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Portland is worse. 

Was going past Seattle and you can see billows of gas coming up from it. Heard somebody was shot from some bastard who was running their car into a crowd. Portland in flames. Louisville full of BLM militia ala black panther. More feds being sent places to enact fascism or something. 

My hometown had yet another BLM gathering, but it was yet again like a comfy barbeque. Joining the celebration was several middle school track coaches who are well known Proud Boy organizers. What a lovely time.

I don't care for destroying random properties but at the same time it's fuckin' Starbucks, they treat their workers like shit and have more than enough money to build three more gentrified slave houses down the block. I'm not kidding, it's Seattle there is a Starbucks on literally every street. Hipsters go and take selfies at ralies to show to the rest of their white friends over their zoom meetings for creative writing. Real activists gear up and go.

I don't like people getting hurt, but sure as hell nobody cared before we started dunking white guy statues into the river.

I wrote this at 3AM and decided to crash instead of waiting for the replies. OTL Good morning! I'm sorry that I came off angry, I'm more tired than anything. There are still things I stand by and I'm not just some hipster, I'm somebody who actually goes to protests because it's something I care about. I don't expect to move anybody with my words because I know the way this place works but I guess I'll clarify things.

"My privilege" has me giggling a bit, although I know I certainly have my own advantages. I'm not going to attack you or make any judgments of you because I don't know your life, and from what I've heard you're in a very difficult situation and you work very hard. I'm sorry that you have to go through so much trouble. I am only 21 but I have worked at least somewhat, as hard as I can and it hurts to hear you tell me I haven't because I am a person on the internet who is a younger than you. We come from different perspectives.

I am half Arabic but I look just brown enough to get people to tell me to go back to Pakistan, even though that is not my heritage. My mother raised me mostly by herself and we were in low-income housing with other mostly colored children. We ate some form of cheap-bought couscous and sausage every week. It was kind of fun. My mom worked extremely hard at a family restaurant where I tried to help out as much as I could, cleaning the place after hours and filling up salt container because I was a dopey 8 year old who thought I was really doing well. Later I would take jobs around the docks, cleaning people's boats and my neighbor taught me how to patch sails. I worked at one of my father figure's construction sites, doing all manner of things but messing up because I had no muscle lol. Lots of fun really. As soon as I turned 18, I escaped my household and enrolled in college. We did not have any money. My mother was injured and still injured and unable to work. I ended up working at the town McDonalds (it was the only place in walking distance, 50 hours a week) nightshifts so I could got to school (basically studio style development, 3 days a week, two hour bus drive there and back, 7-9 if you include that ride). I would show up to school without sleep and by Wednesday, I would be going to work without sleep. Then I would walk home an hour and crash into bed smelling like fries. They made me work overtime but still managed to underpay me. A friend of mine had seizures several times there but they only closed the store for a few hours before opening it back up, even if he was still shaky on his feet. I know it's just McDonalds but it was a hard, miserable experience and I would rather break my arm in construction than go back.

I do have privelige. I am lucky. I get to work from home doing the thing I went to college for with a comfortable rate where I make my own hours. I do not have to go out and deal with people. I have that luxery. I worked for it, but I have it because I was lucky to get that email for that job. I still have to pay back my college. They kicked me out a few times, because I was unable to make the monthly payments with my shitty job. I am very young still so I have not had as much experience in the world, but I would like to put forth that I have had some valuble experience in regards to wage-slaving, to being bottom of the barrel in terms of money, in going hungry for the night, in being told that you don't belong here you fucking sand nigger. So I am not protesting because I am angry on behalf of the injustice or that i see myself as some kind of savior, it is actually because I have seen the world from a certain perspective and I wish for things to be different. So it is not just blind rage. 

I can see how violent I sounded before. I do believe that destruction of property can be protest, specifically when it is federal monuments or government related things. I greatly dislike the destruction of small businesses. They are innocent people who have their small company trying as hard as anyone else. I might've been a bit bitter about Starbucks, as my experiences there were less than pleasent but I am less concerned about that place specifically getting wrecked as there is LITERALLY A STARBUCKS ON EVERY CORNER (sometimes even two) and it is easy as hell to transfer. So I'm still not upset about that.

There of course, are rowdy "protesters" that do no good. They cannot be excused. But I still find it upsetting that we judge protesters by their worst participants when police officers and other federal workers are simply considered "a few bad apples". I can see why people are upset. There are loud and annoying people marching in the streets, screaming and disrupting the status quo, and everyday life can no longer go on as it always has. The bottom line is that it is this country's right to protest, and the government is not allowing that or changing in the slightest so people are taking matters into their own hands. It is messy, is scary, but it is the voice of a people who cannot continue to survive with this life that's been stacked against them.

Ah! What a long winded speech! So meandering! I'll get off my soapbox now. "It hurts to hear you tell me I haven't because I am a person on the internet who is a younger than you" is a line sure to get anyone over the age of 12 snickering, I'm sure. Ahaha, no matter anyhow. I hope I explained the perspective a little bit better? I doubt anyone is going to care, but if ythat's the case, you're all just randos on the internet and we live in a simulation. I'm gonna eat cheerios now.

"There of course, are rowdy "protesters" that do no good. They cannot be excused. But I still find it upsetting that we judge protesters by their worst participants when police officers and other federal workers are simply considered "a few bad apples"."

What's the difference between this and ACAB?  The protests as a system are subject to issues similar to the ones experienced by policing as a system.

Part of the problem is also that a lot of information is getting twisted, suppressed, or weaponized.  Most people can get along with most people, but enough people are assholes to make it seem like they can't.  But hate doesn't create love. 

Pretty damn sure you and I would get along just fine in real life, for example, despite our differences. 

I'm sorry, I hope I'm reading this correctly. Protests certainly have their own issues but the issues are vastly different from those plagueing the police system (the corruption, provoking of violence to create crime, tampering with evidence etc etc)

I'm afraid saying "most people get along just fine" is a very niave thing to say. Are you refering to the racist/political issues of today? I have no reason to believe you would treat me indecently. I'm sure you are a very fine person. But you being a fine person does not fix the underlying problem of what we are protesting. You being kind to me does not fix the fact that people are getting lynched, that my hometown is a hub for Proud Boys, that my uncle is very proud of his Klan ring, that my best friend was threatened to be killed for walking down the street. If you are refering to political issues, it's best to think of it like this: Give them inch and they'll take a mile. Maybe your neighbor is nice and peachy but if he's proud of his Nazi flag, don't tolerate it. If he claims that the confederate flag is a part of his heritage, don't tolerate it. I don't keep in contact with members of my family who are pro-MAGA because the movement is reflective of their character and beliefs. It's one thing to simply have coffee, say, with a friend who has a different view with you but it's another to tolerate harmful beliefs that essentially say certain types of people should not exist simply because of what they were born with.

The BLM movement was peaceful (taking a knee, petitions) but very little was done at that point.

Again, I'm sorry if I misread you so feel free to bash my internet skull in if I took this completely the wrong way. I hope this makes sense.

I don't feel the need to bash skulls online, it's the most pointless thing. I just don't think you'll be able to see things from a point of compassion, unfortunately. Whether you know it or not, I can see the influence that your ties to the Klan and MAGA have had in shaping your views. 

