Guess I'm going to Planet Detroit since apparently Bucky made it just for me.
Alright so because Bucky for whatever reason wants more detail on this pointless exercise, here it is.
Keep in mind, I’m making guesses based on the initial information mainly because I don’t feel like playing 21 questions for Bucky to further elaborate on shit.
Anyway here you go:
While I imagine the colonists already got something that can purify the water already on the ship, the fact that there’s a shitload of coal underground means that can be used to filter water if need be.
The toxic atmosphere is going to just be one of those shitty things that the initial settlers are going to have to deal with as most settlers do. Hopefully masks and suits help in the meantime. (Whether they already got a few or have to make poor substitutes) In time it’s not going to be as much of a problem as the future decedents are going to have adapted to the environment.
The main obstacle is keeping the population up to account for the initial shortened life expectancy and birth defects. So it’s going to be a slight return to traditional gender roles until further notice, where the dudes really need to protect the ladies and do most of more dangerous shit, and the ladies are going to have to mostly stay at home to upkeep it and to pump out a shitload of babies.
Child labor is going to be a thing because obviously there's a need to get as much work out of people as possible before they die at 40 (or whatever).
Now this isn’t counting genetic engineering. I’m assuming Bucky isn’t allowing for this, because that would make all this incredibly easy since the colonists could just genetically modify themselves to survive the harsh environment.
Shelter isn’t going to be an issue. All that needs to be done it to pick out the sturdiest structures and repair/patch them up. Presumably there should be some in the ruined city. Warmth shouldn’t be an issue either due to the supply of underground burning coals.
In fact with large supplies of coal, oil and even wood around, getting power up and running shouldn’t take too long so creature comforts to some degree will be available (which should take some of the “oppression” of staying at home not too bad for the women if they feel their rights are being taken away) Hell even the waterfall could be turned into some sort of hydro-electric power thing.
The other issue will be food since Bucky didn’t really say anything about animals/plants other than there are small patches of flora and fauna.
Going to guess there are enough alien bunnies and berries to be edible. Obviously some sort of careful farming of said edible plants and breeding of blue bunnies will be necessary and watched vigilantly since food isn’t going to be excessively abundant in the beginning.
Finally the sentient life is the wild card. The only thing that was said it wasn’t a lot. Chances of them being assholes are high since its possible they’re the remnants of the destroyed civilization and reverted to barbarism.
If they are assholes, well I guess the guns and explosives are going to use. Even the blunderbuss will come in handy, since there’s so much fucking debris on the planet you could just load it up with junk and shoot it at the enemy.
The advantages of them being assholes is there won’t be as much sympathy when the colonists murder the shit out of most of them and take their children and create a caste system of slaves. (Taking some of the pressure off of colonists)
If these are beings aren’t assholes, (Maybe they’re even an up and coming species that has evolved to take the place of the old one on the ruined planet) well exploiting them might be even easier. It’ll all depend on how resilient/strong/intelligent they actually are as far as the best way to deal with them.
If these sentient beings can be bred with, that might solve some issues of planet adaptation since presumably the natives are better in that department. Obviously at least one disturbed colonist is going to try to fuck one of these six armed purple insect looking bitches so results can be gathered from that.
If successful it could be argued that such a path taken too far would be the end of humanity, what with half aliens/half humans running about, but it could just been seen as adapting into a better form to survive the planet. Besides, the human DNA is still lurking about in the mongrels and there probably won’t be too much interbreeding anyway.
And if all else fails, maybe the sentient beings are edible, so yet another food source is secured.
Anyway that’s all I can think of right now. Probably missing some other stuff, but I wasn’t really trying to convince anyone to live here anyway.
Okay, so maybe I should make an actual pitch since so many people can't see the clearly logical choice—the forest for the trees, as it were. So we'll take it point by point.
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Atlas
This planet has a comparable gravity to that of Earth and drinkable water. What can really be said about this other than most of the work has already been done for us? We need only to focus on shelter and food for basic survival early on and can focus most of our energies to building our stability and sustainability.
Approximately 20% of the planet is covered in very deep oceans, much deeper than Earth. What this boils down to is that we have nearly quadruple the available land area in which to work and to be able to spread out as we had at our disposal back on Earth.
The landmass consists of steep, high rising mountains dotted with freshwater lakes. Not just a perfect place for recreations such as skiing, hiking and fishing, but is evidence of plate tectonics or some similar mechanism which means that the planet is serving up its minerals and metals on a platter for anyone who isn't too lazy to bend over and pick up gold.
Initial reports suggest that prime settlement locations mostly fall on elevations ranging between 7,000 and 14,000 feet above sea level. This will lend itself to making humans a much heartier breed such as it has proven for the Sherpas in the Himalayas back on Earth.
The planet has a naturally occurring atmosphere of lower pressure than Earth, and the high elevations of most settlement sites will make breathing a potential difficulty. The majority of first settlers will probably have to remain at the lower elevations due to their initial frailty and will have to mine for metals and minerals, and the mines would double as secure living spaces. Their progeny won't be so afflicted and will be better suited to the environment.
The planet's flora and fauna appear very hardy and durable. They will be difficult to tame, capture, or kill. People won't be afforded the option of being finicky and taking their food for granted. "You kill it—you eat it" will mean more than just common sense. It will be the basis for survival.
Additionally, the planet boasts significant resources. However, extracting the resources would be a major challenge due to the terrain. In layman's terms, it basically means hard work. Getting equipment and tools to sites and then moving product to refining facilities might prove arduous and tedious, but hard work never killed anyone. It's stupidity and macho behavior that does that.
