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Trump 2016

6 years ago

So, what are your ideas about Donald Trump? I agree with him to a very small degree, but I don't fully support him. People seem to dislike him mainly because they see him as being "racist" due to his comments towards illegal immigrants. My problem with him is that he doesn't do much to explain his plans besides saying, "We will build a wall between Mexico and America!". I was listening to his recent speech on immigration and he only actually spoke about immigration for five minutes, tops. The entire speech lasted an hour! For the rest of the speech, we was just slandering the character of his political opponents and talking about how great he is. I honestly think he has a good chance at becoming president. I don't know what it is about him, but he seems to gain support rather quickly. That, and he is always on the news.

EDIT: Technically, every illegal immigrant IS guilty of at least one crime: being in the United States illegally. O_O

Trump 2016

6 years ago

I really haven't been keeping up on the whole Trump thing mainly because he does this like every election.

He says he's going to run for president, gets a bunch of press and publicity which I assume is the main goal to promote something else entirely (Like the Apprentice show or something), and ultimately drops out. Seems like they're making a bigger deal about it this time for some reason and I don't know why.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

I'm paying significantly more attention to politics and news now than I have when I was younger. I thought he announced his running for presidency, then never made himself an official candidate. Thus dropping out. Is this not correct?

Trump 2016

6 years ago
I'm hoping he runs as a third party candidate.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Very possible considering his disagreements with the Republicans. I'm not sure how running as a third party candidate would affect him, but I heard that he is open to the idea.

Trump 2016

6 years ago
If he did, it would most likely spell the end of the Republican party.  Considering their views on almost everything, it wouldn't be such a bad idea.  I don't know how we can ever make progress toward the future when the vast majority of them have mindsets that keep the country stuck in the past.  I doubt that Trump would be able to win the election without Republican voter support, though, but at least he could be an agent of change.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Now, I understand that people are leaning more towards Democratic views instead of Republican, but why would it be the death (or inadvertant death) of the Republicans? I know that he would steal a fair amount of support, but I don't think it would hurt the Republicans THAT badly.

Trump 2016

6 years ago
We're losing more Republicans through attrition than to conversion.  As the years tick by, we are becoming more educated as a people.  Humans thrive on change and oppose stagnation, it's in our genes.  And the younger the voter, the less likely they are to be willing to stand idly by while they are left behind.  A party must be willing to evolve or risk extinction.  So, I guess my answer would be that the longer they remain out of the White House, the less likely they will be to ever gain it back.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

If the Republicans fall, who do you think would fill the void?

Trump 2016

6 years ago
Nazis

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Feminazis. *Shudders*

Trump 2016

6 years ago

The feminists. *Barfs*

Trump 2016

6 years ago

That... probably would be a good thing, unless they're feminazis and enslave mankind. 

I'll just leave you Americans to it. 

Trump 2016

6 years ago
If there wasn't a Republican party, the feud between them and Democrats would no longer be fueled by rivalry, so we might move away from the party system altogether.  Nothing would create more change than electing individuals who are inspired to make it happen.  In the meantime, though, I haven't got a clue.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Most likely in time the Democrats would just morph into the "Republicans" and some new party would become the new "Democrats."

Trump 2016

6 years ago
Didn't that already happen once?  Back when the Whig party died?  Weren't the Republicans the forward thinkers of their time?

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Yeah, history will repeat itself again!

Even now they say compared to most western euro governments, our democrats would be considered pretty conservative or at least moderate rather than liberal.

Trump 2016

6 years ago
I think everyone should vote for the non-party candidate.  That would show 'em!

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Weren't the Whigs very short lived?

Trump 2016

6 years ago
Yeah.  They burned bright — having four presidents.  It was a really turbulent time and I'm a little fuzzy on the details, but I've always thought about it as the people were fed up with the establishment.  I know that in history they dumbed it down to one thing that Andrew Jackson did, but it didn't really make sense to me that they could gain such a foothold over one incident.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

I think they lasted around 20 years. We had 4 Whig presidents, though none of them are held in very high regard.

We had a couple of Federalist and a few Democratic-Republican presidents in the early years of the U.S. as well.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

We also had a president killed by the CIA.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

It's odd how I mostly agree with your actual statement yet if I were to say it I'd mean it to be remarkably different. Basically I don't think the 'progress' we've been making with the past Democrat administration has been a good one at all haha.

Trump 2016

6 years ago
We'd be much better off without parties.  Of the only two that have any real power, you've got the one that's for "big business" and the other that is for "big labor".  Not only that, but the vast majority are lawyers.  The founding fathers had intended it to be a "government of the people", not just one tiny fraction of it.  They would be turning over in their graves if they could see what has become of the nation that they sacrificed so much for...

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Dude, several of our founding fathers were lawyers, haha. I agree that it's unfortunate that it's virtually impossible for a non-politician to win a presidential election, but at this point in history the world is so interconnected that it's necessary for someone well-read (if not educated) or experienced. The good news is that the former is much easier nowadays. Bad news is that the latter isn't.
Problem is that without parties (or labels) it's hard to hit a demographic. If everybody ran for president in the same (nonexistent) party then somebody horrible like Trump would win because the votes would be divided so much. Then election day the votes would come out and somebody NOBODY actually wants would get elected based on a decimal point. That would be bad. The party system is terrible, but at least it narrows down the candidates so that doesn't happen. There's no real solution to this afaik.

Trump 2016

6 years ago
You are absolutely correct.  What we need is a party that is for the people, primarily the middle class.  They are the largest group and are the ones that are left to fend for themselves.  Sure, they get a bone thrown in their direction now and then just to keep them from biting (just like you would a mean dog that you had to walk past), but their standard of living has been in a free fall since the '70s.