...I hope you know I am very against these things? Of course these things have shaped my life, because they are very real groups that exist today. I remember being told to leave a certain part of town because of my camel jockey roots, and not understanding what that meant (mind you this is more East, in those small hick white towns with all the farmin' and whatnot). I refuse to treat hateful people with compassion because doing so is to allow people with the intent of destroying you into a community that is meant to be safe. You do not let your dog into the chicken pen. I don't know what else to say, but as somebody who has been hurt by these practices, I am completely justified in this line of thinking. I am very aware that my upbringing has shaped my views and it has allowed me to see the ugly side of small towns and everyday life that need to be changed. Are you telling me I should be kind to... Klan members?

Maybe look into Daryl Davis. 

He's a respectable man. But there is a very real danger of so much as interacting with Klan members. This man is clever, he's talented, and most of all he's lucky. Are you telling me, a young colored person to walk into a Klan meeting, stand up and say "I think we all gotta hold hands a little" and chill out over ribs? Do you know the violence these people enact? Do you know the gangs of Proud Boys that beat the shit out a black kid in my town until he took his own life? It is kind. It is compassionate. But it is a beautiful miracle that is even happened, a miracle that he did not get hurt, a miracle that they did not come after him first. I'm afraid you're painfully niave about many things. I don't know your background or if you have ever been spit on by a fully grown white man before for having a little more melanin than the average bloke, but to have the audacity to tell somebody at risk of being killed to walk up to the killer and make it their responsibility to save them....You are relinquishing the other party of their responisibility. That's all I'll respond to you with, I know I seem very angry but it's quite a blow to see people with such a light-hearted disposition when it comes to a subject where they are most likely not the ones at risk.

I'm sure most people have been put through at least some serious shit for immutable characteristics.  As far as Daryl, you can't chalk it up to luck that 200 Klan members over 30 years hung up their robes. 

Even if you have trouble seeing it, we all share some level of a common human experience, and it is compassion and understanding that is the bridge in between, not violence and hatred. 

To your other point, it is necessary to sacrifice for a higher, more noble purpose sometimes, and you can't argue that it was safer back then than today. 

so you're literally saying the lives of my people is worth the redemption of yours

Mine?

And no. This is the worst possible reading of it. 

No, that's the exact reading of it. You said it is necessary to sacrifice for a higher, more noble purpose. That purpose being to redeem fully grown white men who hunt my people for sport. You literally said it's our responsibility to end racism. You're saying that sometimes colored people have to die to make sure white guys stop being in the KKK. That's what you're saying.

Look, I don't know if you're white or brown or what, but it doesn't even matter at this point because you clearly have no idea what it's like to be in danger for not being wonder bread.

we throw wonderbread soaked in whole milk at him. we shout "go white boy, go" alas, he is chained. he cannot go. the suffering continues. back to going back to corgi with the weather.

I'm saying that everyone has a role to play in making the world a better place. I'm not referring to anyone by their skin color or responsibility. 

If you want a world full of love, add love. If you want a world full of hate, add hate. 

noooooooo mizal pleaaaaaaaaase no i want to hear it. Me (an autist) has been arguing with this other guy (a bigger autist) and honestly i want to hear it. I'm having fun but I'm also learning a ton about the "harmless" racism ingrained into everyday life. I beg for text wall.

Also I have no clue why me explaining my experiences would make me so great and noble. OTL I'm just giving background for my viewpoint. So you can feel free to poke holes in that.

The "your" people remark was pretty funny, I don't have Klan family members.

John Cleese sums it up pretty well. ^_^

We should all unite against kid diddlers.  Seems like a reasonable common cause most people could get behind. 

Gah, I keep digging myself a hole! I feel like I'm falling down an abyss of internet shittery. What mistake this all is. But I'm fired up, so I guess I might as well~!

And also! I like you, Cricket. But now I'm scared. I reeeeally hope my reading comprehension has taken a flight to Jamaica, I really hope I'm reading this threaded view all wrong, I really hope this doesn't say what I think it says. I really hope you're not saying that if colored people stopped "acting like damn savages" they wouldn't get lynched. That these hate groups wouldn't exist if us damn colored bloods wouldn't stop niggerin' up the place. I really hope I'm reading this all wrong. Please confirm I am reading this wrong.

Aw shit. Looks like I have things to work through. I forgot to take my anti-racism pills this morning. I have the urge to draw extremely offensive Jewish caricatures right now...

Hiya Mizal! I'm gonna go through this, respectfully, so let's get this bread. I doubt anything will change and everyone will continue calling me a faggot but unfortunately for them, I like being called a faggot. It gives me power. It's such a fun word. Is it a kink? Who knows. Resuming getting that bread.

• "But it might help you to understand if you occasionally interacted with a normal person and didn't see the entire world in terms of extremes and of people who should/shouldn't be allowed to exist."

I don't know how the red line quote thing you do works, so we'll be working ike this. And yeah, that IS how the world works! I don't wake up everyday thinking "man who is gonna lynch me today". In fact I am very unaware of my skin until it is pointed out. I don't constantly think of extremes. But as somebody who is not within the demographic of "normal everyday American", I am often subjected to a rude awakening. What is your definition of "normal"? My friend Johhny, a native man, recounts tales of being called "Dirty Fuckin Indian" when leaving the rez. My friend Samson still vividly remembers getting beat to shit at his Alabama school for being trans. A plane crash was being reported when my step father abruptly said "put all the queers on a plane and crash it, it'd be doing God's work". Look, I don't wake up in the morning looking to get slapped in the face with this stuff. But it happens. Because some people view others as targets and they're ready as hell to shoot. I do interact with a wide array of people! But unfortunately this IS normalcy. We live in the same world but we are seeing different parts of it. https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/04/09/race-in-america-2019/

• "Isolating yourself from your family only makes sense to me if they were actually abusive or something. (I didn't read the big text wall of your sad life story so maybe they were.)"

Lmao, sorry about that one! I got very fired up. I was basically saying that while I am young I do have experience in working, although I'm sure not as much as many other people here. I do have an abusive household, I've lived with extremely right-wing people all my life who openly talk about me in a very bad light due to my race. Despite my acheivements, I am not worth the time of day. So it's pretty epic that I ditched them as soon as possible!<3

• "Humans are complex enough that "character and beliefs" comes down to a lot more than just whatever political message they accepted after it was carefully packaged and labeled and fed to them."

  You're right! But if I were to vote for Trump, that means I'm supporting his cause. That means I'm supporting my neighbor getting deported, that I'm supporting the ugly words he says. Does everybody who support Trump support rape? No freaking way! But they are still holding him up, still backing him, and that kind of ignorance is the kind that hurts people.

• "But ignorance isn't the unpardonable sin, and half the time the asshole boomers I hear repeating the same talking point they saw on Fox all day are the first ones to step up and help someone when they need it."

  I take back a little something I said. I haven't cut off one particular set of MAGA supporters: My grandparents from my adoptive family. They are very kind to me, and I am kind to them. We have a good time. It still is deeply upsetting to hear them regurgitate harmful nonsense at the family dinner, though. Things that genuinely hurt people in real life. They are sweet, but their ignorance doesn't exactly excuse the harm their ideology causes.