Scanners detect possible sentient life, but no structures have been found on the surface. Perhaps the inhabitants live underground or are living in underwater settlements. Or maybe they are similar to the elves of folklore and live in harmony with nature rather than carving it up and creating unique and sterile environments.
Evidence suggests that there is a 31% chance that something is interfering with the scanners. Could be a naturally occurring phenomenon or else the inhabitants aren't warlike and it is their primary defense against intruders.
I would like to know what evidence the scanners detected that could lead to the conclusion of "possible sentient life" if there are no visible structures on the surface. Hopefully, it's not just a big "NO TRESPASSING", "NO SOLICITORS" or even a "FRED WAS HERE!" sign.
Sweet, another one of these. This is awesome.
E'Arth is a shit choice. I'm not getting fucking murdered by seven different sentient species with a massive advantage over me. No matter what, when we show up from the skies the others are going to team up and crush us.
Glacier could be alright, but if I'm being honest, I'm just not a big fan of the cold, so nah. Also, the structures will be fucking useless to us almost certainly, given that the chances that a sentient species evolved there, but still needed to make structures warm enough for us to survive is nil.
Detroit's fairly shite, I'll avoid there.
Atlas seems to be an alright choice, but the 31% chance that someone's interfering with the scanners makes me think there's some cunts there waiting for us to land to rape us to death. Plus, there's sentient life with no visible structures. Bucky made it very clear there was no "visible" structures, but didn't say there were no structures, so these fuckers burrowed themselves into the cave and are going to butcher us when we land. In fact, I take it back, this is the worst choice. It's an obvious ambush.
Charizard is where I like. The existence of flora and fauna on land pretty much guarantees the existence of extensive sea life, so there's a clear food source there. Plus, since sailing, boating and sea life in general is pretty much where I come into my own. The idea of setting up camps on the stable landmass and creating large naval fleets to roam the world seems like an interesting one. Of course, Mizal was granted additional information on her planet of choice, so I'd quite like a few more facts on Charizard before I make my choice.
Cool, I have a few.
-Are there aquatic creatures we could hunt/fish/train/domestic/farm?
-What's the story with aquatic predators?
-What percentage of the planet is permaent land?
-How acidic and how common is the acid rain?
-What are winds like on the planet?
-What's the story with potential moon(s) and the tides in regard to this?
Also, a general question you might've already answered, what's our population size?
Perfect, I have what I need. These extreme tides almost guarantees much more land exists at low tides. Now, this land won't be good for settling on, obviously, but that's not what we need. Area in between tides are fucking ideal for our food production. The creation of the numerous tide pools we'll find means every ten days, we can trudge up and spear whatever's left in them for grub, as well as gather the things like seaweed and mollusks, so food wise, we're golden.
In addition to this, there's endless other food sources. Fishing would be a boon, and we could imitate the Aztec's floating gardens and easily create a bunch ourselves. Farming aquatic flora would also be easy. Plus, we could set up extensive farming systems on the permanent land, and if that proves successful, use artificial islands to expand that.
The lack of acid rain in areas will be absolutely ideal for us. Due to reasonably predictable wind patterns, acid rain will basically cease to be an issue for us if we stick to these areas, and even if we want to be heading through areas with acid rain, if it's not going to burn our skin, our ships will be grand if we make them out of something tough, like steel or if needs be, concrete. The only thing that could be at risk would be our sails, so we just take them down and get inside the ships when the rain comes, and if needs be switch to oar power.
The fear of sea monsters, which Ebon brought up in the lair, is unfounded. Due to the very large tide range, such creatures would be at an evolutionary disadvantage due to the possibility of being stranded when the tide goes. Even if such creatures existed, they'd avoid the shallower areas where we would prosper. For the creatures to be of any size to be a serious threat, they'd have to breathe oxygen from the air: water doesn't have enough oxygen to support massive water-breathing creatures, which is why the largest sea creatures breathe air. This means there creatures would have to breach, which gives them a weakness to be hunted. With time, these beasts would become extinct, as as we've seen with aquatic predators on Earth, despite being scary, they're pretty easily killed. Ebon also pointed out that they might go on land to mate: even better, since aquatic creatures aren't mobile on land, we'd have a new food source. Honestly, at that point, their extinction might be a genuine fear.
Part of me is annoyed we're all going to die on Atlas, but another part of me is glad I said convincing things despite absolutely failing in all regards to convince you.
@Bucky Given that I could probably round up at least a few people of the two thousand there, I want this to be what I do should the votes go against me.
Edit: If I'm not able to build up a sizable harem that could steal enough shit to start up, I'll go to their shithole and take to the sail there, I guess.
Oh, and one more, what's the story with aquatic flora?
God dammit, I'm not dying on Atlas with you fuckers, I want Colonist Steve to loot what he can, recruit a harem and bounce the fuck out of here, I'll make my new water world by myself.
Someone brought a sexbot.
See, I told you guys to stay home.
Like Tim.
Well, technically speaking, they spent two centuries asleep while I rallied the people of Earth.
It was pretty wild
My wine and pickle stand with remain with the ship (and so will I) for the time being.
As for the advice of questionable quality...
For the Charizard-bound amongst you:
A. Megalodon, a big-ass "water breathing" monster. Habitat and range? "shallow coastal waters, areas of coastal upwelling, swampy coastal lagoons, sandy littorals, and offshore deep water environments, and exhibited a transient lifestyle" -- idea for a place like Charizard... Interesting how unique habitats exert evolutionary pressure towards (rather than away from) their exploitation.
B. Water has a tendency to mix with itself (i.e. diffusion). So, regardless of where the acid rain happens to fall, the acidity will diffuse throughout the oceans... thereby corroding anything that happens to be on or in them... including ships and floating farms.