And I couldn't agree more about the so-called progress made by those currently in office.  They spend all their time bickering and trying to one up one another, while they let the country fall further and further behind.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Hoping El Chapo's assassins get to him before the election.
 

Trump 2016

6 years ago

His being a candidate is a huge publicity stunt. If it isn't...... America is fucked.

Trump 2016

6 years ago
I walked to the barber shop to get my hair cut. This was the day I got the same hair as my idol - Donald Trump.

I walk in, cool as the other side of the pillow and shady as a Mexican illegally crossing the border. The bartender immediately tends to my needs, and sits me down on the barber shop chair. I take my shades off and he asks me "How you want your 'do, fam?"

I look him straight in the eye and say "Trump it."

Edit:: C'mon at least I tried...

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Wouldn't he have just given you a stringy wig?

Trump 2016

6 years ago

*Shaves hair and gives combover*

Trump 2016

6 years ago

YEAH! AMERICA! 

Uh... What're we talking about again? Oh, right...

AMERICA!

Trump 2016

6 years ago

MURICA! FUCK YA!

Trump 2016

6 years ago

He's a flagrant idiot that people mistake for someone who 'says what needs to be said' when he's really just spouting off whatever will bring him press. I've said it before and I'll say it again-- he's just a dude who doesn't know what to do with all his money. Still, him > Hillary.

The best description I've heard yet about him was something along the lines of, "Trump's campaign is like if a Comments Section ran for office."

Hoping for a Perey/Cruz/Walker ticket. Any combination would make me really optimistic about the future of this country. Also a Bernie Sanders nomination for the Democrats would be hilarious.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Cruz is  sort of scary.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Wait what's the problem? Lol.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

The gay marriage thing is really up to the individual, but him saying it's okay for some people not to get vaccinated is worrying. 

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Well, obviously the people will get HIV and Autism from the used needles.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

They could always use the needles to get abortions and sell the fetuses...

Trump 2016

6 years ago

And do you know where the needles come from?

Mexico.

Those damn Illegals.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

We should build a wall around Mexico made out of the needles. 

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Everybody in Mexico is an Illegal and deserves to get sent back to Mexico

Trump 2016

6 years ago
*mass amount of Mexicans running in circles*

Trump 2016

6 years ago

I have had a LOT of teachers from Mexico. They ALL had visas. Out of country teachers made up about 95% of the teachers in my catholic elementary school.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

....It was... I was being.... Nevermind....

Trump 2016

6 years ago

You're such a dumbass, I literally can't even...

Trump 2016

6 years ago
Holy shit...unbelievable.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

So what do you want? The government to lock up the parents due to 'child abuse'? Ridiculous.

Mind you, I'm pretty certain people objecting to vaccinations are nutbars who think that it's 'unnatural' and will make their kids autistic. This is not a religious conviction, so Cruz isn't talking about them anyway.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Locking them up isn't the answer, but there's a middle ground between "Toss them into jail and throw away the key" and "allow their children to get a preventable disease because they're a religious nut". 

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Didn't respond to my other point haha.

Let's follow that thought though. What would that middle ground be?
(Bizarre note: there was actually a news story about an Amish family losing custody on their kids because of something along these lines.)

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Senator Cruz was referring to Mormons who don't vaccinate. 

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Possible, since not all Mormons vaccinate.

It's a complicated issue, but suffice to say Cruz's comments aren't all that bigoted if you think about them.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

I recognize religious freedoms, but they should probably take a backseat to not giving other people communicable illnesses. 

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Give a good alternative besides brainwashing, Malk. I'm on the side that Amish parents shouldn't have to lose custody over their 8 kids. It's a toughie, but I'd rather the kids remain in their homes and get the measles than the opposite happening.
It's the difference between 'Moral' and 'Right'. Books have been written on this. Not everything is so simple.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

It's certainly an interesting discussion, but I don't think I'll destroy Danaos' poor thread any further. Feel free to PM me if you like. ^_^

Trump 2016

6 years ago
I don't really care, don't live there. but I find a interesting link about him so ...: http://www.cracked.com/blog/10-stories-about-donald-trump-you-wont-believe-are-true/

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Possibilities if Trump runs independently, causing right wings to split votes.

65% Hilary wins (not the best possibility but not terrible)

20% Who ever is running for the republicans win (hopefully not, but better than trump)

10% Bernie Sanders runs for democratic party (best outcome IMHO)

5% Trump wins (We all move to Canada)

Trump 2016

6 years ago

We don't want you. You destroyed HitcBot. 

Trump 2016

6 years ago

I did what?

Trump 2016

6 years ago

*America killed HitcBot. 

Trump 2016

6 years ago
HitcBot?

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Trump 2016

6 years ago

HitcBot?

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Pff, we saved your asses. Remember the last time a weird little guy walked all over Europe? We charged in there and kicked his ass before he could kill all the Jews!

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Betaband feels the BERN.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Bernie Sanders has become a dank meme, and must therefore become president. 

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Excellent point. You should do a news collum on politics in your next paper.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

"I am Bernie Sanders, dank meme and killer of Pepe The Lion. AMA!"

Trump 2016

6 years ago
I don't follow the presidential debate much, but all I know is Donald Trump better not be my motherfucking president...



...or there will be hell toupee.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Gah, it hurts!

Trump 2016

6 years ago

I can't wait for this GOP debate tonight. I'm just afraid that Trump is going to screw something up.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Your fears will almost certainly come true. 

Trump 2016

6 years ago

People on this site seem to hate him.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

If anybody has a link that works I'd appreciate it if you guys can show it. None are working for me XD

Watching some boxing anime instead for now.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Nvm, look here;

http://www.livenewschat.eu/the-republican-debates-live-stream/

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Thanks.

link

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Thanks for the link.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Thanks!

