jeez, so needy
Actually, I have been through some shit over there. I know people here "keep it cool" by talking in a snarky, cynical way about just every topic, so I won't say more because it sounds boring even to me. Certainly nothing worth writing a tell-all book about, but considering that we're talking about exchanging comments on a niche internet forum about stories and NOTHING ELSE, it is truly surprising how deep the craziness runs over there.
Let's just put it this way: I consider this little more than a skinned knee, but a whole bunch of people contacted me over these past few months to tell me about their experiences, and most of them boiled down to "I'm too scared to post on the forum anymore."
The whole thing is farcical in the extreme because all I wanted was a chance to re-create my childhood fun of playing IF and maybe, just maybe, somewhere down the line, cobble together something good enough to publish and ask a stranger to pay for.
Oh well, not gonna happen now! :)
I dunno, he's one of those disgruntled CoGites that was bitching about Eiwynn's modding, so I guess he wandered over and figured he had more freedom of speech here. Which he does of course, but we'll just mock the shit out of him when he says retarded things as opposed to deleting his posts. It's more fun that way.
In any case, he's fully free to prove himself a valuable member of society despite his CoGite heritage. Unlike other IF sites, we're very inclusive.
Terribly sorry I haven't posted more here since joining, but frankly, I was lying low in the weeds to get a hang of the culture here, which is a little hard to parse for me. Also that plus I haven't yet figured out the way to write games using the CYS engine, so my preference was to put out a game first before wading in on such weighty topics as how to properly beat your child :P
Weird, I always found the CYS engine a lot more simple to use than the CoG one... Except when it comes to doing something that the engine isn't specifically designed to do, then I have to bug Miz, Berka and Killa to explain every step to me word for word like a toddler. ^_^
Barely important news in the matters of our Eternal War (Which is actually quiet nowadays), but from what I've heard from one of our inside sources, Siberian Sam posted a long ass rant about Jason calling him a big baby who hates his job. Sam hasn't been happy with how they do things over there unsurprisingly. (CoG and Sams don't seem to work out well)
Mentioned that Jason's misery stems from "peasant rebellions" from CYS, Reddit, Tumblr, etc. due to his tyranny over CoG.
Also called him "Daddy" for some gay reason.
Anyway, got all this second hand so I don't have a screen shot and Sam was probably too much of a fucktard to actually screenshot his post and at least post it over here for Lols. Or maybe he intends to come over here now to do just that, who knows.
If he does, he should know that calling us a bunch of fucking peasants when we clearly have our own lands, society, military and run by an enlightened ruling class wasn't the way to make allies.
But never let it be said we don't give potential second chances in case he pops up over here since he's been kicked out of the Kingdom of Faggotry.
Yes, yes, I was thinking of taking a screencap of my post, but what's the point? Everything that can be litigated has already been litigated ad nauseum.
But nice to know I'm in the company of rogues here :)
Interestingly, on an unrelated note, I saw a post by Dan Fabulich over on another website just a few days ago, talking about how "he has" an active forum going on at CoG, but also that he hasn't "checked in there" for a while.
Last I looked, he's long since abandoned the Mothership, for reasons unknown, and seems completely oblivious to whatever his "partner" is up to.
Oh, btw, apparently none of you High Scions noted that I actually got fragged on CoG for calling out JSH for bitching about the financial cost of hosting the CoG forum (estimated at $5/annum) after giving a 10.000 dollar donation to the Marxists last year, which made me ROFL.
And my exact line was "Long story short: everyone on this forum is to blame for DADDY'S BAD MOOD" which seems more or less accurate.
Well, I think IFDB was owned by a neutral party, but Dan kind of wormed his way in and took over. Seems like they're trying to take over the whole IF community and CYS is pretty much the only safe haven left. :(
"I'll pass on the wife. Your Mom sends her love though." - Endmaster.
Me too. Really sorry to hear that Miz.