The megladon might seem big and scary, but it's not. Ultimately, one of the main reasons it died out because it wasn't actually a threat, and the other aquatic predators we still with today were simply better than it. Mainly, mammals, which once again need air and have a weakness. In regards to the advice of habitat, that was in regard to "Mountain-sized" aquatic creatures. In dealing with this, that's easily done, as it's simply not that effective a predator, and given that it's only, what, three times the size of a great white, a creature that we're barely able to not wipe out when we try out best, I'd say it's easy prey.
In regards to the acidity levels in water, the ocean's fucking huge, and the acidity level of the rain at its worse isn't that bad. Considering we can just have metal ships until we develop a barrier to prevent corrosion, it seems easily dealt with.
Edit: Also, something it seems you forgot to mention: "Adult megalodon were not abundant in shallow water environments, and mostly inhabited offshore areas." So yeah, I was right, go get raped by aliens.
I might be convinced to man a wine-and-pickle-stand-laden dingy on your planet for a month or two, but several decades (as would be required to move my product) in this even slightly-acidic water? Let's keep in mind that Megalodon (or, whatever other monstrosities this planet has decided to breed) will probably dig my product. The shit I sell is primo.
Charizard for me!
Oh, cool, the squirrel's going Costner. Nice one.
Letting the big dog eat?
No idea what you're saying.
Same.
Here's mine.
You're the squirrel because of your profile picture, you're going Costner because, like Kevin Costner in the movie Water World, you're going to the Water World.
Sweet. :-)
I vote for E'Arth because it seems like the most engaging and we have a proven battle plan.
I propose we pull a FULL "Cortez"/"Pizarro"/"What the Phoenicians did to the tribes of the Iberian Peninsula"... Ie. Ally with the weaker tribes, organize a meeting with the heads of state amongst the powerful, and then kill them all (a "decapitation").
When the dust settles, we can use our scanners to find their various versions of Machu Pichu.
I also think we should educate the masses and progressively grant them autonomy/citizenship/a say in government. Brains are a precious resource, we want as many as possible fully motivated and involved in moving the planet forward.
Cortez and Pizzaro had a massive technological advantage. They won because of that, not because the strategy of "Make allies, kill enemy leaders" was in any way an impressive one.
We are both fools. It was the diseases. :-(
Let's cough on some blankets and send them down. ;D
Drats. Excellent points. I will rethink my plan and, for the moment, console myself with wine and pickles.
Consider me temped. For the moment, I am still mesmerized by megalomaniacal dreams of non-aquatic conquest.
If I'm properly keeping track of mizal's flip-flopping the current votes are...
Atlas - 14
Mizal
IAP
Wibn
Killa
End's Wife
Tim
Ebon
Orange
Digit
Corgi
Chanbot
EZ
Thara
Briar
Charizard - 7
Steve
Zag
Stryker
Maya
Samyers
Seto
MoreCowBell
Detroit - 1
End
E'Arth - 0
Nil
Glacier - 3
Bucky’s Wife
Ogre
Chris
Been busy, also trying to sift through hours of missed thread posts.
Seriously, I just got here.
If you haven't recognized it yet, unfortunately, you're not going to.
I'm gonna say Charizard
YES! Good one, Samyers.
Hey, Everybody! I have an idea. Let's go to where "breathing will be a potential difficulty" and "the planet's flora and fauna [are]... difficult to tame, capture or kill."
Plus, Mizal, would you really want to reward a planet where the creatures only watch and don't have the balls to participate?
Oh crap, wrong profile. :")
And rewarding the lurkers?...
Ocean's are lovely.
Allow me to tempt you with an assortment of wines and pickles, which you are contractually obligated to supply.
Seems fair. I basically trust you make the base of the boats basic.
Fuck that, as far as I can tell, I'm the only one here with ANY sailing experience. I'm in charge of boats.
This is actually why if people are really thinking about it, they shouldn't be picking Charizard.
If you folks don't want Steve to set himself up as some fucking ocean pirate king and basically horse fuck all of you, you won't be picking the water world.
Steve is like the rest of us. At heart, a badass.
Work it, Dawg.
What if our planet is the most horrifying and the alien ones are a little tamer compared to ours?
Due to an honor-related matter, I hereby endorse Atlas.
Survival of the fittest, evolution will make us stronger, and all that.
If it's survival of the fittest I say Detroit would be the place to go.
This just in! From Detriot: news clip
That's from 2011. a bit late for "just in"
If you want a recent “just in” Detroit story, there was a minor ice storm that occurred a week or so ago and it shut down the power in some of the city. While the DTE Energy folks were trying to get the power up and running, people were robbing them and the trucks.
We're on a fucking spaceship, man. That's the best shit I could get!
Honestly the Detroit planet would make for the best story I think, but I get why nobody would want to live there.
Okay, so another for Atlas.
There are two ways to look at this: One through a strictly game lens wherein you decide solely on the chances of survival, or the ( and much more relevant I might add) story lens where you decide what planet to choose based upon story potential. Let's examine the first lens first.
Game Lens
Atlas: IAP covered this really well, but I'll touch on a few things very quickly. Gravity is good, and requires pretty much zero adjustment on our part. Drinkable water is readily available through freshwater lakes and rivers.The high elevation and trouble with breathing that will occur thereof is something that is easily adapted to. It will even make the human race a more hardy breed and will thus spark a new age of more physically fit and dominant humans. The could be anything from wolf-like creatures to dragons, but I imagine with our numbers they will be of almost no real trouble. Assuming our leaders lead competently anyhow. If there are dragons or the like and we can somehow manage to tame them, then everything else will become exponentially easier. As we are humans, problems like dealing with a few beasts can be overcome quite easily by superior intellect. Resources will be readily available and will likely help us become more technologically advanced much faster.