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Ugh, commercial break

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago
Thanks for the update.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Thanks for the sarcasm.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Monitoring mosques, huh? This guy sounds like a class-act. 

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Who said that? I missed it haha.

Also, just to note-- this is the JV debate for the bottom rung of Republicans running, so those looking for Trump gotta wait until like, 8pm EST for the main debate.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Thanks, Taan. Maybe I'll wait a couple hours before the outright hilarity begins. ^_^

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

You just watch! Everyone there is going to get trumped!

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Chris Christie vs. Rand Paul: Farts Fired

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Go perry. XD

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

NOOOO!

I honestly wish the democrats were as entertaining to watch. All the talk with them is that Hilary is lying to the people (not really new), Joe Biden is making Hilary shit herself (again, not news), and Sanders is rising in the polls (impressive).

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

I'd much rather Sanders then Jeb or Trump, so I'm actually happy about the last part.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Who do you want to win the election, out of curiosity?

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

If republican, I'm happy with Perry, Walker or Cruz, in that order. Hate Jeb, Trump, Clinton and Biden. Sanders is a socialist, but both honest and sincere. (also, he doesn't hate israel, lol).

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Why do people dislike socialism so much?

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago
*Americans

and I don't know why. Compared to the rest of the modern world, Sanders is mild.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

1) None of the American politicians who use it know what it means

2) It never worked

3) It takes from individual freedoms in the market which most Murikans seem to have a hard on for

4) The public sector eventually ruins everything it touches 

5) ???

6) Profit

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

People here tend to confuse it with communism (which in my opinion is just as bad as democracy). Isn't having more freedom within the market a good thing? It leads to more business. As to your fourth point, how?

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Bad comparison. 
 

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Communism is just as bad as democracy? What? A) communism is 100 times worse then democracy B) Democracy is the best system we have come up with. What would you replace it with, a dictatorship? :P

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Dictatorship, a constitutional monarchy, something like that would be prefered.

A democracy basically creates an omnipotent majority that can impose itself on the minority. People usually fear dictatorship because they are worried about the person in power abusing his authority, but they often forget that these people can be removed if need be. It is much more difficult to defeat a malevolent majority than it is to defeat one person. A good example of the majority abusing the minority is the African-American civil rights movement in the United States, and the Holocaust.

Communism makes everything and anything that you do be for the good of the state and community, essentially taking away any sense of the individual. Some aspects of communism look really nice on paper, but are terrible in application. Both democracy and communism try to give the notion that we are equal (communism more so than democracy).

Please explain how democracy is "the best system" we've made so far.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Bwhahahahahahahaha.

"A good example of the majority abusing the minority is the African-American civil rights movement" You mean the fact that they're civil rights are no longer being impaired? XD
"the Holocaust." The Holocaust is a hilarious one to use, simply because Hitler got rid of democracy, ha ha. He had 37 percent of the popular vote, and managed to become leader due to backroom deals, not actual democracy. Look at yo history, fool. XD

As for a dictatorship being much easier to remove.... what? A dictator is far harder to remove then a majority elected group, since the leader in an election needs to keep everyone happy, while a dictator needs to keep his millitary happy, and that's all.

Communism is worthless. I wonder how many people actually look at the paper that Communism looks good on. I never have. I've just seen the historical aspect of how Communism has failed totally forever.

Democracy is better then anything else since it allows us to not be in complete subjugation to the government. Note that while America follows a democracy, I believe the power of the government should be less. But the leaders should still be elected democratically.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

(Pardon my late response)

I'm having a hard time taking you seriously. The civil rights movement only happened because the minority was being abused by the majority. Did you somehow forget that part of history?" Did you forget about the Jim Crow laws, the lynching, the KKK, the significantly higher amount of police brutality towards the minority, the segregation? The civil rights movement was a result of being oppressed by the majority.

How is the Holocaust a hilarious example? Regardless if Hitler was making deal behind closed doors is irrelevant. Do you really believe that such things don't happen in the political process of the United States, a democracy? 37% is a fairly large percent in my opinion. Roughly 60% of people voted when Obama took office for a second time. Of that 60%, a little over half of them voted for Obama. Do the math, Aman, Obama's percentage of the popular vote was probably lower than Hitler's.

I think you misunderstand me here. I said a malevolent majority is more difficult to deal with than a malevolent dictator. I never said anything about a malevolent dictator being elected by the majority. A dictator is just one fucking person, if they step too far out of line, they will eventually be removed. For instance, look at Nero of Rome, the man was fucking insane, but he was also the Emperor. Guess what happened to him, he was declared an enemy of the state and hunted down by his own guard. But if you were to look at countries now that have a majority of people standing against the minority, what is the minority to do? In a democracy, the majority has ultimate and absolute power. They make the rules, they decide what the law is. On top of that, you must have not been paying attention in class when a majority of the population in Germany was against the Jews.

Ok, I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or just adding to what I said about Communism not working. I think it looks nice on paper (certain aspects). As far as everyone being equal, yeah! Society is removed of social class? Fuck yeah. These, I believe, are the most attractive aspects of Communism. Democracy shares these aspects with Communism, by the way. Though I'm not going to say that they are the same, but they are similar.