• "I know everyone is addicted to being angry now and the internet magnifies this a thousand times, but it's interesting to me that the left has rejected the idea of 'tolerance' altogether after so many years of claiming they were the sole source of it."

  I brought this up when talking to the ninja guy. Don't let a wolf into a field of sheep. The people we aren't tolerating are literally racists who don't want us to exists. You have to shut that stuff down before it grows. I'm confused as to what you want me to say here, because the answer seems really obvious. There are people who want to kill us, and we don't think that's cool. And I guess some people really think us saying no to these guys is bad thing...?

• "humans are always going to have more in common at the most basic level than anything keeping them apart."

  It's true. But real shit? Not everybody sees people like that. The KKK in that Daryl Davis interiew literally says that black people have a latent violence gene. These hate groups see others as somehow less than human. There is an actual history of scientist fudging numbers to show that black people are less intelligent than white people. Natives are regularly refered to as savages. This subtle language seems like a joke, right? But it's indicitive of a culture that view some people as people and some people as others. I can garuntee you that the white guy that told me to get out of town did not see me as an equal person.

• "Everybody in the world sees themselves as the noble underdog hero of their own epic story, refusing to even try to understand them is a failure of basic empathy and slams doors shut that never needed to be. And cutting yourself off from people just leaves them to their echo chamber and removes any chance that they'll ever have a reason to reexamine any idea they have."

  You're right here too. It's important to look at other views, to analyse your own, and to be highly critical of both. I am half white. I have lived with white people. I do not hate white people. They are people, so I am truly no different from them. But I can see the ugly underneath, the folks who say I shouldn't be there, that I should never have been born. And then I see my mother, a true blonde blue-eyed damsel laugh awkwardly when Uncle Kenny asks if I've washed enough with all that sand in my skin.

  I am half african. I have lived with colored children. We have fun with the white kids too, running around the jungle gym and rattling off naughty spanish slang we learned from each other. It is fun and diverse and the food is cheap and good. But I can see the ugly underneath when a mother tells my neighbor to learn the fucking language (and she does) at a student teacher conference. 

  You're saying the right things. You're asking for empathy. I'm asking for empathy but nobody will give it because we are lying, we are making it up, we are annoying and baseless and maybe if we just shut the fuck up and sat still and were good little niggers we wouldn't get shot in the street. We are begging for understanding. This entire conversation people have been calling me faggot (my favorite word) and saying "if they didn't act like savages". How can we be empathetic and kind when the other half of the conversation refuses to look us in the eye? To even attempt to put themselves in our shoes? CYS is very much an echo chamber and even as I bring my point, i've been yet to be met with any kind of respectful answer (I guess you, Mizal, but you seem really put off for some reason). I don't mind all the words. It's just difficult to see a site I grow up with with writers I admire talk in such a way. I'm happy to recommend reading on colored people's experiences, if anybody wants to shoot me a dm.

Ah, how long winded! I expect you skip all that. My hands hurt a lot, you know. I blame you, even though this was my own decision to write this! I admit i'm a little sad as well. You encouraged me to write, and I was a bit depressed but I did it because somebody appreciated it, so I'll be always thankful for that. I'm afraid I can't sit well with these views. Nothing I can do to change them. It is hot out today so I will take a break and eat some edemame. Fake virtual money on you calling me a faggot again <3

I never disrespected you.

I havent read much if the thread but...

Puds, I like you, but I pee on you. A lot of pee.

I pee on those dumb fuckers that took six blocks of seattle. I especially pee on the perpetrators of the numerous shootings in that area. Im glad that the police apparently rode in there a while ago and gave them the ass beatings their parents forgot to. I hope they made the guy leading the thing cry like a bitch.

I saw a video of a bunch of veterans who got into a fight with those antifa asswipes. The majority of the antiffies trying to swing got swung on and I only wish I could have been there to literally pee on one. Thise vets deserve some trophies.

I pee on anarchists, communists, rioters, all the other similar scum and wanna be not so civil rights activists.

I pee on anyone that doesnt love our flag and the beautiful constitution and what it stands for. 

I drank alot of water to prepare for this and my bladder hurt a lot, but the relief was so much more sweeter.

They also have some sort of college program, but I don't know the specifics.  All of the people who work there that I've spoken with liked it. 

Chill dawg.

Of course they're not killing black people there, they're too busy beating up pakis.

So I don't have time to read through this whole thing and I don't really know the jist of what's going on here so can someone inform me. 

I'm going to be civil and not get mad so I hope that you can open your eyes and try to understand and see logic.

The reason why I'm responding this post is because a lot of the things in this post are actually misinformation. Yes, #BlackLivesMatter actually does have a goal. The group of protestor's are different and seperate from the rioters. Now when it comes down to tearing down confederate statues and flag's then it is rioter's and protestor's combined because tearing down symbols of hate is a group effort, but when it comes down to burning down bussiness or burning down things unrelated to the blm movement protester's and rioter's are different. 

About 75% of looter's are actually white, and yes there are black rioter's but we can't condem them. You have to understand that rioting is the language of the opressed. So yes I don't encourage burning down bussiness but the people who are burning down bussiness are in blinding rage, (thankfully most riots have decreased, and the ones left are police insinuated). 

Here's an anology imagine having someone kill your child, and then kill your neighbor's child, and then kill your neighbor's best friends child, and they're only killing your children. Wouldn't that be infuriating as a parent wouldn't you want to burn the people who are opressing you and taking your children away down. You would, if you wouldn't you are either a lousy parent or lying to yourself.

Now some of us proceed to burn things down, while other's pray and peacefully protest but you need to understand the anger that the Black American community is feeling right now. It's the type of rage that will mindlessly lead you to burn down a bussiness, it's the type of rage that will leave you with erratic insomnia, it's the type of rage that makes you hate yourself for not being able to make change. 

And then add in the fact that the majority of rioter's are just white teenager's from the suberbs who want to see shit burn. 

And then add the fact that WHITE SUPREMACIST: CIVILIANS, AND POLICE OFFICERS are doing something called acceleration, which is basically the tactic of causing mass civil disrupt just to tear apart the political system and ensue chaos. 

Article Link Here

Youtube Video Link Here

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007262407/umbrella-man-minneapolis-video.html - This is the video of the infamous "Umbrella Man" who was a white supremacist's that broke into an AutoZone bussiness with an axe, later that day the same AutoZone was set on fire.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/video/4572949-police-searching-for-brian-bartels-who-is-accused-of-inciting-violence-at-peaceful-pittsburgh-protests/ - Here's another white supremacist Inciting Violence.

So we can't condem the rioter's who are just mad, we can't support them either. And we definitely can condem the boston

Now you can say "Well what about the protests that start peacefully and then turn violent later"

The majority of those conflicts are started by unmarked secret police which where sent by Donald Trump to capture and detain peaceful protester's. These federal agents are violent and have been inciting violence 24/7 in Minneapolis and since the departure of these Federal Agents data shows that the riots in Portland have significantly decreased, infact the OVERWHELMING majority of protests in Portland are now very peaceful.