The 31% chance is crap. They are pretty low chances first off, but second off, the chances that it isn't just some natural phenomena is just as, if not more, likely as some sentient species. In fact, due to the planets large amount of resources, I wouldn't be surprised if the interference (if there even is an interference) is just some extra powerful magnetic poles or some crap. If we are so unlucky as to have it be a sentient species, then who says they'll kill us? If these aliens are capable of creating something that interferes with scanners, then I'd wager they'd be an innovative, and somewhat curious species. They would likely not murder us their first opportunity, and would thus grant us the opportunity to stab them in the back and steal their technology.
All the problems are easily solved.
Charizard: Gravity is good. The air is solid as well. After that, however, we see our first problem. Water is relatively scarce, and assuming we don't have the technology to convert saltwater to drinkable water, then our only real way to get water is through rainwater. Unless the storms are large and frequent enough to satisfy over 2,000 people daily, then we'd kinda be screwed.Of course, like any other problem, I'm sure we'd find a solution, but water shortages would seem like one of the worst possible problems to occur imo. This could also be solved by finding a good lake or river, but, as those are scarce, I wouldn't count on it.
Food should be abundant though, and aside from potential lack of water, this might very well be the best planet to go to for survival. But that's it. We would survive, but it would take years, centuries or even more to readily progress. Steady access to resources is what allowed our human ancestors to progress beyond shipbuilding in the first place, but without that we'd be stuck in a perpetual state of the 1500's to the 1600's in term of technology. If we couldn't manage to kickstart our arrival ship, then we might very well run into the possibility of never leaving the planet. And that's leaving out the fact that exploration would be hard due to the acid rain and possibility of mountain sized sea monsters. Steve and Stryker have already addressed ways to avoid them, (or why they couldn't exist at all) but it would definitely be difficult to keep every person away from deep sea danger zones especially if we get the urge to explore. In short, the human race could not progress if on this planet.
Glacier: This is the worst planet by far. Although the atmosphere and gravity isn't all that bad, the temperature would be a major hindrance. Not to mention the several deadly oceans of mercury? Yeah this place sounds like what hell would be if it froze over. I suppose it could work, but that would be heavily dependent upon whether the caves have minerals, and whether that extinct species left behind things we can use.
And don't even get me started on the fact that a sentient species went extinct here. That spells all kinds of bad news for us. This place should be a definite no go.
E'Arth: This place is great. Assuming we can subjugate all other sentient species that is, but we are humans. I'm sure we, as per our war-like nature, could figure out how to conquer them. That would be the real only problem. If there was a guarantee of our victory, then this would hands down be the best place to go, but there isn't. Thus, our dilemma.
Detroit: This is basically fallout on a different planet, and thus highly dangerous and unpredictable. While End definitely had good points, it could all go to waste the day we figure out that all of our women were made infertile through the resident toxicity. Better than Glacier though.
Keeping our future in mind, and assuming we don't immediately want to go to war, Atlas is definitely the best choice.
At least, from a game lens...
Game Lens vs Story Lens
Before I get into the best one for a story, let me explain why a story lens is important, even superior to a game lens here. This choice that Bucky is having us make isn't an end all be all choice. After this choice, this game he's been doing will transform from a simple Leaving Earth scenario to a Collaborative CYOA in the Creative Corner. In view of this, and in view of the fact that we all love a good story, we should be taking into account that we should be choosing a planet that would be the most fun to read. Instead of comparing survival likelihood almost different planets we should be comparing potential enjoyment levels given the planet we settle. With this in mind, let's move on to the second half of my pitch...
Story Lens
Atlas: Stuff like gravity, and breathable air become almost irrelevant in this lens. sure they'll have some bearing, but they won't affect the story like some of the other details about the planet. Take, for example, the potentially dangerous fauna. What if there do happen to be dragon-like creatures that we could tame? This could turn into a dragon taming story, and all of the cool stuff that goes with that. There are a crap ton of cool stuff that could be done with fauna, and that's just he fauna portion. Let's add overwhelming quantity of resources and there could be a story where humanity is pushed against the edge by powerful fauna, and our only choice for survival is to use the resources to craft ourselves better technology in order to survive.
As for that 31%...well it's still crap, but in a different way. There is a 100% chance in my mind that there is something interfering with the scanners. The story that could be created from that would be brilliant, and could be loads of fun to read and help make choices on. Instead of having to war with seven other species we could be warring with just one, and so many things could be done with that. The possibilities with Atlas are pretty endless.
Charizard: The story potential, assuming there isn't any sentient life hiding on the bottom of the ocean, will end up being one of two things. A generic pirate story, or a rehashing of Moby Dick, but with more sea monsters. Both ideas are fairly limited and ultimately have Bucky working harder to come up with stuff to keep us interested. This planet has the least potential storywise.
Glacier: This one could be fun, but, like the game lens, it is heavily reliant upon the previous sentient species and the extensive cave systems. I can already see a story where we're attempting to decipher the reason the last species went extinct in order to prevent the same thing from happening to ourselves. There isn't a ton of variety here, but there is definitely more than Charizard.
E'Arth: This one would be hella fun. It'd basically be a war story agasint other aliens, and I love extensive war stories. With seven species to add and take away from the story, there would be a ton of material for Bucky to draw on. Although the setting might be limited, the plot could end up being the best of all the planets.
Detroit: This is a fallout like setting, and thus, also has a ton of potential story wise. All around, this could quite possibly be the best stroy potential wise, but I just can't imagine the reason for choosing this planet over all of the other ones. Logically it isn't the best choice, so I can't help but think the people that decide to go here are suicidal. (Of course, if someone snuck into the command room and changed to destination coordinates to Detroit instead of Atlas, then we'd have a viable reason for the choice of planet.