Once again, Democracy is the rule of the majority. This is no better than electing a dictator, in my opinion. People like to think that Democracy is all about giving power to everyone so that they are not ruled by the government, but this is not entirely true. It's all about the mob rule. Democracy also doesn't last as long as a Republic or a Monarchy. Why? Because people will stop caring. The amount of people voting in the United States is getting lower every time (though it might go up this election since it's so entertaining). Democracy will eventually erode into a rule by the few. People will become too lazy do make big decisions, or they feel that someone else will take care of it. The United States, by the way, is a democratic-Republic. It is a Republic, with democratic values. I'd say that a Republic is far superior to Democracy. It allows people to have a voice, but it also makes sure that the right people are elected (depending on the populace electing the best person, which doesn't always happen). But even then, with our democratic-Republic, we still see the majority taking rights away from the minority. The best example I can give is the LGBT community not being allowed to marry. Why? Most people were against it, or at least the people that had the most influence were against it. A constitutional monarchy is the best form of government in my opinion.

Seriously, what the fuck is up with the "bwahaha" nonsense?

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Quick note:

37% of the popular vote in Germany is HUGE. Germany, unlike America, has a multi-party system where the multiple parties actually HAVE a chance of winning. Votes are split far more evenly among the many parties and 37% would be somewhat akin to the republicans or democrats winning by 80% in the US.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Dictatorship and a monarchy are two very different systems, mainly in the way they are enforced. A dictatorship is primarily enforced militarily (because otherwise, most all dictatorships would be overthrown - they NEED the military power), monarchies are enforced primarily by tradition and keeping the upper class happy. A monarchy is much preferable to a Dictatorship.

Oh, and I don't think you know what a constitutional monarchy is, and are confusing it with a normal monarchy. A constitutional monarchy is basically Canada right now. The Queen/King has power only in name, they have no ability to pass any laws or regulations whatsoever, this right is left within the hands of an elected parliament.

Democracy gives each and every person in a society equal say in what happens in their lives. This is a fact.

Communism takes this same freedom of choice, individuality and strength away from each and every person and puts it into the hands of a small group of individuals who head the Communist state/country. This is also a fact.

This, alone, is the reason Democracy is politically better than Communism. All outlying issues with Democracy and Communism come from these two, short simplifications. Democracy has freedom of choice, which people need in order to have satisfactory lives. Communism does not.

Economically, Communism is worse than Capitalism (which is the typical system espoused by a politically Democratic country) because it offers no opportunity or reward for advancement. We need that. As human beings, we need that as motivation to actually work and put an effort into our lives and jobs. We need a reason to continue trying.

Now, I know what you're getting at. Realistically, Democracy in action has a lot of flaws. Some rather serious ones too. One that consistently springs into my own mind is that putting power into the hands of the easily suggestible and frankly, stupid, majority of the population is pure lunacy. This is true. This is also most of the reason why politicians lie. I would lie too, if the only way I had to get any power or fulfill my life goals was to have an idiot with idiotic requests put me there.

But what you're saying - that it creates an omnipotent majority that can impose itself upon the minority - is only seasonally true. Because Democracy is a system that advocates change (primarily through the election of multiple different leaders - though having two terms was a bad idea in the US, since it encourages presidents to only actually make an effort on their second term, if they make it that far), it makes it essentially impossible for one majority to continue swaying another minority, because that majority is constantly in a state of change itself. It's why the US hasn't had only democratic or only republican presidents for the entirety of its history.

What you mention there are not examples of political oppression, and your belief in such is highly displaced. They are examples of SOCIAL oppression. Understand this: social beliefs will always transcend political systems, regardless of the society's political system.

Consider criticism of homosexuals in Russia. The majority of the population still holds to outdated beliefs that homosexuals are wrong, and should be punished for it. Do you think Putin has any influence on this? Or do you think it is a result of literally millennia of belief and maltreatment of homosexual persons? 

Similarly, mistreatment of the black population in the US (and before that, the British empire) was a social belief that held through multiple monarchies, a republic, and a democratic system. They were not political. They have never been political, and they will rarely, if ever, be political. They were an example of traditionalistic views and the common human desire to create an "Us vs Them" mentality in action, and nothing more. They are, as well, entirely irrelevant to a discussion regarding the quality of political systems.

Now, as for why a certain political system is better than another, this should also depend on your beliefs of what is necessary to make a political system better than another. Is it enforcing equality? Allowing for advancement? Allowing for progress? Facility of action in times of emergency?

I think that, for the most part, Democracy allows for all of these far more than any other political system in the world - save that of the last one, where decisions are bogged down due to the pure magnitude of input. This is why, in times of emergency, it is necessary to act without the people's wants and needs in mind, and it is something that, currently, the US fails at (see Congress).

However, understand that the US is not the only example of Democracy in the world. It is only the biggest and most popular, as such it is also prone to the greater flaws and issues that will strike at any political system when it acquires more influence.

For much smaller and less size-stricken democracies you can look to the scandinavian region, where, by all accounts, other than taxes, life is idyllic.

You seem to be making decisions based on arbitrary judgments of systems you don't fully understand. You're not quite looking deeply enough into whatever system you choose to criticize, and it makes your criticism summarily shallow, weak and uninformed. I would suggest thinking a bit more about your accusations before putting them to light.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

You're all acting like communism and democracy are mutually exclusive. e_e

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago
Are they not?

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

They are, lol. At least communism according to Karl Marx.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Technically, political systems are mutually exclusive. However, you are correct in believing that socialist beliefs (the extremes of which are embodied in communism) can still be a part of Democracy - as Socialist parties (and even outright communist parties) exist in every democratic political system.

They rarely get elected.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Because it's an absolutely terrible form of government.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

lol

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

So what I got from this is that Jim Gilmore... Exists?

Bobby Jindal would be a great VP, not president material yet IMO. Perry has the best experience of anybody running, so hopefully people realize that and get him in the next big debate. Fiorina talks very well but... She's a businesswoman. That's about it.

Trump debate in an hour and a half! I hope they have chairs.