Please be careful.  There is a lot of disinformation being put out.  I won't say who is right and who is wrong, but please make sure that you check multiple sources, including original footage.

A lot of people are being lured into falsehoods.

I will say that I do disagree with the subject line.  Riots should be condemned because we can't function as a society when any one group can decide that they are going to turn everything upside down through violent means.  Imagine if the riots were coming from the other direction.  As they say, the pendulum swings and I kind of like living in a peaceful society.  Peaceful movements have the most profound impacts, violent gains often are only temporary.

That's actually incorrect not to be rude, but the history book's time and time again show that revolting and rioting is the most effective way to free yourself, although it is the most painful. The American Revolution, was started by the Boston tea party, where American's rioted against unfair taxes, yet the same people who are condemning the riots today, treat the founding father's like hero's when in fact they burnt businesses down, and dumped tea in the ocean and killed people to get what they want which was a free nation.

This nation that was founded on VIOLENCE, has sustained itself for almost 400 years. India although most people use Gandhi as an example of peaceful protesting, but that's not true Gandhi wasn't the only person who was against the British oppression. 

https://theconversation.com/the-forgotten-violence-that-helped-india-break-free-from-colonial-rule-57904

Next example the civil right's movement, most people weren't taught this in school classic case of propaganda that Martin Luther King Jr. was the reason why the civil rights bill was passed, incorrect. What actually happened was that after MLK was shot 8 days of absolute demonic rioting was ensued, which forced the hands of politicians to pass the Civil rights act.

Now im going to address your point about living in a peaceful society, that is your problem. You don't understand that AMERICA WAS NOT A "PEACEFUL" NATION FOR COLORED PEOPLE. Everyday we are being beat and lynched and then having police officer's claim these obvious lynchings as suicides. We are being killed by the very people who were hired to protect us.

We make up 13% of the population but make up 34% of deaths by police shootings, we are THREE TIMES more likely to be killed when unarmed by police officers, FOUR TIMES more likely to be tasered, FOUR TIMES more likely to be expelled or suspended, ONE IN FIVE black American's live in poverty which means worse school systems, and all around less opportunities to succeed, we are FOUR TIMES less likely to be accepted into a college, and having a white name gives you a FIFTY PERCENT better chance to get a job when having an equal resume, and here's the worst one of all of them we are  SEVENTEEN TIMES more likely to be sentenced to life for minor crimes, such as robbery, or making a school zone violation.   

America is racist, so this "peaceful" America you are talking about only exists for white people, and when it is much more easier for you to ignore out cries for help when were not burning down your bussineses or waving torches in your face. I know it is uncomfortable I know it doesn't make sense to think of America as racist, because you were brought up on propaganda that showed cops always got the right answer out of criminals when they used excessive violence, and that black people are angrier and wild. I mean literally racism Tigger the tiger from Winnie the Pooh, was used to stereotype and represent black people as goofy and animalistic in children's minds.

You where taught that everything is as it should be and it's not and know where waving torches in your faces and you can see the inequality. This same thing happened almost 300 years ago with the American Revolution which was founded of off riot's, and America hasn't seem to have fallen yet. So if 10 years rioting and revolting means implementing a system of love and peace that will last for 300+ years I'm all for it. 

Here's a good quote, "Protesting can't be deemed peaceful by the system that's being protested." 

This is why it's important to be careful. 

Are you talking about America? Slavery still exists today in England, America, and other developed countries. Most slaves nowadays are actually women who are being sex trafficked and being forced to work in factories, this is especially bad in England.  

And right now we have a president who supports concentration camps in China, we have our own miniature holocaust in the U.S. to called detention centers where I.C.E had killed over 3,000 kids, raped over 2,600 and these are only the reported cases. We have a president that has a ban on almost all African, & Muslim countries when 70% of terrorist attacks are actually domestic. 

Sooooo, if your talking about America, where actually still extremely racist in fact we where ranked the second worse developed country to raise a family.

Look I know that they're are a lot of minorities who live in the suburbs, In fact I myself live in the suburbs, I went to a racist school in the country and I have a lot of experience with these type of things.

I actually remember wishing I was poor because everyday I would be getting bullied because of my skin color. I remember wanting to commit suicide at age nine because I got suspended for four days for standing up and to the kid's who where bullying me and then I got home coming home to my parent's who beat me and called me a failure for getting in trouble. I remember my Mom who almost got arrested because she called the cop's on someone who was abusing her, and they told her they "didn't understand" and that they where going to "arrest them both"
 

White privilege, is having everyone in magazine's look like you, it is having to not fear for your life when pulled over by a police officer, it is not having to be scared every time you see a MAGA hat, or someone with a confederate flag, it is not having to be thought how to react when a police officer is around, it is having everyone in the history books being white, it is not being allowed to play with bb guns, or paintball guns when your 9 because someone might take it as a threat and shoot you, it is not being allowed to go to open houses because someone might think your stealing and shoot you, it is not being allowed to wear a mask around your face because you have anemia and someone might take it as a threat and shoot you, it is being allowed to jog, play, breathe, walk, live without having to constantly be self-aware of every white person you pass, because you can literally never know, white privilege is having to not have to be on your knees at age nine, with tears streaming down your eyes begging Jesus to have mercy on you and make you reborn as a white person your already tired of being black, white privilege is not having to be perfect because if you are caught stealing a backpack you could be sentenced to life by a racist judge, and an all white jury.

White privilege isn't about what you have gone through, it's about what you haven't gone through, and honestly I wish the pain & sleepless nights I have experienced as a black person on nobody.

Cause in the end racists don't care whether I graduated from or what house I live in they care about the color of my skin. So yes America is only truly peaceful for white people, us minorities are suffering and we need your allyship to stop this oppression. I listed of numerous facts in my last post and I can list of more if you need me.

So that's what I mean America is like my super skinny 6'1 150 lb body the promise is great, but it's going to take a lot of work to get there. 

I've always thought that the TV (or in this case a magazine,  but there's not really a difference) white privilege argument was so fascinating.  Wouldn't it make sense for the appearance to represent the majority? I don't think it's really a white thing. Also, why can't people relate to and enjoy experiences that are different from their own?  I was obsessed with Family Matters growing up to the point that I slept with a talking Urkel toy.  I'm not an alien or Japanese, but that didn't stop me or my black friends from absolutely nerding out to DBZ after school. 

People are capable of sharing cultures and they should, since that is what brings people together. 

Family Matters was a good show. I have a hard time re-watching if because I find laugh tracks too cringy now to listen to, but as a kid it was a lot more interesting than the usual fare. Urkel was great. Never had a toy of him though.

One of the daughters on Family Matters (the one that disappeared suddenly mid series) grew up to do porn.

He would say,  "Hehehe... did I do that?"

I 'member. 

Did you just miss the whole point, there's accepting eachother's culture's which is great, I'm all the way for it and I completely belive in that. And I guess you are right about the whole magazine having white people but that's beside's the point please stop turning a blind eye to the issue.

I wanted to kill myself because I wasn't white, I fear for my life because i'm not white, there are so many things I have to go through just because of my skin color, being brown or black is literally initself an issue. 

There's a difference between ignoring culture and turning a blind eye to someone's pain.