That being said, "Interesting features include, an incredibly deep pit, a glass desert, a perpetually burning underground coal fire beneath a wasted city, a freestanding mountain with a peak 63,000 feet above sea level, a ruined statue of a cloaked figure holding a stick, a massive petrified forest, a lake of oil, and a big ass waterfall of dirty water, tumbling from the side of the big ass mountain.
Sentient life has been detected, but only in trace numbers."
All of that would make an already interesting story enthralling.
Conclusion
Combining both of the lens results in a clear winner. Atlas is the best choice, and is thus where my vote will go.
LOL. This is how I got through small group classes in college. Wait till the end, then make a meta-comment. ;)
With regards to Chirizard caveat "assuming there isn't any sentient life hiding on the bottom of the ocean," I'm kinda assuming there will be one on both this and Atlas. Otherwise, Bucky is either stoned or will be stoned.
First off, to harness volcanic energy like you suggest you need to be at a higher state of technology than roman times, so your freshwater theory won't work. Which means my argument is still valid. Water will be a huge problem.
Everything else (except for the story stuff) relies upon a presumed availability of resources that shouldn't be presumed. There's a huge chance you won't even have wood there, so no ships for you. Even if there is wood, you won't be able to progress past a 15th to 16th century standard of living because all of your resources are underwater. You can't swim down to retrieve it feasibly unless we've already evolved which would take many, many years.
Assuming access to wood is limited to impossible on the less than 1% of land on the planet...
You have no fresh water.
You have no resources.
You can't make fire.
You and Steve and Iki will doom us all to die if you had your way.
Even story-wise, the planet has little variety. Atlas has oceans too, and can therefore swallow all of your story ideas into its own.
Atlas>Charizard
Seaweed's an efficient fuel is properly dried. Here's the first article I can find because I don't have time for a proper debate. https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2012/nov/14/seaweed-energy-fuel-alternative-1979
Figured I’d get a few questions out of the way...
How does the fauna compare to Earth’s fauna in terms of difficulty to kill? Also, do we have any knowledge of a specific species on Atlas to use as an example?
The terrain is largely mountainous, but are there any, that we can tell, forests, plains, or deserts?
@Bucky
P.S. 'Hardy' wildlife could also be along the lines of
Sweet dreams on Atlas
@Bucky This particular Godzilla movie has themes similar to your premise: a space mission to find a habitable planet with the remnants of humanity on board (it degenerates with annoying aliens being aboard, but leave that aside for now). Basically they find a habitable planet... with 'hardy' lifeforms. Some turn out to not be Godzilla, and the survey team DID see scanner interference before landing, just btw. For Bonus points, sleeping Godzilla was mistaken AS one of those mountains (vegetation had grown over him during his slumber). Also, all the plant life and animals were genetically derived from Godzilla, and so leaves were as sharp as steel blades, the animal life was worse (try cooking that).
I fear you may be underestimating the threat of hardy life and ominous mountains
Was the film any good?
Detroit.
The underwater sentient life on Atlas might just be the fucking Snorks.
lmao! I loved that show.
I had a hard time choosing a place, but I think overall I'd trust my chances with Charizard.
I play Subnautica, I can totally do this. Just don't think of whatever could possibly live in this ocean, and I'll be great.
Atlas would be my second choice, but in the end I really don't want to trust a 31% chance, especially if the potential sentient creatures could be both hostile and stealthy mountain ninjas.
Glacier sounds like the worst possible choice considering how sentient lifeforms had been there, and had been wiped out. Whatever wiped them out could still be out there, in the caves or something. Or it could have just been that fucking inhabitable to the point where even things made to live there couldn't live there.
People are telling me to vote Atlas or Charizard so I'm gonna go Glacier.
Wildcard, bitches.
It was either that or Detroit. I picked the logical choice.
It's between Atlas and Charizard because the others seem like living hells. I'd usually say Charizard because of the whole island thing, but it has a weeby name and fresh water seems hard to find. I guess I'd go with Atlas and I'm definitely NOT only saying this because End messaged me and told me to vote for Atlas.
Our End is being re-Mastered (preemptively). By Detroit!! :'(
Dude, the only thing better than a mermaid is a dumb mermaid. The ones on Char don't even know how to jam scanners! Although, granted, they may be megalodons. :/
I think I'd choose Atlas. Because Detroit sounds like you'd be shortening your lifespan unnecessarily. E'Arth just sounds like the inhabitants would probably ban together and destroy us. So you know, fuck that.
And if we don't freeze to death on Glacier we'll probably just get killed in the deep dark caves by either natural (poisonous) gases, hostile cave creatures, or possible hostile sapient race that fled from whatever surface disaster to live in the caves. Clearly cave creatures or beings would be more well adapted and everyone would just get ambushed and killed within minutes.
Charizard would offer us nowhere stable to build floating colonies in the first place, so we'd collapse into the salt ocean and eventually drown. Die of volcanic eruptions, and in the chance we do get rain, it'll most likely be the acid rainwater mentioned. So screw that.
That leaves Atlas as the only viable answer, with plenty of drinkable water. The oceans we can ignore for the most part until we figure out how to deal with any possible monsters that have evolved over the centuries. It seems likely we'd build a settlement nestled in the mountains near some of the freshwater lakes. We'd probably find a way to figure out the breathing issue, probably through masks and oxygen tanks. Most likely the possible sapient life would be within some cave range within the mountains. So if they're hostile we'd have to figure out how to either collapse the cave entrances and block them inside, or engage in defensive guerilla tactics which means we'd have to learn the terrain pretty quickly. If they're friendly they'd probably teach us how to survive with a promise to repay them later.