GOP debate 2016

6 years ago

Yep, he's still an idiot.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

I got to meet Hillary Clinton.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

I hope she falls hard when (if) they discover how she lied to the courts under oath about top secret information. Once she is out of the way, a Trump victory has a greater chance of happening.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Nope. The whole room was filled with Clinton supporters. Some didn't even get in cause of how packed it was.

Trump 2016

6 years ago
Wh...why did you go? What? I thought you were 11...? Your mental age is 15 according to your profile - even then you're no where near voting age...right?

Ford is confused.

Was you being 11 just a joke? I swear it was serious...right? Tattoos? 11 /=/ tattoos

Trump 2016

6 years ago

I guess in some areas I have a mental age of more than 15. : )

Trump 2016

6 years ago

I "dislike" him because he's a horrendous piece of shit who will absolutely, guaranteed, screw over whoever or, in this case, whatever he works with. If you think otherwise, I beseech you - please, actually look something up about the fucking asshole. Something other than what's in the news, or that he's paid for to be said about him.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Every time I try to look something up about him, it's basically all the stuff I'd hear in the news anyway.

"Trump badmouths people." "Trump just keeps trumping." "Trump calls people stupid." "Trump wants a wall."

Trump 2016

6 years ago
Walls are nice. I hope it's a decorative wall with large letters carved into it saying "Mercy is to those who keep their distance" because that'd look really cool

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Damn, that would be badass. But...wouldn't it have to be in Spanish?

Trump 2016

6 years ago
Spanish on one side and English on the other.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

He consistently lies about his wealth in order to make himself seem more important and powerful than he actually is (this is because he's insecure about his own holdings and doesn't believe he's really worth anything. This is because despite his utter assholery, Trump is intelligent enough to realize that he is a worthless, disgusting human being whose only possible good contribution to life is his impossibly hot daughter.)

He sues everyone who ever dares to say anything about him (regardless of whether or not what they said was true. What, they claim he has 4 billion dollars when he lied and said he had 9 billion? SUED MOTHERFUCKER) (This was not a made up example).

He has been bankrupt 4 times. This is because he consistently makes terrible investments that fail and cost both him and the people he works with a lot of money. But he makes sure that, most of the time, he can throw most of the blame he should be shouldering on the people he screwed over by being a pathetic failure. He also makes sure to never, ever pay his debts. 

It's not just that Trump is an asshole. I'm fine with an asshole. I am, an asshole. But Trump is a treacherous piece of shit whose very existence is inimical to the healthy progression of the world around him, him being put in charge of a country as large, powerful and precariously positioned as the United States is pure and unadulterated stupidity. He cannot be trusted, nor should he be trusted.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Also, his hair.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

The comedian that hosts The Nighly Show said that Trump supporters are "either people who are unaware of the issue or a bunch of Jokers that just want to see the world burn." I think I fit into that second category. As far as the GOP candidates go, I'd say that I'm more inclined to support Carson or that other lady (fuck, I forgot her name). Unfortunately, they keep getting Trumped and I don't here much about them that isn't under his shadow. I won't support Hilary, and I have no opinion of Sanders.

This election has to be the most entertaining one yet though. Sanders is pulling an Obama on Hillary's campaign.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Drak gets it. Trump didn't get such a YUGE wealth cuz he's really brilliant or anything, he just screwed over anyone he could to get ahead. Not presidential material haha.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

So...is that a bad thing? I mean, being able to take advantage when the advantage is there to take sounds a pretty good thing. Sometimes, what people see as screwing people over is just another person taking ahold of a opportunity.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

You're one of those people who must have been impressed when Trump said he gets out of as much tax as he can because he's sooper business man (and how that also makes him a good candidate to help make laws). Also him bragging about how he bought out Hillary Clinton.

I mean, it's fine and all, but just because somebody can do sketchy things within the confines of the law doesn't mean it's moral, especially if you want a presidential candidate to be of refined character. Trump isn't that. He's an asshole and Buffon as well as a necessary evil in the world, as pretty much all CEOs are.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Well, even without Trump saying it, the system is very broken. It's common knowledge at this point that the elite bend over the politicians and push them to make a lot of big decisions. Trump is already wealthy and doesn't need to suck someone's dick in order to make a connection. Though, I'm not saying that he won't make some shady deals, but I AM saying that shady deals can sometimes be a good thing.

I couldn't care less about morality, it's a matter of who is the most capable of leading. I think the United States should be ran like a business, regardless if it's Trump who is running it. We need someone who doesn't subject themselves to moral choices, we need someone who makes the best decision based on a logical standpoint.

For instance, look at abortion and stem cell research. Many people will claim that it is immoral to do such things, but the first should be granted because ti gives women the freedom to make that choice should they decide to do that. and the other could lead to multiple medical breakthroughs. Though I'm not going to claim to be an expert on either.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

...you know Trump is (at least claiming to be) pro-life, right?

Trump 2016

6 years ago

He changes his opinion about that a lot haha.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

He is,although I am highly skeptical of that stance. He's too smart to out right say that he is pro-choice while he's trying to gain the Republican nomination. It's funny, he talks without a filter and he's honest, but he's also sneaky. He won't answer anything that he doesn't have to until he has to. And even then, I notice that he will still tip-toe around the question. I just wish Trump would elaborate more on his policies. I think he gets too distracted with what he's saying that he often forgets what the original question was.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Trump admitted to being part of the corruption. How is that a good thing? >_<

Sooooo messed up. Trump isn't capable of leading. He'd be a guy who'd tell Vladimir Putin to suck a dick and begin a nuclear winter only to say, "Well I'm not PC so it's okay." 

