Koontz, where the character (Odd) is searching a body. Suddenly it looks like it's going to speak, he backs the hell off and a big nasty spider crawls out.

I calmly put the book down, and sprayed the entire house with Mortein. Logically, it made no sense, but we weren't dealing with logic, but with fear and imagination now.

Hopefully, this advice gets put to good use, and I have to buy more Mortein.

In the same vein, look at some short horror movies on youtube. A decent one, will quickly grab the horror nerve and wiggle it about with good technique, rather then gore, swearing and nudity. A bad one, just throws shocks, jumpscares and other eye-rollingly obvious crap about, to poor effect.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Marvelous advice from one of the most decorated authors on this site ;) I had fun reading this, it was (almost) like you came out of your semi retirement for a brief moment.

Of course I'm kidding, ah. Forgive my sense of humo- actually I wasn't making a joke. But um this advice is quite helpful as it was humorous for me. To think I was seconds away from hovering my finger on the publish button to release my smut.. I'll think twice from now on. 

The smut part was a joke honestly.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Thanks for this useful info. This should totally be an article in the Help & Info section.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Pretty sure that was the intention?

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago
This is going to be buried with time.  Considering how helpful the advice, it really needs to be an article.  Just don't give up on it, please!

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Like I said, I tried several times to publish it, but the article submission thing isn't working, so I just posted it on the forums.

The only thing I can do is keep it saved on my computer.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago
You've mentioned it before.  I just felt the need to offer a bit of encouragement so you wouldn't think it had fallen on deaf ears.  Hopefully alexp can make this bug a priority (when he can find the time).

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

But what if you need to really, truly establish that there are no moral repercussions for casually drowning a goon or five in their own piss without anyone caring and your guy still being indubitably the hero? Would it be okay if you explained at some point that everyone in a certain building was a pedophile nazi murderer running an underage African sex slave ring?

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Good article End but I feel there were missed opportunities here to tally up how many edginess points each story receives and how much cooler and mature they automatically become by including things from each of these categories. I know I for one can barely even take a story seriously as anything but children's nonsense unless there are three to five rapes, six head explosions and at least one scene where a man is being force fed his own intestines.

To be fair though I hardly notice people trying to outdo themselves with the violence and depravity anymore, maybe instead we need a primer on incorporating realistic head explosions into stories about wolf cubs.   

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

This is quite frankly ridiculous. Every good author should have the Failed Ending path "1 of te bad guy jumpd on you and he rape you really hard and its really pianful" card in there tool box.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Beautiful.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

This is really good advice, and I like the detailed reasoning (not to mention common sense) behind them. If you don't mind, however, I've one question regarding the rating system (I still consider myself new to this site, so I apologize for the intrusion, just this article made me think of something:)

So I've read the ratings instructions article on its main page and I've seen the "5 = PG-13 movie, 6 = PG-13-R rated movie, 7 = R rated movie" aspect of it all, but taking that and this into account, at what "point" do you consider it an "R-rated movie"/7 level rating? (I'm thinking in context films rated R which I think under these guides would fit in with your rules? Such as Birdman.)

Actually carrying on with the Birdman analogy, Birdman (to me) seemed pretty tame, everything was understated and nothing was focused on for too long, but it was still rated R. Here you describe 7's as pushing their edginess, so if Birdman (or something done in that sense) were a storygame, would it be 7 or 6? (I suppose I'm more asking about what it is that pushes something into the hard-set R rating vs PG-13 to R. It's the "to" that I'm curious about.)

Summary:

In the PG-13 to R rating that makes something a 6, and the R rating that makes something a 7- where does the "to" end? Is it sheer amount of content of that kind? Or is it how that content is handled?

(Again, my apologies for the mass questioning.)

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

I believe something like Birdman would be a 6, and something like Berserk or From Dusk Till Dawn would be a 7. Understated R movies that just deal with heavy, adult themes would be 6, because I think that would mean it's just rated R. Something that's got tits and guts and says "fuck" all the fucking time would fit into 7. After all, it is labeled "Anything Goes"

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Alright, that makes more sense. I was curious if '7' could be constituted by just heavier adult themes, or if that's where the blurred line was between 6-7. Thank you.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Don't worry, though, no matter how foggy the ratings are, the mods can change it if it really doesn't fit.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

If you want to err on the side of caution, you could go ahead and rate it a 7. If you’ve written a level 6 story and rate it 7 you’re less likely to get complaints than the other way around. More people tend to complain about graphic content rather than the lack of it. (Though I’ve gotten the reverse on occasion)

If you really think you’ve written something pushing the boundaries, then you could also place a warning on the front page as well, along with the “Geared for Extremist” tag.

I probably should add all this to the article whenever the publish function is working again.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

When do we expect the publish function to be working again? That's something alex has to do, right?

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

It is working. You just have to try repeatedly, sometimes / some days it doesn't go through. All three of my articles required multiple attempts. (And if it goes through, a mod needs to be told because it's not one of the usual notifications.)

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Then I'm rolling snake eyes every time, because I'm always getting this error:

ADODB.Recordset error '800a0cc1'
Item cannot be found in the collection corresponding to the requested name or ordinal.
C:\WEBSITES\CHOOSEYOURSTORY\CHOOSEYOURSTORY.COM\HELP\ARTICLES\../../Includes/Components/Article.vbs, line 94

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Yep. That's the same one I got for a couple weeks on my last article. Though, with the first, it only took a few days, and my second... I can't remember if it was just several consecutive attempts in a day or what.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

I think it's still fair to say it's not working as intended, if this is the case, so hopefully alex moseys back on in and fixes it some day.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Of course it's fair to say that. xD And had that been what you said before, I would've agreed entirely, but it has been an issue for years now and yet many articles have been published in those years. Yeah... well, he did say he plans to do some work on the site this year. I just ... don't know what day. Or month.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Bird an was rated R? Up here in good ol' Canada it was rated 14+. So was Deadpool... surprisingly.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

It's because Deadpool was FROM Canada, silly!

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago
To be honest, Steve Jobs was rated R for mild language only. I don't really get the rating system in the US, it seems like the maturity rating levels are quite sensitive compared to most other countries. At least censorship isn't a thing ey.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago
The motion picture association doesn't really have hard rules for their ratings. If I recall correctly, they don't even explain what needs to edited when a film is trying to drop to the next lower rating. So directors can be left with a lot of guesswork.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

YES! *fist-pump* Holy shit, I actually fixed it! Endmaster, your article has been officially submitted and under your name. Congratulations.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Whoo! Now everyone can see the glory of The End!

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

About farking time. 

But thanks Kiel. I was still trying periodically to submit it, but the error was still popping up. Glad to see it finally got through.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Lol, well, I only got the means to poke around in this area of the site recently. (And sadly, by 'it', I only mean 'your article,' I had multiple blank copies from your past attempts and essentially re-purposed one--so basically, I found a work-around method.)

As a tip for future submissions (which I forgot a long time ago and only just remembered, sorry): Articles with long titles tend to have much more trouble getting through. I shortened yours to save it, then approved it under the full title afterward. :P

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

Awesome, thanks Kiel! Would've hated for the thread to just get buried.

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago

My pleasure. This is a topic that needed covering pretty badly, so I was really happy it worked out. :D

End Master’s Map to (Im)Mature Story Writing

8 years ago
Congrats to both of you!  See what can happen when you work as a team?

(Somebody else can do the cheer.  A pat on the back is all I can muster this morning.)