Honestly I think our best bets would be Atlas, the chances of survival would be slim on pretty much all of these planets. But Atlas gives the best possible chances.
Actually, for the worst case on Char, there'd still be polar ice-caps and icebergs, so stable land would exist even within our norms, no matter what. Volcanic eruptions wouldn't be much of an issue since outside of energy gathering equipment and fields, a lot of time would not be spent physically on the volcanic region.
Come to think of it, there have to be some extinguished volcanoes somewhere or the other, those would make good lagoons. My point being, there will be more than enough stable colonies for the first five generations or so, and that's honestly more than enough to get started.
The weather cycle has been mentioned to be predictable, so I doubt the acid rain would be a threat unless someone gets careless.
As for Acid rain, I do hope you realize that "walking in acid rain, or even swimming in an acid lake, is no more dangerous than walking or swimming in clean water. The air pollution that causes acid rain is more damaging to human health. Sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides, the major sources of acid rain, can irritate or even damage our lungs." http://www2.gsu.edu/~mstnrhx/EnviroBio%20Projects/AcidRain/humans.html
I'd request you reconsider Char (we're working to rebrand it :P )
Oh, and as I said with the Afghanistan example earlier, mountains are among the worst terrain to be fighting an invasion on. Too many tunnels available to the defenders to retreat to / flank with. If we do run into combat on Atlas, it will be vicious on our fledgling community.
I choose to reside on planet Charizard.
Also, if lifeforms have consciousness and the ability to think like us, they would be sapient, not sentient.
A dog is sentient, while a human child is sapient.
My bad.
Are you saying that dogs can think in the same manner that we do? That is a very interesting thought. I do think that some animals have an emotional consciousness, at the least.
I simply said that I believe that some animals can feel and/or detect emotion, not that is as required trait for sentience.
It's not stated outright in what I'm reading, but I can agree with that.
I think one of you needs to know the difference between "Sentience" and "Sapience".
You know it's bad when Tim comes out to play.
E: Is it me?
Thank you, Mistress.
Well, I'm guessing he must think the rest of my argument is sound since all he did was point out a minor thing.
What? I never mentioned your argument, nor did I even reply to you. I wanted to correct everyone's misuse of the word sentience.
Oh, it looked like you did. Sorry guy.
No problem, friend.
Given that End's wife doesn't deserve a vote and Digit meant Charizard, we should change that.
No he didn't. I told him to vote for Atlas and he said it was the better choice anyway. Not sure where you and Stryker are laboring under the delusion Digit voted for Char.
And if Bucky's wife vote counts, so does mine.
Actually I never said anything about mermaids.
Oh for fucks sake…
As I’ve already said, anyone except Steve (who has a perfectly self-serving reason for his choice) picking Charizard is being a retarded faggot. Or at least a short sighted one who can’t see the real fucking danger.
The obvious danger isn’t going to be anything on the fucking planet, it’s going to be the other colonists, namely Steve.
I know Stryker is pontificating about this very scientifically and all of that, but that doesn’t mean shit when a certain drunk angry Irishman is going to one day cave his head in with an oar because he’s annoyed with him for whatever reason and declare himself tyrant of the fucking water world.
The fact is, Steve has too much of a fucking advantage on any world with a shitload of ocean. And most of you cucks are going to just bend over and take it as soon as he starts smacking you around because guess what, most of you do it on here already and now he’ll actually have a real advantage because he’s a goddamn sailor. The best thing to do is to kill that baby in its crib.
But hey, if you’re all comfortable with getting shit wiped on your cheeks and raped by a bunch of literal ass pirates lead by Capn “Semen Lord” Steve, be my fucking guest.
I got no problem with him being pirate king on Atlas, there's less ocean for him to fuck around on.
And any rebellion by Mizal and whoever else I don't place much faith in since they can't do shit by themselves anyway. Hell, I probably managed to convince more people to pick Atlas than any of them did, so they're clearly incompetent at the simplest of tasks.
Let me argue points that I have no stake in winning. Also upfront won't mean shit in the shit-storm that is settling Cystians on some deserted alien planet.
You always have to hold the best cards back my guy. I mean, by all means go for it, but there are times when secrecy and pulling the strings from the shadows are much better.
Maybe we can drop Steve and his concubines off on that planet then speed of towards Atlas? Unless I missed something that would make that impossible.
Alright, that could work. How many concubines?
Depends on who and how many people voted for Charizard. I'm sure they'll offer to suck you sooner or later so they should become apparent.
Pretty sure Bucky's dumping us all on the same planet.
Because if our characters could pick which planet they want to be on, I'd just have my character land on the Detroit one and see how long he could last.
Ah shit, maybe we can convince Steve to hold naval superiority in the 20% of ocean on Atlas (which is still significant, as I imagine this planet is probably much larger than Earth). And the rest of us could develop floating cities at a lower altitude for those who don't quite like the mountains.
Although we'd still need a presence on the mountains to keep an eye on any alien life forms we might find.
In regards to resources, since Ebon thinks that's a problem, it wouldn't be. We'd get fuel from seaweed, which is a good idea apparently. https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2012/nov/14/seaweed-energy-fuel-alternative-1979
Given the tide difference, there'd be lots of land opening up in the shallows every ten days. We'd use the Roman technique of hushing and hydraulic action to quickly mine our way to having a shit ton of resources, while those fuckers would still be trying to mine the mountain where the sentient species is hiding inside.
Don't know, but only like one forge to make one boat, which can then use nets to collect seaweed.
Anyhow, your biggest threat to my plan is that life would be too fantastic for us to do things, and we'd never advance. Which... hey, it's a risk I'm willing to take. Worst case scenario, life's great.