Dunno what that has to do with anything. My point with morality is that the president needs to be an honestly good person. An honest asshole as a president will get us into trouble, and a shady liar will get us into other problems and scandals. An honest, good person with a brain is what we need, not Trump or Hillary.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

You don't think that someone who knows the game will know how to beat it? A friend and I used to work together to make some quick money, and we joked about how it wasn't about the money but the fun of it. Criminals break the law to make a profit, but it's smarter to just exploit the fuck out of the several holes in the legal system if you can spot it. This is what Trump does. He isn't breaking the rules, he's raping them in the most heinous of ways.

Your second paragraph made me laugh because I can actually see Trump doing something like that. "Fuck you, Putin! We are going to build a wall across the sea and in the sky to keep you Russians out. You know what? We'll just make a big dome around the whole country! And YOU'LL pay for it!"

Oh, ok. I think I misunderstood you. I think it would be rather difficult to me an honest, good person while maintaining a strong presence. I've been paying attention to Ben Carson, for instance. I haven't heard much about his policies, but he just "seems" smart. Aside from that, there's always Bernie Sanders. He's smart, he's honest (as far as I know), but he doesn't seem to be very "strong," if you know what I mean.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

That's what I m saying just with a different outlook. Trump knows how to beat the system and he's able to do horrible things within the confines of the law. He's a legal asshole. That's fine as a CEO (necessary evil), but as the president of a country it's terrible.

Are you okay with a president who'd literally do that? XD

Carson's... Ok. He's a brilliant surgeon and the token 'uber religious' candidate, but he has no political experience so he's far from my first choice. I'd prefer Sanders over Trump or even Jeb Bush if only because he's honest. Even if his economic plans are not feasible at all.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Don't you think that the country could very well be run like a business? It would,of course, require increasing governmental power, but it's still possible.

Lol, no, but I would love to see it happen. I would be lying if I said I don't want a bit of chaos to happen. Watching the world fall apart is oh so fun.

Reagen had no experience, but he's regarded as a good president. Correct me if I'm wrong (I haven't been paying attention until this current election). Being a good president doesn't require political experience. That would be akin to saying that you need to be in the military before you are the Commander-In-Chief. We've had civilian presidents that were excellent for the position, would you not agree?

Trump 2016

6 years ago

In a dictatorship, maybe. In a civilization where people have inalienable rights not at all. Knowing business might help the economy, but without actual policies (Trump has none) the economy will tank anyway, and bad foreign relations will doom us all.

Danaos this is the future of mankind, your kind, not demon worshipping XD

Reagan was the governor of California :P . People disagree whether he was a good president or a lucky one, but the economy became strong again when he was in office (even though the debt rose) and foreign relations were able to relax after the Carter disaster, so I personally think so.

That's different-- being a president means you're actually running things, not fighting people. Being a senator or a governor beforehand is necessary so you know what works and what doesn't and the know how how beauracracy is important when making decisions and trying to pass a law. That said, a person who was both a governor and a military man would be best since he'd be informed as to what decisions will make the armed forces better, which is why I wanted Perry to be nominated. Doesn't seem like that'll be the case though.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

I wonder if there is a ritual that I could perform that could help Trump out...

Trump 2016

6 years ago

If he's actually nominated then I'm coming for you, Dan.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Go ahead, it will be too late by then. The world will soon be set aflame and I shall fiddle to its sweet, sweet melody.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Yes, it is. Because when you work with someone like this, they will take advantage of YOU. If Trump is the president, his primary interest does not suddenly change from "Trump" to "United States", it still solidly remains "Trump".

And before you say he's too rich or powerful or influential to care about such things - if that was even remotely true, he wouldn't lie so prolifically about his own wealth and power and influence to make himself seem like a more significant figure.

Tan's own argument is solid but he doesn't properly present the reasons why - the idea behind putting a cuthroat, pseudo intelligent asshole who'll screw over everyone on the throne so that he can improve your lives fails to note that "everyone" includes "you".

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Oh...shit! I hadn't thought of that. Damn it. That is a very good point.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Don't normally bother with political stuff, but I thought this was a pretty awesome reason to start taking Trump seriously.

---Quoted from a Yahoo Comment of all things---

When interviewing those who work for him (or who have or have had business dealings with him) negative stories are, curiously, lacking. After all the employees he’s had and all the business deals he’s made there is an unmistakable lack of criticism. In fact, long term employees call him a strong and compassionate leader and say he has far more integrity and high moral standards than many people think.

And while it may surprise many, he’s actually humble when it comes to his generosity and kindness. A good example is a story that tells of his limo breaking down on a deserted highway outside of New York City. A middle-aged couple stopped to help him and as a thank you he paid off their mortgage, but he didn’t brag about that. Generous people rarely talk of the charitable acts they bestow on others.

But as much as all this is interesting, the real thing that people want to know is, what is Donald Trump’s plan for America? It’s funny how so many people say they don’t know what it is, or they act like Trump is hiding it. The information is readily available if people would just do a little homework. But, since most Americans won’t do their own research, here, in no particular order, is an overview of many of Trumps positions and plans:

1.) Trump believes that America should not intervene militarily in other country’s problems without being compensated for doing so. If America is going to risk the lives of our soldiers and incur the expense of going to war, then the nations we help must be willing to pay for our help. Using the Iraq War as an example, he cites the huge monetary expense to American taxpayers (over $1.5 trillion, and possibly much more depending on what sources are used to determine the cost) in addition to the cost in human life. He suggests that Iraq should have been required to give us enough of their oil to pay for the expenses we incurred. He includes in those expenses the medical costs for our military and $5 million for each family that lost a loved one in the war and $2 million for each family of soldiers who received severe injuries.

