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The Comma, Debate

2 months ago

Can you point out some of the comma splices that you have found in Story A?

The Comma, Debate

2 months ago

Upon further inspection, I may have been overzealous in my declaration. I could've sworn they were there, but no apparently not. You've got me on that.

Also, after another look-through, I do see where he wraps his Bible so I'd like to withdraw that comment too

However, there still are a lot of commas in general

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2 months ago

There *are* a lot of commas, and most of them are employed quite skillfully, employing cumulative connections and generally mixing up sentence structures nicely to create an interesting prose rhythm.

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2 months ago

Gosh. I'm not qualified to disagree with you there.

However, I feel like there are actually farrrrr too many commas, with almost every sentence including at least one. For me that doesn't seem to mix up sentence structures at all. I also feel that this:

We were rounding the southern coast of Africa, and while we were due to stop in the port of Durban in a few days for some much needed supplies, I found myself praying more than a few times for something to break the utter blandness of hardtack and beer, the monotony of looking out at the horizon and seeing the same thing day after day.

should not be all one sentence. For me, it's harder to follow this way and becomes monotonous.

At first, the lightning and rain proved to be a welcome change, a way to relax as I lay across my cot, listening to the music of nature that our Lord had seen fit to create with his Hands.

This as well. I can see how someone could say it creates more of a lulling effect, but I personally don't like it. 
In this sentence:

With a growing panic, and not wishing to see my belongings strewn across the room, I seized my Holy Bible and my journal, and I wrapped them in cloth and crammed them in my jacket, as I blew out my lantern.

I feel like a parenthetical phrase would've helped to change up the structure in a new, different way. Also the comma after the word "jacket" feels like it shouldn't be there, as well as the second half of the sentence seeming tacked on when (in my personal opinion) should've been a sentence on its own.

Worried, and wishing to know what was happening, I hurried up to the top deck with all due expediency.

Here, the comma after "worried" isn't necessary, unless I'm incorrect there.

 

In summary, maybe it wasn't always particularly "wrong" per se, but it's definitely not a style I appreciate (and it comes off as sloppy and lazy to me). If it wasn't ever sentence I wouldn't have a problem, but it basically is.

The Comma, Debate

2 months ago

We needn't argue what sounds good to us, but most of those are perfectly ordinary cumulatives.

We were rounding the southern coast of Africa, and while we were due to stop in the port of Durban in a few days for some much needed supplies, I found myself praying more than a few times for something to break the utter blandness of hardtack and beer, the monotony of looking out at the horizon and seeing the same thing day after day.

That structure is perfectly natural and so ordinary in good literature as to be completely unworthy of notice.  In fact, your own sentence, "However, I feel like there are actually farrrrr too many commas, with almost every sentence including at least one" is pretty much a flavor of cumulative sentence structure.  Doesn't it sound nice to say "...too many commas, with almost every sentence including at least one"?

 

As opposed to

"there are actually farrrrr too many commas; almost every sentence includes at least one"

or

"there are actually farrrrr too many commas, and almost every sentence includes at least one"

or

"there are actually farrrrr too many commas.  Almost every sentence includes at least one."

 

Once you get the cumulative sentence structure under your skin, you'll see it everywhere, its insidious sound getting right under your skin.

The Comma, Debate

2 months ago

Like I said, if it wasn't every sentence I wouldn't even point it out

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2 months ago

I quite like where the commas are placed In those sentences. It feels like it would follow the natural speech pattern of a real human speaking the words. Although you did have the same issue with my comma usage in your story review on the one I made. 

 

Or maybe I just like breathing. I feel like you must read at a very fast, so lots of commas can get annoying for you. 

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2 months ago

Maybe I just have a thing about commas. I swear I use them, too. All the time. There's just so many other ways to form sentences; I feel like commas are so boring (especially when used so often).

I dunno. It feels... bad.

The Comma, Debate

2 months ago
I don't have an opinion on these commas, but just pointing out also that just like dialogue, a journal entry by a character within the story (as opposed to disembodied author narration) might be intentionally a certain way to give them a more distinctive voice.

The Comma, Debate

2 months ago

I'd also like to point out that in the sentence you quoted from the story, the last phrase (ab monotony) seems to modify the word beer. Imo it's a misplaced modifier and I think if some of the sentences were more split up it'd be easier to make the intended meaning of the sentence clear.

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2 months ago

whoa there... monotony does not modify or describe beer - blasphemy.  Beer is awesome.

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2 months ago


What was the question again?

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2 months ago

Not sure. I got distracted by beer.

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2 months ago


The distinctive 'UCLA comma' and 'Michigan comma' are a long string of commas at the start and end of the sentence respectively.