According to research hastily conducted while drunk on pickle juice, we can create fresh water using a very simple process called pervaporation. Plus, that kid in Life of Pi did it. #JustSayNoToScannerJammingMermaids
How do you plan on doing that? Separating the salt form the water, that is.
Just researched it to make sure, but yeah, any way that salt can be separated from water is highly impractical given our situation.Especially if we have to build the tool ourselves.
I'm assuming your 'research' means you did the same google search I did. LOL
Basically, any way you can find to boil water will work. The water that evaporates into the air is 'pure' (this is how rain is made!!) :D
Whatever the hell is running this ship probably has a lot of power, let's use that fucker to boil us some water. Please don't make me work out the details though. I'm just the wine and pickle guy.
@Bucky Sir, might I ask what kind of drive our ship uses and also what it uses for energy and such? Please tell me it has the word "nuclear" in it. I love that word.
If it could be done, it might be a weapon or some kind of bartering tool for the savages!
@TharaApples
Requesting another vote for Atlas if you happen to pop in.
Yeah, sure, I'll go with that.
I will switch my vote to Atlas.
Hah! I didn't even try to convince EZ either, dude did it of his own free will!
Gloating are we?
One of these days, I'll just join your side and make it easy on myself. No need to think... just obey the Master.
Steve End you fucking cunt, why do you keep telling everyone that I would try to take over on Charizard?
EndMaster Because you will obviously
Steve Irrelevant.
Hey, I'm the only one trying to stop pure evil right here. If I left it in the hands of Mizal and Ebon, nothing would get accomplished.
Proof. Proof! I hate proof.
First off, if we can't control Steve, then who the fuck can? Answer: we can control Steve, people!
B. If the engine won't provide us buttloads of heat or electricity (to last, say 40 years for my boil-water-thingy) then, fuck it, count me in, End.
Not "count me in your end". That's horribly offensive. I mean... like, I would vote for Atlas and such.
Cowbell, not the hero we wanted....but the hero we have.
Speak for yourself. MCB is straight up Bonnie Tyler hero material.
Only joking of course, I'm cool with Cowbell.
He has now proven instrumental in avoiding Steve ass raping all the corpses he may or may not leave behind.
I’m always unhappy when we disagree. I sell your wine and pickles for God' sake!
Look, before you force me to draft the designs, let's keep in mind that there are actual volcanoes on this island. Those fuckers spew lava (which is hot), directly into the ocean (which is made out of water). We just need to collect the steam that is already being made there.
Have you ever seen the steam collect on your shower door? Have you seen the beads of water form and drop down? Let's get a bunch of people to shower at the edge of the volcano… OR… use big ass aluminum siding and make the water drip down the underside into receptacles.
Second, spaceships aren't made out of fucking steel. When the hell did that happen? They are made out of aluminum. That shit is nice for boats and it has less than half the melting temperature of steel.
A small foundry is a given on our colonizing ship. It is super useful, can be small, and can be used to repair parts of the ship. Most importantly, it's Roman-age technology!
Wait a minute! Where are we going to get something hot… like really hot… like hot as melted rock… to heat our foundries? ;-p
Further confirmation of Steve's plans. He read "Pirates steal ships" a bit too hastily.
BTW, I guarantee our ship is airtight and (by design) should survive the landing.
Thanks for the compliment! :-D... So... The women man the showers and the men will supervise?
I have no idea how spaceships work. You said they were made out of steel, I just kind of believed you and was willing to work with that. And, as I have continuously said yet you don't seem to understand, I don't think tearing up the outside of the spaceship when we can just use the inner walls would be a good idea. The inner walls that aren't designed for outer space. According to the psych, though, we won't be working with steel, we'll have aluminium, so that's way easier.
Could repurpose the inner walls and use the remaining hull as temporary shelter or something.
That's the plan.
Yeah, plus the ship should come with boats (it's a colonizing ship!); but, worst comes to worst, let's jerry-rig some escape pods.
Boats is questionable but definitely should have escape pods.
I would assume the escape pods would be designed to not sink.
Ah, wasn't sure if Cowbell was lumping them as the same thing or two separate things.
Lol after all this, Bucky is going to kill everyone off with "by the way the ship hit an asteroid and they all died" :D
RIP Characters
I'd laugh if you did that.
The lifeboats did fairly well there. It was the rest of the boat that didn't, and the dumb cunts who thought to go onto a door.
Lol
I vote we name the ship Titanic and hope for the best.
Yeah, but that's not a flaw of the lifeboats, but the guys running it.
Squirrels and children first this time. No?
That's an admission of nothing. I think any citizen would try to take over if they could. I simply would take over through impressing you all with my sailing skills on Charizard, and you'd vote me in.
Oh, God. Please stop trying to help us!
Sailing is pretty impressive.
I blame Mizal mostly. She has several people on her own team that she could've called upon, and then it would've been simple, but she decided to allow her people free will. Oh well I guess.
At least we're going to Atlas.
@NeoDevilbane
Get in on this action, good sir.
I vote Atlas, because I remember the original Pokemon series, and Charizard was a real dick. ^_^
WINNING!
That's your reasoning?
Yes. That is definitely, definitely not the reason...
Bucky's a law student.
Except I never said I was trying to get rid of Steve, I was just making sure he didn't get a big advantage over everyone else.
I even mentioned to Stryker, he can still be pirate king on the more limited oceans on Atlas if he so desires, assuming Mizal, Ebon and the rest don't kill him as soon as the ship lands.
It's Steve. He finds a way.
Steve, if he wanted (not sure if he actually would), could still have his character make choices that can screw things up.
And now I only have more motive than ever to do so.