2.) Speaking of the military, Trump wants America to have a strong military again. He believes the single most important function of the federal government is national defense. He has said he wants to find the General Patton or General MacArthur that could lead our military buildup back to the strength it needs to be. While he hasn’t said it directly that I know of, Trump’s attitude about America and about winning tells me he’d most likely be quick to eliminate rules of engagement that handicap our military in battle. Clearly Trump is a “win at all costs” kind of guy, and I’m sure that would apply to our national defense and security, too.

3.) Trump wants a strong foreign policy and believes that it must include 7 core principles (which seem to support my comment in the last point):

  • American interests come first. Always. No apologies.
  • Maximum firepower and military preparedness.
  • Only go to war to win.
  • Stay loyal to your friends and suspicious of your enemies.
  • Keep the technological sword razor sharp.
  • See the unseen. Prepare for threats before they materialize.
  • Respect and support our present and past warriors.

4.) Trump believes that terrorists who are captured should be treated as military combatants, not as criminals like the Obama administration treats them.

5.) Trump makes the point that China’s manipulation of their currency has given them unfair advantage in our trade dealings with them. He says we must tax their imports to offset their currency manipulation, which will cause American companies to be competitive again, drive manufacturing back to America and create jobs here. Although he sees China as the biggest offender, he believes that America should protect itself from all foreign efforts to take our jobs and manufacturing. For example, Ford is building a plant in Mexico and Trump suggests that every part or vehicle Ford makes in Mexico be taxed 35% if they want to bring it into the U. S., which would cause companies like Ford to no longer be competitive using their Mexican operations and move manufacturing back to the U. S., once again creating jobs here.

6.) Trump wants passage of NOPEC legislation (No Oil Producing and Exporting Cartels Act – NOPEC – S.394), which would allow the government to sue OPEC for violating antitrust laws. According to Trump, that would break up the cartel. He also wants to unleash our energy companies to drill domestically (sound like Sarah Palin’s drill baby, drill?) thereby increasing domestic production creating jobs and driving domestic costs of oil and gas down while reducing dependence on foreign oil.

7.) Trump believes a secure border is critical for both security and prosperity in America. He wants to build a wall to stop illegals from entering put controls on immigration. (And he says he’ll get Mexico to pay for the wall, which many have scoffed at, but given his business successes I wouldn’t put it past him.) He also wants to enforce our immigration laws and provide no path to citizenship for illegals.

8.) Trump wants a radical change to the tax system to not only make it better for average Americans, but also to encourage businesses to stay here and foreign businesses to move here. The resulting influx of money to our nation would do wonders for our economy. He wants to make America the place to do business. He also wants to lower the death tax and the taxes on capital gains and dividends. This would put more than $1.6 trillion back into the economy and help rebuild the 1.5 million jobs we’ve lost to the current tax system. He also wants to charge companies who outsource jobs overseas a 20% tax, but for those willing to move jobs back to America they would not be taxed. And for citizens he has a tax plan that would allow Americans to keep more of what they earn and spark economic growth. He wants to change the personal income tax to:
Up to $30,000 taxed at 1%
From $30,000 to $100,000 taxed at 5%
From $100,000 to $1,000,000 taxed at 10%
$1,000,000 and above taxed at 15%

9.) Trump wants Obamacare repealed. He says it’s a “job-killing, health care-destroying monstrosity” that “can’t be reformed, salvaged, or fixed.” He believes in allowing real competition in the health insurance marketplace to allow competition to drive prices down. He also believes in tort reform to get rid of defensive medicine and lower costs.

10.) Trump wants spending reforms in Washington, acknowledging that America spends far more than it receives in revenue. He has said he believes that if we don’t stop increasing the national debt once it hits $24 trillion it will be impossible to save this country. Even though he says we need to cut spending, he does not want to harm those on Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security. He believes that the citizens have faithfully paid in to the system to have these services available and that the American government has an obligation to fulfill its end of the bargain and provide those benefits. Therefore, he wants to build the economy up so that we have the revenue to pay those costs without cutting the benefits to the recipients. He disagrees with Democrats who think raising taxes is the answer and says that when you do that you stifle the economy. On the other hand, when you lower taxes and create an environment to help businesses they will grow, hire more workers, and those new workers will be paying taxes that become more tax revenue for the government.

11.) Trump also wants reform of the welfare state saying that America needs “a safety net, not a hammock.” He believes in a welfare to work program that would help reduce the welfare roles and encourage people to get back to work. And he wants a crackdown on entitlement fraud.

12.) Trump believes climate change is a hoax.

13.) Trump opposes Common Core.

14.) Trump is pro-life, although he allows for an exception due to rape, incest, or the life of the mother.

15.) Trump is pro 2nd Amendment rights.

16.) Trump’s view on same-sex marriage is that marriage is between a man and a woman, but he also believes that this is a states' rights issue, not a federal issue.

17.) Trump supports the death penalty.

18.) Trump believes that there is a lack of common sense and innovative thinking in Washington (Hmmm… looks like he believes in horse sense!). He says it’s about seeing the unseen and that’s the kind of thinking we need to turn this country around.He tells a personal story to illustrate the point:
“When I opened Trump National Golf Club at Rancho Palos Verdes in Los Angeles, I was immediately told that I would need to build a new and costly ballroom. The current ballroom was gorgeous, but it only sat 200 people and we were losing business because people needed a larger space for their events. Building a new ballroom would take years to get approval and permits (since it’s on the Pacific Ocean), and cost about $5 million. I took one look at the ballroom and saw immediately what needed to be done. The problem wasn’t the size of the room, it was the size of the chairs.