My Dad's like that about going to the doctor... And people wonder why women live longer. :p
I keep wanting to ask for a summary of the IFDB fiasco, but never wanted to make a thread just for that. I know the basics, obviously bans of productive members happened with no good reason, reviews were deleted out of spite and all CYS members became second class citizens treated like criminals over there, but there was other stuff I've seen like mentions of Discord trolling. I remember seeing screenshots of some really longwinded guy lecturing Mizal, and what is Mathbrush's roll in all this? There were other people getting reviews deleted too, weren't there?
I'm intending to have a long career of writing IF, both CYS stories and simulation games with Adrift and maybe even other programs, and I want to be able to explain this all clearly if anyone asks why I want nothing to do with the IFDB or anyone involved with it.
Funnily I've realized this means I'll have to make a seperate account there just to take my own games down if someone adds them against my wishes.
Here, but you pretty much know the gist of it.
Hannon is probably the longwinded guy you're talking about that was speaking to Mizal. Much like all the IFaggots over there, he's pretty much a coward that back peddles and uses a lot of weasle words to try to support weak arguments.
An example of this was just banning me and Mizal for no reason other than someone MIGHT bitch about us at some later time. Nevermind the fact that he never confronted either of us about this. Just sort of did it and I found out like a month later when I tried to log into the IF forums.
While he spoke to Mizal later after she confronted him, he never confronted me at all. Which is pretty much standard operating procedure over there when dealing with me.
Fast forward to a couple months later and apparently I find out my stories have been put on the IFDB by someone. (Still don't know who the hell that person is) Mathbrush did a review of Eternal which all things considered wasn't really a bad one. I mean he's a Mormon that reads with a language filter, it's amazing he even played through several endings and gave it an okay score.
Amusingly half of this "review" was going on about the CYS site itself, most of which were wrong assumptions. How we had a school shooter story category, we push the boundaries with RAEP, call people "slurs" on the forums, etc.
Of course cue the faggot peanut gallery that chime in with a bunch of baseless comments. Also I'm getting stories rated down with NO review at all for whatever reason.
At this point I wasn't banned from the IFDB (Didn't even have an account) but since they obviously had gotten our attention, we started making accounts there and rating/reviewing stuff.
The IFDB at this point was a old bloated archive which actually had very few reviews of consequence. Most of the reviews there are several years old. They aren't getting any new insights on anything. The status quo "royalty" have been sitting there doing fuck all for the most part.
Enter the CYStians who started actually writing reviews and ratings infusing a much needed new perspective over there. I wrote 80 detailed reviews for various games on there with no bullshit and were perfectly wholesome as far as content. I was adding reviews for games that didn't even have fucking reviews. Hell, I was adding games to the database that should have been on there a long time ago.
Of course I'm moving up their little "status ranking" fucking up the status quo on the IFDB because, gee guess what? I'm actually DOING something IF related, rather than worrying about if someone is saying "mean words" on the internet.
It all came to a head, when Dan took complete control over the IFDB. Dan Fagubitch hasn't liked me ever since he came to me years ago demanding I take down some thread over here. Yeah, fuck off. This place isn't the IF Forums and you're not going to dictate shit here.
Dan, Hannon, and the rest of those faggots rewrote a bunch of rules just to get rid of me, when it probably would have been more honest to not bother with the rule rewrite and just ban for not liking me.
The "official" reason is some dumb reason is "You're not supposed to tell people to rate your stories/reviews up!"
Well why the fuck not? Hey it's not my fault I actually interact with people who also actually like my stuff enough to rate it up anyway. (And hell, not everyone was doing it either) You're going to punish me for being popular? Lol.
I suspect though the real "official" reason is the other dumb rule about "You can't say mean things about people on other sites, it's not creating an inclusive environment!"
Go fuck yourself, seriously.
First of all, nobody at IF was getting "harasssed" "doxxed" or whatever the fuck. Nobody here (Least of all me) got time for that shit.
Second of all, the ONLY people that were getting called "mean names" were the ones who'd started acting like faggots towards us in the first place. (People that y'know, ban others without any sort of explanation and hope nobody notices)
Third, and this is probably the most telling, I honestly don't know ANY of those faggots in the "IF community" and if I don't know them, I'm hardly "high profile" over there so how am I exactly this "big threat?" Yes, we already established I was fucking up the status quo, hence how I was a threat to the system in place, but that's not really the "community" as a whole like they're trying to claim. In essence they were just saving their own asses.