That's like watching your neighbor's house light up on fire and saying that "it's their culture."  

I'm sorry that you felt that way.  I did move past a lot of things that you've said because of flaws in the reasoning.

So, what's the solution?

(Just have to say that your analogy is poor) 

Those are rookie numbers, I'm 5 times more likely to be killed by our police and we're even the same color!

Really? 

Really! In fact, we don't even have to do anything. They will just randomly pick you up for extorsion and/or murder. You just have to wait for them. You wouldn't believe my surprise the first time an American told me the police were meant to keep people safe. As if!

Yeh, wow that really is insanity! I once heard a rumor that American Police incarcarate more people in the world than any other developed country combined like I said before INSAAAAANITY!!

Um, I'll address the last 2 paragraph's which are really insensitive, first of all I'm not painting white's as racists, or monsters, I'm painting racist's as racists. This isn't white against black or black against cop's it's everybody against racists, and it just so happens that 92% of republican's are racist and that the overwhelming majority of these 92% are white. 

I'm sorry that you haven't been hearing about the suffering that African American's have been going through for just existing and I hope that you take this moment to inform yourself and your friends, so that you can be on right side of history. I'm also sorry that black people aren't complaining 24/7 at work about systemic racism. Um... most black people are just grateful to have their jobs because they know how hard it is to get a good paying job as a black American. 

And yes the virus sucks and it is affecting us all but sadly the president of the united states thinks that it is still a hoax and literally said "It is what it is" when asked in an interview about coronavirus deaths. Sadly because of poverty and black & Latino people working more essential job's, having more people per capita, and having health issues because big fast food companies like McDonalds' & Burger King target these communities with very low prices forcing them to eat from their fast food joint's which is actually leading to obesity in the Black & Latino community. Black & Latino people make up 52% of the coronavirus death's when they make up almost 30% of the population weird right.

Same with Native American communities which because of their culture and their more natural lifestyle's are being disproportionally affected.

I do enjoy a good old natural casino

Starbourne we'll takle the issue of why everyone who votes for Trump is racist tomorrow Good Night everybody!

They should say what they need to say. 

Always a good option. It is annoying, the whole "here, let me drop a wall of text but gotta go!" thing, though. 

I was saying that America has existed for the past 300 years, oml I meant like sustained, like existence. We are definitely not great.

So you'll listen If I start rating games? 

I was asking Mizal? & no i'm not going to @ her

Wow, this is kind off depressing. People like you are the reason why change never happens. Landlubber's, you just go with the flow and never rock the boat. Truly depressing, I hope you enjoy your average life, with an average wife/girlfriend, and maybe even average children. 

Personally that couldn't be me. When I see someone drowning I go after them and pull them back up to the surface even if it means I have to rock the boat. As long as people are being oppressed I will fight for their freedom.

I get what your saying in fact you sound just like my father. With your pessimistic "shit happens, just have to rise above it" view of life, and YOU should live YOUR average life that way. I'm not going to tell you not to. But for me I won't rise above the unfairness of life, I will fight so that other's don't have to "rise above" the unfairness of life. I will fight for every child to have an equal opportunity and I will fight so every person will be able to at least have a home as a right. I will fight for free healthcare, and fight for racism to end, because I am a fighter. I refuse to live a non impactful average life, I refuse to sit and turn a blind eye to the suffering of other's unlike you and apparently everyone else on this website. 

I do have initiative, more initiative than you have ever had in your lifetime. My initiative is to make a change everywhere I go, with everything I do. My initiative is to fight for the freedom of other's and sure the path might be tough, sure I might get criticism but I will keep on fighting. So no my mindset isn't of the lazy or the beaten, I have the mindset of a warrior and you will not bring me down. 

I don't give two craps if nobody care's about me, or if I'm a worthless loser with a trash personality. I don't matter to me, what matter's to me is the fact that you are turning a blind eye to the painful cry of help from your fellow brethren. What matter's to me is the fact that people see the horrific things people are going through and they don't care. What matter's to me is that ignorant's like a lot of the people on this website exist, and are okay with being on the wrong side of history. As long as everything stays "peaceful." That's what bother's me

Sadly, I understand now that there is nothing I can do to make an impact on this website. You all have already decided to once again be on the wrong side of history. It is hard to argue with an intellectual but impossible to argue with an ignorant. 

Also by the way, those monuments you are talking about aren't actually monuments they are stautes of hatred, and opression. Basically the modern equivalent of a statue of hitler. 

It's been over since Zanzibar. 

Enterpride, 

I mean most of the time I don't have a black & white view of the world. Like when it comes to healthcare for all or other political issues. But when it's about human rights, and the rights of homosexuals, minorities, and women. There is no agree to disagree. There is no middle ground. 

Silence is on the side of the opressor. You stay silent you are on the worng. Just like if your a bystander while watching someone get bloodied for no good reason. So yes it is black or white, your either racist, or anti-racist, there is no middle ground. 

Also who said you had to be violent to be anti-racist? Please don't make assumptions you don't have to be a rioter to be anti-racist. All you have to do is sign petitions, protest (preferably peacefully), and vote for people who aren't racist. I never said you have to be violent to be racist, I said just like MLK to not condem the violent ones because they are fed up with the system. 

Please don't talk to me about my relationship with my father is a narcissist who manipulates and prey's on others weaknesses. I trust God & know in all my heart that God will guide me to the right career, and lifestyle for me. I don't want to become a doctor drowning in death working a job I hate to get underpaid by my employers, same with being an engineer, or a teacher. Because thank's to our beautiful president every middle class worker is getting scammed by billionaire's who don't even have to pay taxes.

So yes in today's society anyone can make it if making it means slaving 80 hours a week to barely get ahead of your student debt, mortgage, and credit card bills. I mean what's the point of working so hard, if you never get to enjoy it. I want to live a life were I don't reap my success in my 60s after I'm old and broken. I want to live a life were I enjoy things in the moment, were I enjoy my children, my wife, my God. So your right, I can make it but I choose to enjoy life instead.

Also don't tell me that I haven't had hardships in life we all have. Everyone suffer's that is inevitable so please don't that was really rude even for you.

What do you mean don't play the hitler card. I understand that I can never understand everything your grandfather suffered to keep you safe. But you can't understand what my ancestor's went through. Your grandfather sounds like an amazing person. And I'm glad he set such a strong foundation for you and your life. But please don't talk for him, you don't understand what it feels like to have open symbols of hate waved around you 24/7. Nobody (besides neo-nazi's) erect's statues of Hitler, and I'm sure if someone did you would want them to be destroyed. Your grandfather sounds like a smart man, smart enough to realize that you don't need statues of hate to remember the past. They don't erect giant statues of rat's yet we all know about the black plague. Historian's and great teacher's preserve history, not statues.

I mean 70% of these monument's which help us celebrate murderer's were literally erected during the civil right's movement to scare black people back into submission. 

Real talk. 

Is Starbourne vs. Deep Thoughts considered black on black crime?

In anycase, so far Starbourne's winning.

I'm sorry if it felt like I was complaining. I wasn't if anything I thank God for my pain because I know he's going to use it to his glory later on in my life. My whole point of that section was me trying to explain the struggle's I a middle class kid from the suburbs have to go through still. 

