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Hello , brother 

I don't know what your discussion is about.

But I feel it is my duty to defend my country against the rumors being spread about it.

 

About the 1979 Revolution:

The reason you use words like "regime" is probably due to the intense negative propaganda by Western media against Iran's current official government. I see you as an innocent audience who has viewed the facts of the revolution era through the lens of BBC and Voice of America and the like.

 

About feminists:

Unlike in the West, there is no powerful feminist movement in Iran that could have played any role in the revolution or claim ownership over it—unless BBC Persian, citing "supposedly independent sources," has imagined a massive population of feminists.

 

About the executions:

Every government, after coming to power, executes its armed opponents who either unfairly seek a share of power or work to destroy the revolution. But these executions were not because of their beliefs, but because of their weapons. And they were not as numerous or as catastrophic as Western media claim.

If you want to verify what I’m saying, you can look into the executions of the MKO (Mojahedin-e Khalq), who are still active under the leadership of Massoud and Maryam Rajavi, and the reasons behind them.

 

If you want to read more about the Iranian Revolution, you can study the works of Michel Foucault and others. And regarding its causes, I recommend looking into the documents obtained from the takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran during those years.

Or you could ask Iranians abroad (sarcasm) who probably now harbor unimaginable hostility toward the current "regime."

 

About "shah":

I don’t know if the part after that is a joke or something else, but this word means "king" in Persian. And you probably know that the Shah was brought to power by the U.S. from the very beginning and remained under its protection.

 

I hope next time you come with accurate and correct information.

Goodbye!

I think they know, they just have a kinda sick sense of humor. It's fine though, it doesn't hurt anybody. And sick might be too strong a word, anyway.

(I should probably mention that V__V is 12 years old and her parents keep her too sheltered to know much about what was being discussed either.)

...Does that mean I missed something?

Anything to do with the Middle East is very complicated and contentious, and involves some pretty strong opinions because of the amount of people who end up, you know, actually dying. Just go outside and play in the mud and enjoy your childhood.

The pure truth.

But your words conceal another truth, which is: indifference in a world full of crime.

Something like the film The Zone of Interest.

But well, that doesn't apply to this young user (

How interesting — at that age, I was playing on dirt fields.

I play on a PC.

For someone like you, it's only natural — just go to the countryside every now and then and play in the dirt a little. Human beings need to be with nature.

 

Have you played Skyrim?

No, sorry. Also- what's a county side?  The side of the country? That's pretty far away.

He's telling you to touch grass, Avo.

Oh. I go outside! Well, technically, now that it's winter all the grass is dead... and buried under snow banks...

 your enemies be ashamed. (This is a local expression used to thank someone for saying "sorry" in the sense of respect.)

 

I suggest you play it — I enjoyed it.

 

Well, the online translator got it wrong.

 

Has it snowed there? Lucky you — that's great, you can play in the snow.

Yep, we have tons of snow. Blizzard incoming...

Thank God.

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It means be thankful to God for the blessing of snow.

Well, that's okay — I just wanted to show my love for my country, that's all :(

You're entitled to your own views, but I think you'd find a lot of disagreement if you're here to argue about the general benevolence of the government of Iran.

That said, the topic of this thread is the mass deportations and thug tactics of ICE (the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement) that was massively expanded by Trump with new recruits given military grade weaponry and a lot of power to abuse paired with very poor training--lots of Americams have been very unhappy about this.

Fluxion was bringing up the Iran situation as an analogy to uh, "short sighted short term alliances of convenience" I guess, that's sort of his own pet topic though. I just know he's going to autistically derail into multiple giant walks of text now that you're poking him with a stick though lol

Difference of opinion is always good, and it leads to the growth of thought and knowledge for both sides.

I don't agree with all the policies of the current Iranian government, but I would be happy to hear the opinions of non-Iranians on this matter, which could help improve both sides' understanding of my country.

 

And I expected nothing less from Trump—he is under a lot of pressure from the Jews and Israel, and he has to release that pressure somewhere :(

And yes, I understood his comparison, and I wanted to show him the truth as I see it.

I don't think that Trump is under a lot of pressure from Israel. Likely less than any other president was. The problem is rather that he needs a big distraction, or the elections might be the end of him.

What About the Epstein documents? As far as I know, Epstein's connections with Mossad shouldn't come as a surprise. Gathering evidence — and, if necessary, blackmailing people in the future — is fairly common practice.