They have all their little in jokes from the 1990s and think it's the funniest shit ever, which I guess you had to be there or something. Really not impressed with any of the "heavy hitters" over there and there were a few reviews where I even sort of dismissed some of the "in jokes" that were in some game. Probably wounded a few egos on that one since I started getting "downvotes" on the reviews.
For whatever reason they banned Mizal before they even banned me. I'm going to guess they figured as one of the CYS leaders, they needed to get rid of her. Honestly though, she really wasn't doing anything. Of course I wasn't doing anything either, except showing how pathetic they all are due to my awesomeness.
As for my banning from the IFDB, I'm sure it was a group faggotry decision, but I figure it was Dan who urged it the most especially since I had gotten banned from CoG for "off site harassment" like a few days before.
I wasn't completely surprised of course since I figured it was coming as soon as Dan was talking about "Oh we gotta do something about mass upvotes." I probably would have been more surprised had they actually used common sense and thought:
"Hey y'know I don't really agree with this End Master fellow's views on certain things, but he's provided a lot of good stuff for the archive. He seems to know how to act in a civilized manner and the IFDB sure could use actual quality material on it, because everyone knows the only person that's providing any reviews on it lately is that cuck Mathbrush that we pat on the head every once in awhile. Let's allow End to provide more reviews and others from CYS will add more too since they all seem follow his lead and it'll be a net positive for everyone. In time, it might even calm heated attitudes towards each other."
But then again that's expecting a bit too much intelligence from a bunch of fucktards.
I also imagine there was this minor "hope" that maybe they could get rid of me and Mizal and keep the rest of the CYS members that had accounts to add reviews. Basically get "new blood" without the "trouble makers" The old divide and conquer trick. Lol yeah right!
Seriously, without me or especially Mizal, nobody here is going to be motivated to do reviews over at IFDB. Mizal has to put you lot to the lash just to review stuff here, let alone elsewhere. I think they thought Ogre was going to be the "face" of CYS, but he lost interest just like everyone else after we got banned. (Hell, I think he lost interest before then)
"I really believe CYS has much to offer to the IFDB." - Mathbrush
And since you asked about Math, I'll mention his role in all this and that's he doesn't really have one other than whipped dog of the IFaggots.
He was arguably the "bravest" one of the lot since he actually made an account here and spoke to Mizal several times. I even spoke to him a couple times. All interactions were civil.
However when the shit went down, he emulated his IF masters, sat back and cowardly lurked without confronting either of us. He popped up here a few times after the banning, but never said shit. He's disappeared completely since then. My opinion of him is actually lower than when he started out with his review of Eternal.
Someone already said it, but the whole "shutting me out" thing over there doesn't do too much to me since I went YEARS without even being on the IFDB in the first place. They're the ones that are depriving the IF community of valuable content due to their fucktardery.
Anyway, that's about it. Mizal can probably elaborate on other stuff and there's more about all this in one of the HATE threads.
Thank you for the detailed explanation!
I can't understand their motivations at all, hate and spite is the only thing that makes sense seeing they harmed their own community to do this, and did nothing to ours but provide more gossip material. I really am sorry you lost your reviews though since I know it had to take a long time to write those to help others, just to have the mods come in and decided to punish you and the authors both.
I'm still upset whenever I think about your games too. Not that you need a handful of ratings from the IFDB when you have thousands of them here, but what Dan or whoever did was a slap in the face to everyone. What they did was as good as personally calling everyone who rated the game a liar acting in bad faith, and that's the thing I keep coming back to with this.
I think when I do start finishing my games I'm going to put a disclaimer telling people NOT to rate them over there if it winds up listed there somehow, because Dan will automatically consider them criminals just for playing a game and giving the opinion on it.
I'm also glad mizal said people can talk about any kinds of games here, because it proves that we are welcoming to all and we don't treat authors from other communities the way their mods treated us.
I have to say, this disturbs me more than anything that happened to me personally. After all, it's one thing for CoG to exercise censorship on their own site. But who gives these people the right to delete reviews from a third-party site? That's crazy.