Like I said before privilege isn't about what you've gone through it's about what you don't go through. So I'm sorry if I came off as whiny that was not my intentions/

Now, here's the reasoning behind every Trump supporter being racist. It's pretty simple. You can say your not racist, right or say that you care for everybody. Which is great that you believe that but in the end as the popular saying goes, "actions speak louder than words."

So than to show that your not racist you would have to do one of these six anti-racist actions.  You could post information on social media, and support BLM on social media. Which is the most basic thing you can do as a BLM supporter. Next level is signing a petition, which is very important and does a lot, but is still not the highest level. Next level is holding friends and family accountable for racist comment's and actions. You can donate, which is really helpful because you are helping fund the movement. You can hold friends, and family accountable,this is very helpful if you help someone realize how they are acting wrong even if they refuse to change, because now they know they are in the wrong. Next level is protesting, this one is very helpful because you are giving up your body for this movement. As we all know police in most police in America, are very violent and a lot are also racist. They tear gas, and beat peaceful protesters for know real reason. Going out and protesting is very telling of whether someone is racist or not.

Now here's the most important thing you can do to prove your not racist is to vote for non-racist officials. 

Yes Biden is racist, and not the brightest, but Trump put a ban on ALL Muslim & MOST African Countries, has tried to kick Immigrants out of our country multiple times, has raped 22 women, molested a 13 year old, and is a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein, Trump knowingly sent American soldiers to Iran & Iraq without briefing them on the fact that Putin put bounties on his head, Trump has killed approximately 105,000 American's through Horrific Coronavirus response, Trump has made so many racist statements that I will have to post them in their own separate post. Anyone who votes for Trump either lives on a remote island or knows he is racist. That action in itself is extremely racist and hateful. You cannot tell someone you care for their livelihood's and then vote for someone who is actively working to have that same person or people killed.

If you scroll to the very bottom you will find a comprehensive list of the major racist things Trump has says. Not all of them not even close to all of them. 

The action of voting for Trump is one of the most racists action someone can make so yeah, it is not comparing a rat to a rat. It's comparing your creepy pedophile uncle Lester, to a psychopathic serial killer who rapes his victim's after he kills them.

Well I guess I'll be voting for Trump again because as they say, "Why vote for the lesser of two evils?"

Trump probably won't win, but hopefully Sleepy Joe will provide 4 more years of foot in mouth entertainment.

Okay I will respond to all of your points, my bad If I cherry picked some it was hard to format my response, but I would hope you would give me the same respect. You too also cherry pick some of my statements and only respond to certain ones. Like how you ignored the point I made of how not all anti-racist people are violent, after calling us all violent cultist. I would like an apology for this to please.

Firstly, I will humbly apologize for calling you a psychopath indirectly. I did somehow liken you to my father and then call him a psychopath. I wasn't meaning to set a trap and then pull the rug out from under you but I somehow did. I won't assume your personality you sound like a very respectful and bright human being. 

You are kind off right about the mountain & the rock analogy. I don't plan on writing every citizen in America a personal letter on how to change. The only reason I decided to stop by at CYS and write, was because I just could not look away from the misinformation being spread. I just wanted to stop by and show people how the information they were spreading was incorrect, and how they could fix it. Because I consider you lot for some reason, as friends, and I'm always preaching to my in life friends to always hold people accountable whenever they make racist comments. So I just decided to practice my preaching. Yes it is an uphill battle but there are a lot of us, too. Hopefully one day I myself can become a respected influential person, with a platform where I can spread my "deep thoughts" but for now CYS will have to settle as my stomping grounds. 

I also don't plan on living a life where, in the name of enjoying my life, I ignore the cry of help from my fellow brethren. I personally feel as if there is a middle ground. Where you can help lift the mountain but also live your own personal life, and I hope that one day I find that balance.

No, you are incorrect in assuming that I would refuse to be a doctor or a teacher. I know that my dream job is a job where I'll be able to impact many people's lives. I personally feel as if making music, creative arts, and maybe even running for a political office would be the way for me to make the biggest impact on people's lives, but believe me I would not mind settling down to be a teacher, or a therapist. I feel as if those jobs would fit me very well also. So no you are incorrect but I won't hold that against you because I did make it seem like I would refuse to pick a normal job as my career.

Um, I would ask that we live religion out of this. My religion is my religion, and I know my God exists. Yes it might seem that I'm giving up my individuality when I allow God to pick my life path for me, but God created me and knows me inside out. He know's things my pet peeves, my flaws, and my strengths. He even knows things about me that I don't know. So I trust God to choose my life for me because I know that he will guide me to a life that best exemplifies his glory, and makes me happy. It's like the good dictator theory. I personally would be okay with someone being the dictator of my life, if I knew they love me, are very knowledgeable, and only wants the best for me.  So yes it might seem I'm giving up control over my life but I'm okay with that as long as someone who knows all is the one governing me. 

Um, yeah ignore the whole 80 hours a week thing. My Dad wants me to be a doctor and I see no point in being one, so that was a little bit of my emotion taking control sorry bout that. Like I said earlier I would rather help people learn how to take care of themselves, and lead healthy lives. Than heal people when they are sick. 

Ah, the Hitler card. You kind off completely ignored my point though. We don't need statues that where literally built to subjugate the African American community in fear. To remember slavery, just like we don't need statues of Hitler to remember the holocaust. 

When it comes to racism, you are either for it or against yes. That's just common sense you can't be in the middle ground when it comes to human rights. I said not to condemn them, if my child was taking part in the riots, you better be sure Imma punish my kid, but I can't condemn and speak from others, because you don't know their experiences. I mean MLK literally said the same things that I'm saying so are you comparing MLK to Hitler? 

Lastly, I did call around 30-40% of the people in my country rats, so what. Being American does not make you a good person. Just like having a daughter doesn't automatically means you can't be a sexist. There are a LOT of racist Americans out there, just like there are a LOT of racist Asians, and Africans, and Europeans. The only difference is that 92% of racist Americans are self-absorbed, hypocritical, ignorant, a-holes who refuse to see how their actions are detrimental, and racist. 

I mean the same people who would vote for Trump, are probably the same people who would've voted for Hitler during WWII. I mean Trump has openly praised Hitler, calling him a "genius", and "great person." So I don't get what your point is? 

I too hope we can continue this intriguing discussion

From your neighbor across the pond, Deep Thoughts.

To be honest Puddlebunni has probably already forgotten this thread and is now preoccupied with the latest shota porn.

But now I read both threads the entire way and it made me even MORE of a faggot.

I'm going to stop now

Most people with racist beliefs are just poor and uneducated

Not sure why any of you even entertained Puds' posts, let alone the wall of text noob, when a "Lol, fag." would have been the correct answer to all of it.