 

And about comparing him to other presidents, I don't know much — my knowledge mostly covers the past few years.

 

And he's under pressure because he has to attack Iran — which is Israel's last capable rival that can strike back at it, and the only remaining Islamic and somewhat anti-Western government that could cause problems for him.

The Epstein documents won't hurt Trump much. As long as he is president he won't go to prison. The Access Hollywood tapes didn't hurt him because he had no moral reputation that could be destroyed.

I bet what give Trump sleepless nights is the economic situation, and perhaps to a lesser extent ICE.

If he attacks Iran it is to distract from these domestic problems.

Israels political position is the weakest it has been in decades due to the whole Gaza mess.

Iran is not a government that can cause Trump trouble. Literally anything Iran does helps Trump. Trump and also Netanjahue are not worried about losing a war against Iran, they are worried about going to prison, and they need to stay in power to prevent this. They need Iran as an adversary as this helps them stay in power.

I feel like they're going to use this movie in schools in the future to help explain what exactly happened in this era of American politics. (Although of course the tactics are pretty classic and have never been limited to just the US.)

You're almost right. That was a relatively good and comprehensive analysis.

 

But you've underestimated Iran's role in this matter.

 

I'm not exaggerating my country's power, but as long as Yemen's Ansarallah controls the Bab el-Mandeb Strait and Iran itself controls the Strait of Hormuz, Trump cannot view Iran merely as a distraction.

 

This is in addition to the other resistance groups scattered across the region and the many small hacker groups that work against Israel — either for money or out of conviction.

 

Refer to:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.bbc.com/persian/iran/2016/03/160311_l26_iran_us_new_york_dam&ved=2ahUKEwjGtPPvyeuSAxUsNvsDHbbMFv0QFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3ywzuX4jnLHJ8R_H-Cfa8m

 

Furthermore, in Trump's numerous messages and in the ongoing negotiations, he has repeatedly pointed out exactly what you mentioned. Trump has sought a symbolic attack — expecting a symbolic response from Iran — in order to create a "distraction." Iran has understood this and has rejected any kind of symbolic strike. Though the outcome of the negotiations could be anything, because the current government is Western-leaning (aside from our current clown of a president, who is a puppet in the hands of Iran's Westernizers), and Trump is also insane.

 

Moreover, Israel's hostility toward Iran and its actions goes back further than this. Israel does not want Iran to have long-range missiles — the most powerful non-nuclear weapon capable of shifting the balance — and over the years, it has assassinated many of our nuclear scientists, acts that have been met with silence in international forums.

 

And yes, Iran's current government trusts more in democracy and negotiation with the West than in adhering to old principles and traditions — and we saw the result of that in the 12-day war.

 

In fact, your reasons are valid, and they coexist alongside mine.

Yes, I agree, though Suez, Bab al Mandeb, Straight of Hormuz, play a much greater role for Europe than for the US.

I don't know man, saying the executions aren't that bad is like a woman saying her man is pretty good for only hitting her twice a week rather than daily. You'd probably agree with that sentiment as well.

From my point of view, I saw these pictures on the 6th of January



And then your own international newspaper came out saying tens of thousands had been killed a couple days after.

Sounds like a pretty shit country to me.

That's an interesting analogy, but it's incorrect.

 

As I told our friend Fluxion, I don't place blame on you — because you're expressing views shaped by your own country's media, which has naturally built a negative image of our nation.

 

In any case, there is no sensible government, revolution, monarchy, etc., that would show leniency and compassion toward armed aggressors intent on killing people and destroying their revolution — especially after they've carried out assassinations and bombings.

 

For example,

https://t.me/Squad_iran/128841

The link above shows an example of a bombing during a speech by Iran's then-president, who is now the current leader of Iran. What do you think would be the appropriate response to such individuals?

 

And finally, regarding the January 6th protests: those protests were initially very peaceful — until a number of anti-government extremists decided to exploit them.

In your opinion, in the land of the self-proclaimed leader of the world, the United States, what is the penalty for killing a police officer?

And even more heinous than that, what is the punishment for setting fire to mosques — the most important symbol and second home of many people in a Muslim country?

And by "international newspaper of your own country," do you mean Iran International? Or BBC Persian? Voice of America? Or Radio Farda?

Iran does not have any well-known international newspaper or network that belongs to it on the global stage.