I truly do feel sorry for anyone, not just the "heads" of CoG, who wakes up every single day, blaming all of their problems on somebody else. That's no way to live your life, people!
That is truly insane. How is it possible that just two people have gained such enormous influence over the IF community??
Dan/Jason/IF/CoG; they're all are pretty much the same interchangable umbrella of retarded faggotry as far as I'm concerned.
Anyway, thanks for the update and enjoy your time here.
Yah, you know the funny thing is that yesterday, when I wrote my little jimmy of a post on CoG, I did sit there for a minute and ask myself "Should I take a screenshot of this?" But I said, "Nah" because drama isn't much my thing. I said my piece, and the chips were gonna fall when they were gonna fall.
Frankly, I'm probably aware of only 1% of what the CoG founders have been up to, but the bright, Las Vegas-style neon message coming through over there is that neither DF nor JSH actually like what they do for a living. Which seems really strange, coming from an outside perspective, because why not just sell it or move on?
I guess I'm quite naive, as I imagined that it was a 1970s-1984 Atari type situation in which everyone who gets to work on cool games actually is THRILLED to be paid to work on cool, fun games. But all I ever see out of the CoG heads is "I'm sick of the fans, and I hate fucking reading IF." Which considering what a tiny niche it is, seems even more of a head-scratcher.
What prompted my death sentence was a thread about some poor soul who wanted to post a thread on a WIP (Work-in-Progress) he or she was writing using a different format than CoG. And JSH went ballistic saying something to the effect of "This forum costs way too much money to run, so no way in hell am I gonna allow a non-CoG WIP thread on my site."
A few other folks then timidly suggested, for what felt like the millionth time, that since CoG was kinda integral to the IF world, and pretty darn rare in that it's been a profitable business for a decade, the company could maybe, possibly, think about stepping up to the plate and take a bigger, long-run view of the situation, which is to say that being welcoming and embracing diversity would actually make the company money, and if not, at least garner a little respect and admiration amongst the fan base, a huge percentage of which are clueless kids who have no idea whatsoever about all the inside baseball stuff and just want a place to hang out and talk about their favorite romanceable character in a story.
And that's when JSH started whining about how gosh darn expensive operating the forum was, which is run on open-source free software (called Discourse). That made my bullshit meter ping because this is the same CoG gave Patrice Marxist Cullors ten thousand Simoleons last year, so I highly doubt that a $5/year hosting fee moderated by volunteers was in danger of bankrupting the company.
I then pointed out, rather succinctly if I do say so myself, that JSH was exhibiting all the signs of an abusive parent who perennially blames his kids for exacerbating his post-bender migraines, and that maybe, just maybe, if he's spent years complaining that the FANS (which, let's not forget, are responsible for providing most of his income) are all assholes, then he clearly isn't happy and really ought to find something else to do with his life.
Obviously, telling the truth made his migraines worse :P but so be it. One day, he'll be sitting there in some shrink's office with tears down his face realizing he threw away his life arguing with teenyboppers over how to properly manage a subreddit, ffs.
You know what's really weird? There used to be a Category over on the COG forums specifically dedicated to talking about non CoG related Interactive Fiction... I guess they scrapped that category since the last time I was there and decided, "If it's not making us money, you're not allowed to talk about it."
This was the only story worth talking about over there anyway.
Surprised those threads are still there to be honest. Nowadays you'd probably get a 1000 year long ban just for mentioning that Eternal exists.
He who shall not be named!
I feel like I should have one of those little horror nursery rhymes at this point.
Yeah, the pussies! I totally didn't cry from reading Death Song... Nope... No tears here... ... ... :'(
Never thought I'd see EndMaster's games accused of being too linear. :p
Too linear AKA "This story won't let me be a tranny."
Okay here's a consolidation of Sam's final days on CoG. Sort of an interesting thread with the usual Jason tyranny along with Haverstone bootlicking as expected.
And for the lazy, I have my CYStian fellows covered for screenshots of the best bits. (The rest is just the usual Jason/CoG company bootlicking)
There you go folks, enjoy.
With this way of thinking, CYS would be dead by tomorrow.