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Romance

2 months ago
I want to write a romance story, but I don't how to start and I can't come up with a good plot either. Can I get some help or pointers?

Romance

2 months ago
You're in luck, we've got this!

First, make one or more of your protagonists an alien spider.

Romance

2 months ago
Comic relief or romanceable, I can do both at the same time too

Romance

2 months ago

Sounds like my dream girl, for real.

Romance

2 months ago

Not bad advice really.  It worked for Adrian Tchaikovsky with Children of Time.

Romance

2 months ago

Romantic plots live or die based on the comparability of their characters. A pair of romantic leads should represent some kind of lack or flaw in the other 

Romance

2 months ago

Whatever you do: Don't make it a fucking self insert romance fantasy

What you should do is look into different types of romance stories. Could have something like star-crosssed lovers or another trope.

Romance

2 months ago
That would be funny to make one of those Y/N stories, always a good laugh.

Romance

2 months ago
Read a lot of smut, take out the sex

Romance

2 months ago
This sounds like solid advice

Romance

2 months ago
Okay but seriously, if you don't even have a plot in mind, it doesn't sound like you actually want to write a romance story.

Come up with something you want to write about first, then incidentally categorize it to a genre. You're doing this all backwards.

Romance

2 months ago
I have several plots in mind, I'm just kinda struggling to make them into a good story. I just want a little bit more to go off of, some more ideas.

Romance

2 months ago

If you haven't written a single word, it's not time to be looking for other people's input. 

Romance

2 months ago

Did you take a wrong turn on the way to the CoG forums?

Anyway it’s sort of hard to give any sort of advice when you haven’t told us some of the vague ideas you even have.

I mean I could tell you to write about being some simp that joins the imperial army in some hopeless attempt of trying to move up the ranks so he can impress the ageless galactic princess just because he saw her once as a child visiting his planet and thought she was just the most beautiful purple skinned four armed babe ever, but maybe you weren't even going to have a scifi setting.

Romance

2 months ago
Yeah, we really need something to go on.

Romance

2 months ago
Well now I changed what my plot is, I'm definitely doing End's idea. And something about a gas station my girlfriend suggested. The gas station story is about two people who work at a gas station together, and they get together that way by working together.

Romance

2 months ago
Be sure to add some plastic bags

Romance

2 months ago
If you bag your snacks at the gas station you are strange. Just hold the two things per person, not that hard.

Romance

2 months ago
hot gas station sex but its hot cause there's a fire and they dont notice cause they're so in love

Romance

2 months ago

Wait, so is the cashier a 4 armed purple chick?

Romance

2 months ago
It's two separate stories, your story will be much longer so that one is on hold while I get feedback on a shorter story, which is the gas station story. With feedback, your great idea will hopefully be made better with great writing. I forget to be concise when I talk, so it kinda gets confusing.

Romance

2 months ago

So this is a "full service" gas station?

Romance

2 months ago
What is a full service gas station?

Romance

2 months ago

You should learn how Google works.  It's a thing.

But for the context of your story, it would be a gas station where one of your characters gets fully serviced.

Romance

2 months ago
You put quotes, so I wasn't sure what you meant. And none of my characters will be getting fully serviced, or if they do it'll only be implied because it won't be at the gas station.

Romance

2 months ago

Fair enough.  But it would make the gas station element a bit more interesting.

Romance

2 months ago
They could get "serviced" with a "plastic bag"

Romance

2 months ago

Do you need some lube?

Romance

2 months ago
Now THAT'S a gas station romance!

Romance

2 months ago

I prefer Diesel 

Romance

2 months ago

Why does this sound really good though? Id read that, and if it was executed well id like that.

Romance

2 months ago

It's my idea, of course it's good.

Romance

2 months ago

Id actually love to read something like that from you once you're finished with soulless! One can only dream. 

Romance

2 months ago

Well maybe one day. I have to work on Paradise Fortress after Soulless.

Romance

2 months ago

Is paradise fortress going to be a sequel/prequel to paradise violated? Or will they be unrelated? 

Romance

2 months ago

Sequel taking place a few hundred years after PV.

Romance

2 months ago

Back when I wrote Spell of Slumber, I attended an online writing webinar and read a few articles on this topic, though I can summarize most of the advice in three key points.