 

All the examples I mentioned are owned by American-Saudi interests and operate in service of Western agendas.

 

Which network or newspaper belonging to a country includes in its programs training on how to make Molotov cocktails to attack the police?

Oh but back in the day in the 70s Iran had the best media infrastructure in Asia and arguably the best journalists including major newspapers such as Ettela'at, Kayhan and Ayandegan.

I haven't done much research on that.

 

And could you explain its relevance to what I said?

 

If it's true, then yes — Iran was meant to become the mayor of a US-controlled "New Middle East."

 

And in the end, even if you have the best journalists in the world and countless tourists, it doesn't matter to the people when their beliefs are attacked (like the Shiraz Arts Festival), when various ethnic groups and nationalities (Kurds, Turks, etc.) face identity erosion and forced modernism, and when you insult their religious leaders — who hold great influence in society.

Ah yes, the world famous newspaper named telegram.

I'll give you another analogy. The guy beating her is actually in the right because an ex once laughed when she first saw his dick! Because that's how relevant that clip is to the 6th january protests.

Anyway I'm no American. There haven't been any dutch officer deaths in years, which seems about a proper benchmark for a non-shit country, but that's beside the point. The point being that the very fact you're required to massacre thirty thousand 'extremists' to maintain control and prevent societal collapse makes your country shit.

Hell even your archenemy Israel figured out massacring your own citizens isn't the way to go and one should massacre other people instead to get it out of your system.

My eyes hurt right now, so I can't respond. I'll answer you tomorrow (given the time difference, I'm not sure what that means).

 

And by the way, change your analogy so I can respond to it.

 

And it's good you reminded me — I should add the following line to my profile:

"Please use beautiful and pleasing words when responding to me. Thank you."

It's all right, brother. After all, it is not the size of the missile that matters, only where it is aimed at.

You should ask Netanyahu that.

Be assured, on Telegram — with all its sensational channels — there is far more credible information than on the International, which spreads lies without citing sources.

 

And I don't know anything about the Dutch officer.

 

And is this what they've ingrained in your mind? Massacring extremists to maintain social control?

 

It seems you need to read my response again.

 

Social control in our country doesn't require massacres. If the government wanted, it could ensure that not a single protester steps outside — but that's not on the agenda, because protest is a fundamental right, and suppressing it would call into question the basic Islamic and humanitarian principles of the system.

 

And interestingly, many of those killed in recent protests were members of organizations and parties like the MKO (Mojahedin-e Khalq) and the Kurdistan Democratic Party of Iraq. I'm not saying all of them were, but large quantities of weapons and explosives have been discovered from those arrested, which suggests this theory: first, they provoke the exhausted minds of protesters and ordinary people, then they exploit their anger by distributing ammunition and weapons among them, leading to a massacre.

 

Official statistics on destruction of public property — and an important point:

https://t.me/Squad_iran/126835

 

Official statistics of those killed, as announced by the government:

https://www.tabnak.ir/005fzo

 

Excel file with names of those killed:

https://t.me/defender_iran/54824

 

And you still haven't answered: how should one deal with the killing of police officers?

 

By the way, I haven't heard that Israel massacres its own citizens — they focus more on killing children as gifts to their genie gods(

 

my intention is not to argue — just to inform, even if only a few people.

Yeah, having observed a couple of decades of young people's protests being brutally suppressed, the best I can say about Iran is "some other Middle Eastern countries are still a lot worse".

The US has no reason for being involved right now though beyond using anything that happens to further political agendas. And that goes for every country in the Middle East if anybody's keeping score for future forum debates, we just need to have nothing to do with the whole region, and Israel needs to be dropped like a hot sack of shit to facilitate that.

Of course "peace in the Middle East" is not what anybody in power actually wants, foreign brown people are too useful an infinite public opinion generator.

Part of what you said is correct, and the other part would require a lengthy response from me — but it's 1 a.m. now and I need to sleep so I can wake up for Suhoor.

 

And by "brutal suppression of youth," are you referring to Iran? If so, please provide a few sources so I can verify them and get back to you.

 

Good night — or rather, good evening to you!

@Fluxion

Originally the first post in the thread was addressed to you in case you want to get in on this.

Removing it is a better idea.

Removing what, the thread? 

Can't do that, this is way too amusing.

The League of Autismo certainly isn't complete without an appearance from Flux.