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2 months ago

Holy smokes there's lore

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2 months ago
Ugh, reposting this, the one I had replied to was the one comma complaint left outside of the reply chain. Now, everyone observe as I snap Fresh's brain in half like fragile blown glass:
IT WAS THE BEST of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way—in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only. There were a king with a large jaw‚ and a queen with a plain face, on the throne of England; there were a king with a large jaw‚ and a queen with a fair face, on the throne of France. In both countries it was clearer than crystal to the lords of the State preserves of loaves and fishes, that things in general were settled for ever. It was the year of Our Lord one thousand seven hundred and seventy-five. Spiritual revelations were conceded to England at that favoured period, as at this. Mrs. Southcott had recently attained her five-and-twentieth blessed birthday, of whom a prophetic private in the Life Guards had heralded the sublime appearance by announcing that arrangements were made for the swallowing up of London and Westminster. Even the Cock-Lane ghost had been laid only a round dozen of years, after rapping out its messages, as the spirits of this very year last past (supernaturally deficient in originality) rapped out theirs. Mere messages in the earthly order of events had lately come to the English Crown and People from a congress of British subjects in America: which, strange to relate, have proved more important to the human race than any communications yet received through any of the chickens of the Cock-Lane brood. France, less favoured on the whole as to matters spiritual than her sister of the shield and trident, rolled with exceeding smoothness downhill, making paper money and spending it. Under the guidance of her Christian pastors, she entertained herself, besides, with such humane achievements as sentencing a youth to have his hands cut off, his tongue torn out with pincers, and his body burned alive, because he had not kneeled down in the rain to do honour to a dirty procession of monks which passed within his view, at a distance of some fifty or sixty yards. It is likely enough that‚ rooted in the woods of France and Norway, there were growing trees, when that sufferer was put to death, already marked by the Woodman, Fate, to come down and be sawn into boards, to make a certain movable framework with a sack and a knife in it, terrible in history. It is likely enough that‚ in the rough outhouses of some tillers of the heavy lands adjacent to Paris, there were sheltered from the weather‚ that very day, rude carts, bespattered with rustic mire, snuffed about by pigs, and roosted in by poultry, which the Farmer, Death, had already set apart to be his tumbrels of the Revolution. But‚ that Woodman and that Farmer, though they work unceasingly, work silently, and no one heard them as they went about with muffled tread: the rather, forasmuch as to entertain any suspicion that they were awake was to be atheistical and traitorous. In England there was scarcely an amount of order and protection to justify much national boasting. Daring burglaries by armed men, and highway robberies‚ took place in the capital itself every night; families were publicly cautioned not to go out of town without removing their furniture to upholsterers’ warehouses for security; the highwayman in the dark was a City tradesman in the light, and, being recognised and challenged by his fellow-tradesman whom he stopped in his character of “the Captain,” gallantly shot him through the head and rode away; the mail was waylaid by seven robbers, and the guard shot three dead, and then got shot dead himself by the other four, “in consequence of the failure of his ammunition:” after which the mail was robbed in peace; that magnificent potentate, the Lord Mayor of London, was made to stand and deliver on Turnham Green by one highwayman, who despoiled the illustrious creature in sight of all his retinue; prisoners in London gaols fought battles with their turnkeys, and the majesty of the law fired blunderbusses in among them, loaded with rounds of shot and ball; thieves snipped off diamond crosses from the necks of noble lords at Court drawing-rooms; musketeers went into St. Giles’s, to search for contraband goods, and the mob fired on the musketeers, and the musketeers fired on the mob, and nobody thought any of these occurrences much out of the common way. In the midst of them, the hangman, ever busy and ever worse than useless, was in constant requisition; now, stringing up long rows of miscellaneous criminals; now, hanging a housebreaker on Saturday who had been taken on Tuesday; now, burning people in the hand at Newgate by the dozen, and now burning pamphlets at the door of Westminster Hall; to-day, taking the life of an atrocious murderer, and to-morrow of a wretched pilferer who had robbed a farmer’s boy of sixpence. All these things, and a thousand like them, came to pass in and close upon the dear old year one thousand seven hundred and seventy-five. Environed by them, while the Woodman and the Farmer worked unheeded, those two of the large jaws, and those other two of the plain and the fair faces, trod with stir enough, and carried their divine rights with a high hand. Thus did the year one thousand seven hundred and seventy-five conduct their Greatnesses, and myriads of small creatures—the creatures of this chronicle among the rest—along the roads that lay before them.

The Comma, Debate

2 months ago

"Like fragile blown glass" I don't know why this is so funny to me. 

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2 months ago
I have no commaent

The Comma Likes Ogre

2 months ago
I like the comma almost as much as I like the Ogre

The Comma Likes Ogre

2 months ago
I am sure the comma appreciates that as much as I do

The Comma, Debate

2 months ago
I like Ogre.

The Comma Likes Ogre

2 months ago

That is a solid statement. You got my vote.

The Comma Likes Ogre

2 months ago

I like commas, Ogre, and beer