They were huge, heavy, and unwieldy. We didn’t need a bigger ballroom, we needed smaller chairs! So I had them replaced with high-end, smaller chairs. I then had our people sell the old chairs and got more money for them than the cost of the new chairs. In the end, the ballroom went from seating 200 people to seating 320 people. Our visitors got the space they desired, and I spared everyone the hassle of years of construction and $5 million of expense. It’s amazing what you can accomplish with a little common sense.”

On top of his saving years of construction and $5 million in expenses, he also was able to keep the ballroom open for business during the time it would have been under remodeling, which allowed him to continue to make money on the space instead of losing that revenue during construction time.

Donald Trump’s entire life has been made up of success and winning. He’s been accused of bankruptcies, but that’s not true. He’s never filed personal bankruptcy. He’s bought companies and legally used bankruptcy laws to restructure their debt, just as businesses do all the time. But he’s never been bankrupt personally.
He’s a fighter that clearly loves America and would fight for our nation.

Earlier I quoted Trump saying, “I love America. And when you love something, you protect it passionately – fiercely, even.” We never hear that from Democrats or even from most Republicans. Donald Trump is saying things that desperately need to be said but no other candidate has shown the fortitude to stand up and say them.
Looking over this list of what he wants for America I see a very necessary set of goals that are long past due. Before we criticize someone because the media does, maybe we should seriously consider what he has to offer.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

"12.) Trump believes climate change is a hoax."

This alone is enough to turn me off the guy, but there's a lot of stuff in there that I find really disturbing. Pretty fascinating how much the same words can cause polar opposite reactions in different people.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Tis true!

One can read it, weighing it for truth or for lies against their own bias. America is so polarized that half will see it as despicable propaganda, while the other half will see it as a ray of hope distilled from heaven. The reality is that its probable intermingled with both.

The thing I liked here though, is the idea of putting America first (literally) and not apologizing for it. Of course if one is not from America, then that's not going to be a major selling point haha!

Trump 2016

6 years ago

That's the problem. He can say great things, but as far as I know, Trump is about Trump, and he only ever has been about Trump for a long time. Come to think of it, if his plans for running the country are anything like his plans for running a business, he could legitimately be the president that starts a war with Russia. (Or does something else that's agressive and stupid.)

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Which America is he really putting first though? The average lower class American or the multi billionaires most directly affected by international agreements?

Trump 2016

6 years ago

I see good things and bad things with this Trump guy.....

Trump 2016

6 years ago

I favor the 'false flag' theory of Trump's candidacy. ^_^

(To be clear: I don't actually believe this, much as I might like to. Really, I just wanted to bump the thread for 'poetic' purposes. XD)

Trump 2016

6 years ago

13 and 14 are the only parts I'd have to agree on.  12 just seems idiotic.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

Yeah, I kinda agree on his thoughts about currency manipulation (it would help the issue, certainly, but it would also make luxury items basically impossible for middle-to-lower class citizens to afford).

Everything else is kinda bullshit. Especially 12, as 3J said, that alone would have been enough to turn me off him, though that bit of crap about building a wall across Mexico (and making them pay for the wall XD) was almost as bad.

Also, that story about him paying off the nameless, unseen old couple's mortgage? Oh yeah, toats real guys XD

Hmm, the guy asked current long-term employees whose entire jobs and livelihoods depend entirely on Trump's good will about Trump, and they said they loved the guy? Mindblowing!!!!!

Trump 2016

6 years ago
Hmm. TIL.

Well, the only thing I agree with Trump on is economic policies (which is his specialty). The rest is meh or no way.

Deez Nuts 2016

Trump 2016

6 years ago
  1. I agree that we should be compensated, but if we have an interest there (such as protecting ourselves) then I think we shouldn't charge them. At that point, it is mutually beneficial.
  2. Si vis pacem, para bellum. I think having rules to warfare is a stupid concept anyway. Then again, I don't want a nuclear holocaust.
  3. I have no reason to disagree with this, I'm surprised that people aren't naming this point.
  4. Again, I agree. I see no reason to treat terrorists as anything else. Being nice to these people does nothing for us. We should also emphasize how we torture them.
  5. I disagree. I don't think we should completely cut ourselves off from foreign competition.
  6. No comment
  7. I'm in full agreement with this. Walls may be an old concept, but they work. Let's think about this as your own home. Would you like to have a house that had no doors? No fence (if you have a fence)? No windows? It's essentially the same thing here. You wouldn't want someone just walking into your home without your permission and doing as they like. You don't know who these people coming through are or what they're capable. They could be good people that just want to help out, but they could also be looking to cause harm. That's enough of a reason for you to want some security in your own home.
  8. I'm not educated enough on that to make a sound stance.
  9. Again, I don't know where to stand on Obamacare.
  10. No comment
  11. No comment
  12. WTF?
  13. The schools I've attended in California use common core, and I think it really sucks. I've talked to some teachers about it and they even agree that it holds alot of students back.
  14. I'm pro-choice and always will be (and think anyone who isn't is an idiot), but this isn't an immediate turn off.
  15. You know, after looking into this matter more, I actually think taking away guns would be more beneficial. So yeah, now I'm for gun control. Turns out that I've flipped on quite a few issues...
  16. I also support same-sex marriage and think that anyone who doesn't is an idiot.
  17. I agree with this. The death penalty should be expanded.
  18. Meh

Sorry, I was also in a rush when I typed this. So not much time to expand on everything.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

bump for poetry

Trump 2016

6 years ago

What are you? Some kind of beatnik?  XD

Trump 2016

6 years ago

And I shall bathe in the sweet, sweet chaos of Earth, being renewed by the madness.

Trump 2016

6 years ago

I don't like Fallon or Trump, but I thought this was pretty funny haha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2DgwPG7mAA

Trump 2016

6 years ago
xD didn't expect him to actually be there