• 1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.
• 1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”
• 1988: In a commencement speech at Lehigh University, Trump spent much of his speech accusing countries like Japan of “stripping the United States of economic dignity.” This matches much of his current rhetoric on China.
• 1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four Black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent seven to 13 years in prison, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.
• 1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a Black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”
• 1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred Black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.
• 1993: In congressional testimony, Trump said that some Native American reservations operating casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”
• 2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of ads suggesting the tribe had a “record of criminal activity [that] is well documented.”
• 2004: In season two of The Apprentice, Trump fired Kevin Allen, a Black contestant, for being overeducated. “You’re an unbelievably talented guy in terms of education, and you haven’t done anything,” Trump said on the show. “At some point you have to say, ‘That’s enough.’”
• 2005: Trump publicly pitched what was essentially The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People. He said he “wasn’t particularly happy” with the most recent season of his show, so he was considering “an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites. Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world.”
• 2010: In 2010, there was a huge national controversy over the “Ground Zero Mosque” — a proposal to build a Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan, near the site of the 9/11 attacks. Trump opposed the project, calling it “insensitive,” and offered to buy out one of the investors in the project. On The Late Show With David Letterman, Trump argued, referring to Muslims, “Well, somebody’s blowing us up. Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff.”
• 2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first Black president — was not born in the US. He even sent investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a “carnival barker.” (The research has found a strong correlation between “birtherism,” as this conspiracy theory is called, and racism.) Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.
• 2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, “I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?”

For many people, none of these incidents, individually, may be damning: One of these alone might suggest that Trump is simply a bad speaker and perhaps racially insensitive (“politically incorrect,” as he would put it), but not overtly racist.

But when you put all these events together, a clear pattern emerges. At the very least, Trump has a history of playing into people’s racism to bolster himself — and that likely says something about him, too.

And, of course, there’s everything that’s happened through and since his presidential campaign.

On top of all that history, Trump has repeatedly made racist — often explicitly so — remarks on the campaign trail and as president:

• Trump launched his campaign in 2015 by calling Mexican immigrants “rapists” who are “bringing crime” and “bringing drugs” to the US. His campaign was largely built on building a wall to keep these immigrants out of the US.
• As a candidate in 2015, Trump called for a ban on all Muslims coming into the US. His administration eventually implemented a significantly watered-down version of the policy.
• When asked at a 2016 Republican debate whether all 1.6 billion Muslims hate the US, Trump said, “I mean a lot of them. I mean a lot of them.”
• He argued in 2016 that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who was overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”
• Trump has been repeatedly slow to condemn white supremacists who endorse him, and he regularly retweeted messages from white supremacists and neo-Nazis during his presidential campaign.
• He tweeted and later deleted an image that showed Hillary Clinton in front of a pile of money and by a Jewish Star of David that said, “Most Corrupt Candidate Ever!” The tweet had some very obvious anti-Semitic imagery, but Trump insisted that the star was a sheriff’s badge, and said his campaign shouldn’t have deleted it.
• Trump has repeatedly referred to Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) as “Pocahontas,” using her controversial — and later walked-back — claims to Native American heritage as a punchline.
• At the 2016 Republican convention, Trump officially seized the mantle of the “law and order” candidate — an obvious dog whistle playing to white fears of Black crime, even though crime in the US is historically low. His speeches, comments, and executive actions after he took office have continued this line of messaging.
• In a pitch to Black voters in 2016, Trump said, “You’re living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?”
• Trump stereotyped a Black reporter at a press conference in February 2017. When April Ryan asked him if he plans to meet and work with the Congressional Black Caucus, he repeatedly asked her to set up the meeting — even as she insisted that she’s “just a reporter.”
• In the week after white supremacist protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017, Trump repeatedly said that “many sides” and “both sides” were to blame for the violence and chaos that ensued — suggesting that the white supremacist protesters were morally equivalent to counterprotesters who stood against racism. He also said that there were “some very fine people” among the white supremacists. All of this seemed like a dog whistle to white supremacists — and many of them took it as one, with white nationalist Richard Spencer praising Trump for “defending the truth.”
• Throughout 2017, Trump repeatedly attacked NFL players who, by kneeling or otherwise silently protesting during the national anthem, demonstrated against systemic racism in America.
• Trump reportedly said in 2017 that people who came to the US from Haiti “all have AIDS,” and he lamented that people who came to the US from Nigeria would never “go back to their huts” once they saw America. The White House denied that Trump ever made these comments.
• Speaking about immigration in a bipartisan meeting in January 2018, Trump reportedly asked, in reference to Haiti and African countries, “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” He then reportedly suggested that the US should take more people from countries like Norway. The implication: Immigrants from predominantly white countries are good, while immigrants from predominantly Black countries are bad.
• Trump denied making the “shithole” comments, although some senators present at the meeting said they happened. The White House, meanwhile, suggested that the comments, like Trump’s remarks about the NFL protests, will play well to his base. The only connection between Trump’s remarks about the NFL protests and his “shithole” comments is race.
• Trump mocked Elizabeth Warren’s presidential campaign, again calling her “Pocahontas” in a 2019 tweet before adding, “See you on the campaign TRAIL, Liz!” The capitalized “TRAIL” is seemingly a reference to the Trail of Tears — a horrific act of ethnic cleansing in the 19th century in which Native Americans were forcibly relocated, causing thousands of deaths.
• Trump tweeted later that year that several Black and brown members of Congress — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) — are “from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries. It’s a common racist trope to say that Black and brown people, particularly immigrants, should go back to their countries of origin. Three of the four members of Congress whom Trump targeted were born in the US.
• Trump has called the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus the “Chinese virus” and “kung flu.” The World Health Organization advises against linking a virus to any particular region, since it can lead to stigma. Trump’s adviser, Kellyanne Conway, previously described the term “kung flu” as “highly offensive.” Meanwhile, Asian Americans have reported hateful incidents targeting them due to the spread of the coronavirus.

Geez, I said I'm already voting for the guy, you don't need to convince me.

I didn't write them I copied and pasted it just so you guys could see the enormity of his racist comments, these aren't even close to all of them.

This is exactly why I said you have to be careful.  There are a lot of people dictating a narrative with zero regard for you or anyone else.

True, very true. Welp I think my the website I used was preety credible, but you can disagree if you want to. That's something that we can agree to disagree on.

Unfortunately, what you think is credible doesn't really matter as just at a glance I noticed some lies that are easily refuted just by going to the source, something that is rarely done, apparently. 

It needed to be entered into the record. 

Ya cállate pinche gringo

To be fair, he never said the deep thoughts were his own. 

"The action of voting for Trump is one of the most racists action someone can make so yeah, it is not comparing a rat to a rat. It's comparing your creepy pedophile uncle Lester, to a psychopathic serial killer who rapes his victim's after he kills them."

Now I wouldn't want to assume here, but I'm guessing in this analogy, Biden is the pedo and Trump is the serial killer. If this is the case, then this is a really bad one if we're supposed to be choosing Biden, since the serial killer is the better one to go with.

The pedo will be molesting a ton of kids. (Not killing them though) These kids will most likely grow up to be all fucked up. At best, they're going to be going through therapy, have orientation/gender mental issues, having a lot of random sex spreading diseases like whores, etc. At worst, some of them becoming pedos themselves and perpetuating the cycle.

The serial killer on the other hand is at least killing his victims, so they won't be fucking up anyone else with their PTSD. When the serial killer dies, all his evil dies with him. There's no mention of who he's targeting either, so there's also a chance he's killing a few people that deserve to die anyway.