Well I mean, the question started as a hypothetical, in which case, if we did go there, I'd have an advantage via by boating abilities. However, in the context of the actual game this has become that Bucky's making, I don't, as anyone can write their character as anything they want.
I think this all spawned from someone misinterpreting something EndMaster said and now everyone is afraid of Steve, and wants to kill him (his character).
Guess it depends who you ask :D
I'm fairly certain that "some fool's clerical error" was probably caused by Steve to get everyone on this ship so he can kill us all.
Maybe I'm just paranoid.
Well Bucky's already brainstorming for Atlas, so voting is over.
In the meantime, I suppose a little more explanation for why things turned out this way might be fun.
This started out as merely thwarting Steve, not just because he’d obviously be overpowered on the planet of his choice, but also for the enjoyment of taking away something he obviously wanted.
Why? Well Steve would say it’s me just being a sadistic cunt fucking with him for the giggles and while that’s obviously true on some level, however, it became a little more than even just undermining Steve. In fact, that almost would have become a secondary goal had he not been so central to this in the first place.
For one, Stryker was pushing hard for Charizard and a strong counter reaction had to be made. If anything Stryker became just as much of an enemy as Steve. More so in fact. I expect a demon to act like a demon. I expect mildly better of what is usually a man of logic to not side with dark forces.
Of course Stryker believed what he was doing was right. I don’t doubt that. But he was on the wrong side and had to go.
If Steve was the demon, Stryker would have been the delusional cultist performing a ritual to gate the fucker in thinking he was actually saving the world and would have just gotten his head ripped off for his trouble.
MoreCowbell was also pretty insufferable in the thread as well what with all the chugging of Steve’s cock who doesn’t even like him in the first place (And can’t say as I blame him).
MCB obviously would have been the willing virgin sacrifice for Steve to violate and impregnate as soon as Steve set foot in the world and the fool would have died still believing that the demon loved him even as giant snake hellspawn abominations ripped from his anal cavity.
In any case, I achieved my goal and whatever happens on Atlas now happens. I’d make the same choices. It’s why I never changed my own vote.
If this all just made Steve more fanatical in his pursuit for planet conquest, cool. He’ll have all that anger to help him work harder for it now.
If he gets murdered as soon as he gets off the ship, cool. Mizal and Ebon can create their own dystopia with no further opposition.
If the whole colony gets enslaved by Cthulhu horrors living in the deep oceans, again cool. Glad I could be part of dooming the entire colony.
I’ll enjoy seeing what Bucky writes whatever happens.
Fuck that, don't downplay my amazing abilities. Given the boats I've sailed, what I know about boat maintenance and how a boat should work as well as life on a boat and all that jazz, and given that Charizard is pretty similar to Earth, I'd be golden.
I figure I'd be better than all of them. What, roughty 3% of people go sailing seven times a year. That's roughly sixty people. That number drops substantially when taking into account the fact that I do way more than that and I'm a qualified sailing instructor, and I have experience in all kinds of boats. I'd say that puts me at the best there.
Edit: Oh yeah, additional point, of that sixty, a shit ton are just old or middle-aged yacht sailors who only faff about and have no real ability, so yeah, defo the best.
I don't expect people to be impressed with be sailing ability. I would expect my serfs to be impressed with the fact that I'm the only one who'd know what the fuck they were doing, and otherwise they'd drown, starve or get their head caved in with a fucking oar.
Well it was, when we started, or based in a hypothetical real thing where it's actually be in the situation. The idea of it becoming a game is a later development, but even then, I can just say I'm good at sailing and that's it, my character's strength si being good at sailing.
The only way you could think Mizal didn't put much effort into this thread is if you're blind, deaf, and dumb. I would say her and End both did huge portions of work into getting people to vote Atlas.
And who said the mountains would be cookie cutter mountains? Have you not heard or seen the intrigue they can generate? Possible alien life forms with scanner blocking technology, or cave creatures dwelling within. They're aliens, not dwarves, huge difference. And the thing about the plot points, is that you could have done that with any of the places, so I'd say that part of your argument falls short.
And Cowbell, a newcomer? Are you aware he has been a member since 2014, he just has two different profiles.
As for your logical arguments, I guess there's not much to say about those saying as everyone thinks it's just pretentious drivel.
You haven't trolled me or anything if that's what you think. Besides, do you think there isn't a reason for defending Mizal and sometimes Steve? I like them and they're decent, well meaning members of the community. Where did you get the idea Mizal was flailing around? She had sound and reasonable ideas and responses.
You're just a know it all cuck, and if you actually read the thread there were plenty of discussions of the mountains. And I just did give you some reasons why they wouldn't be cookie cutter. The whole "your argument is null and void because I disagree" doesn't quite work.
Actually almost all points about Atlas involve the mountains you blind piece of shit, even Maya could SEE and understand the thread better than you.
You fool, literally everything about it makes it different than the standard mountain setting.
I've never seen an alien infested mountain.
Tell me though, have you made a character for Bucky's story?
Big brain Stryker casting corgi into the depths of a frothing insult-laden cuck rage.
The mountains have plenty of freshwater lakes throughout. This makes a nomadic existence unnecessary as far as having to find water though. Any settlements would very likely be built in close proximity to these lakes.
I talked about mountains, but when you replied to me you didn’t bring them up, so I can only assume you didn’t have a rebuttal,
Far from it, friend. Mistress Mizal is the head maternal figure around here, while Thara is the big sister.
Huzzah! The best planet clearly won. I’ve been looking forward to this Sunday for the next choice, so if it turns out the first choice is two weeks from Sunday...ngl I’m gonna be kinda disappointed.
Science Fantasy
I still think Charizard should have won
Too bad for you then.