1. Balanced Dynamics

First, you have to make sure your characters are balanced. One of the most common reasons people aren't invested in a romantic relationship is because they don't like one of the characters or hink that one character doesn't deserve the other. This occurs when you have a one-dimensional love interest who is just there for the protagonist to pursue, or if one of the characters is a perfect angel whereas the other has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Therefore, make them both equally as likable and relatable. Note: you could still play around with characters of varying levels of morality or internal struggles, but just make sure that the reader actually cares about what happens to both of them. Even if this isn't the case at the start, as the story develops, the reader must find the love interest 'good enough' for the protagonist to remain emotionally invested or vice versa.

One easy way is to make them both equally desired/ talked positively about by other characters. Another is to ensure they do an equal number of good or bad things to/ for each other. In SoS, I rewrote entire scenes because one character was acting too hostile while the other became too accomodating instead. It's all about give and take. But this doesn't mean the main couple has to be likable either. In a certain book which I can't mention due to spoilers, both protagonists are equally bad people so when they end up together again, the reader is satisfied with this ending.

2. Compatibility

Malk already mentioned the gist of this, but you must show why these characters are meant for each other. Is there a reason the protagonist should end up with this other person, as opposed to another side character or even the antagonist? Answer this question consistently throughout the storygame, whether through moments where they challenge one another to grow, help each other correct their misbeliefs, or discover that they understand one another like no other side character can. 

A technique I like is to temporarily put your main couple with different people, make things go badly, and have them realize how much their true love interest actually complements them. Alternatively, tropes like forcing them to work together to show their combined strength or have them support each other in difficult times may be helpful. Just be careful that it doesn't become a toxic trauma bond instead.

3. Affection

Your characters have to bond, whether this means sharing secrets or letting down their guard around the other person. There's a rule that goes something like this: if they have to kiss for the reader to know they're in love, you're not writing the romance well. Even if they start with an awkward first encounter or begin by hating one another, as the story goes on, allow their dynamics to naturally change. 

My favorite scenes are: deep conversations (potentially with arguments to show a clash of beliefs), us-vs-the-world mentality (use it for high stakes stories) and saving one another from danger (physically, emotionally, etc). Some characterization ideas include: an independent character being forced to rely on one another, a betrayed character learning to trust again (you could add a plot twist if you want to play with readers' emotions) or basically any characters that can overcome a misbelief through the relationship. It also helps to give both characters a goal that isn't falling in love, as this makes them better developed characters. Bonus points if their goals conflict with one another's. 

Bonus tips based on comments I've received:

"The magic of a good romance is for me that the couple has to have a life of their own beyond their romantic interest, but by being together with their loved one makes them a better person overall."
--- Darius

"I've read a lot of bad romance in fantasy as it seems to take a backseat to the action that's going on in the story. I loved how you have woven it into the narrative."
--- Axxius

"It reminded me of how the strongest relationships often begin with that rare ability to just be ourselves, flaws and all, with someone else."
--- MrCrimson

Romance

2 months ago

Speaking of character dynamics, will you ever finish the third step of this thread?

Anyone reading who struggles a lot with character writing, definitely read both the above linked thread as well as Mystic's other stories (which I should definitely do as well, they're just too long and beautiful to read in a short period).

Romance

2 months ago

Thanks for the reminder. I assumed everyone forgot about that lol. I wrote a few more paragraphs of the third step a couple weeks back, planning to possibly publish the full version as an article instead, though I put it aside to work on reviews. 

Romance

2 months ago
Start with a boy and a girl.

They can be bees if you like

Romance

2 months ago

Speaking of bees, Bezro, I recommend this well-researched, informative storygame Ogre has written about them: link

Romance

2 months ago

Or birds.  Birds and bees.

Romance

2 months ago

Squirrels, even

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2 months ago
It's never been done

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2 months ago

Why do you want to write a romance story?

Romance

2 months ago
Commended by EndMaster on 9/6/2024 1:34:04 PM

His only opportunity to interact with a female?

Romance

2 months ago
Just seemed fun, something new to try. Hell maybe I'll be good at it

Romance

2 months ago
I'll just say that a romance can't exist in a vacuum any more than any other character relationship. Your really need a good plot, period, before worrying about whether it's a good romance plot.

But also it's really difficult to offer anything but the most general and generic advice when you haven't written anything or even described anything you're thinking about writing, people really do need something to go off of to try and help you.