Hell, he's not even raping the living. He's raping them AFTER he kills them, so there's not even the sexual torture involved for the victim before they die.

So basically what all this means is the serial killer AKA Trump is the better choice.

Also "Your Creepy Uncle Lester" sounds awfully specific...

Salient points. Team serial killer for the win. 

Personally, I think S.M.O.D. is a great candidate. Something for everyone.

Discriminate? Never! The Sweet Meteor of Death will destroy all lifeforms equally. (Except maybe deep sea bacteria.)

Hate working for a living? SMOD will end your need to ever work again!

Hate high tax rates? SMOD will not only wipe out your taxes but your debt and all oppressive regulations to boot.

Hate Trump? SMOD will wipe him out and even the memory of him will be erased from the Earth.

Hate the police? No police either once SMOD splashes down! 

Hate anarchists? Not a single anarchist will be left. Enter any group here - men, furries, Republicans, social justice warriors, people who take forever in the check out line - S.M.O.D. will wipe them all out, never to concern you again.

And to top it off he's the most honest candidate there is, isn't an old white guy, isn't a career politician, and plans to bring perfect peace on Earth at last.

One question, you said stuff about sex trafficking, how has Trump a known sex trafficker helped stop sex trafficking in your area.

Also Trump didn't even build the full wall he built about 76 miles, of a 500 mile wall.

Yeah, it does sound awfully specific...

And I meant creepy by touchy, and a little bit starey, not molestery. Like he's always trying to unrobe kids with his eyes, not actually physically unrobe them.

Also I have to ask how Trump being racist, and self destructive makes you want to vote for him more. Do you really want to see the end of humanity, I thought that was just your site name? 

Maybe.

Okay, thank you for allowing me to be able to speak. I'm not really sure why I'm still rambling on about all of this anyway. I mean your right, no ones listened to me, and nobody here really cares about what I have to say. Maybe I gave myself the false illusion of being able to help others when in reality I can't convince everybody. I used to be on the site back in 2016 made an account participated in a contest and then I got banned and left for like 2 years. I would check up to see how you guys were doing every now and then. So August, 1st I think I went onto the site to see how you all were handling current events and what I saw shocked, and disappointed me. I thought that I would try to show you & all the other Cystians' why you were wrong , and how to not be in the wrong. 

My purpose in this thread, is to just show you all what white privilege is, why you shouldn't condemn rioters, why voting for Trump is in itself a racist action, and why America is a bad country (ranked 2nd worst developed country in the world by the U.N.), and how to fix help make us a better place to live.

My presence on the site doesn't really do much, I'll probably drop in with some deep thoughts, and use this as an outlet to get my views out. I might write one story game for a contest I joined, and I might review a game or two, but so far I'm pretty occupied with convincing you lot to see. I don't fall on the spectrum but I probably have ADHD, although my parents refuse to get me tested. 

I appreciate your perspective, though I don't appreciate your arrogance.  It's fine to have a point of view and all, but refusing any possibility that you could be wrong (or misled) and expecting others to have the maturity to accept someone else's position (as long as it's yours) is ridiculous.   I am willing to have a good faith dialogue, but that's not what any of this is. 

 I'm sorry if I sound that way, but you do have to do something though. You can claim your against police brutality and all, but if you haven't done anything ( I'm not saying you haven't ). Than you're in the wrong, silence not taking action is on the side of the opresser. I mean voting for someone who's openly condoned white - supremacy and police brutality is in itself racist. That's all I'm trying to say, I only came here to clear some things up that I saw and knew where mis-information. I'm not saying go vote for Biden or go do this or go that. What I'm trying to say is that you have to do something anti-racist, like signing a petition on change.org or holding your friends accountable, or abstaining from voting for a racist. 

If not I'm not comparing you to Hitler. I'm comparing you to the people who supported him.

I mean were talking about racism? That's like saying that I should be open to believing Hitler was correct? There are certain things that yes I will be open to changing my view, but when it comes to human rights that's a no go.

How many times do people have to tell you that Trump isn't Hitler

No he's a more idiotic version, they share the same ideals. We have concentration camps in America, and Trump has openly supported the concentration camps in China. The only difference is we live in a different world than the 1940s and Trump is stupid.

That may be, but from the looks of things he was trying to be diplomatic.  It still doesn't excuse saying something like that, but it doesn't make him Hitler.  Even if he really did mean what he said, it still doesn't put them in the same league. Last time I checked, he's not actively rounding people up and murdering them or attempting to take over the world.  The fact that you're even allowed to say something like that proves my point.  If he were really that bad, you'd already have been arrested by the secret police for treason.

Trump says some really stupid things, I'll give you that, but it's like you said, actions speak louder than words.

EDIT: Oh, he's dead. Guess that means I win the debate. 

Well if you're not going to keep an open mind, then there's no point in any of this.

I think there are probably two premises on which we disagree. 

The first is probably that we don't agree with what is actually taking place during modern events. 

The second is likely a disagreement on what is fully encompassed by the term human rights. 

Lol, you just fucked yourself by admitting you were a former banned troll from 4 years ago.

As a general rule, trying to sneak in under the ban is grounds for getting banned again unless you're going to prove useful.

Besides actually writing something, making story comments, etc, you'll have to give us what name you used to go by.

Failing to at least give the old name out by the end of the day is going to just result in another ban. Granted, you could just pop up again, but the long winded "woke" schitck you're doing now won't fly since we'll know its you.

Don't worry though, regardless of what happens, we'll keep your posts up since they're hilariously cringy and retarded and we like to laugh at faggots like you.

"unlike the African American community"

I think we all know Trump is the bigger and nastier racist, but it's really sad what Biden has been allowed to get away with, simply for not being Trump. Some of the statements he's made about and to people of color are just unbelievable and would be career ending in any other situation. He really couldn't figure out how to acknowledge that Latinos are diverse without getting a jab in at the "simplicity" of the blacks, it's just baffling.  

And no, I'm not sure why I read this entire thread either.

Almost too bad he got banned, since I'm pretty sure any entry would have been fabulous at breaking my patience and sanity.

Okay, I was the Davefaster account from a while back. Got banned in 2018 I think. 

I've been watching this from the sidelines since the moment you joined and have done a pretty good job of keeping my mouth shut up until now. Political discussions really stress me out if I'm not in the mood for them, and I haven't been for a long time. But the sheer arrogance of this post gave me just the kick in the rear I needed to get off the couch and speak my mind. Probably gonna regret this later when I'm ten text walls deep into a pointless argument, but whatever.

Do you honestly think you're going to convince anyone of anything this way? You might have had some miniscule chance of changing someone's mind up to this point, but now you've pretty much thrown it away. Telling people outright that they're wrong and that your sole reason for being around them is to change that destroys all of your credibility. Not only that, but it's rude, close minded, and arrogant. Have you ever stopped to consider that everyone believes that they're right about everything? In that respect, you're no different than Trump himself. Once you realize this simple fact, you must also accept that not every one of them can possibly be right about everything, no matter how many facts and well reasoned arguments they can pull out of their back pockets to support it. This, of course, also applies to you and I. It is impossible for any one human to be right about everything. I guarantee that both of us have certain beliefs that are just blatantly false. I know this because there are a lot of very smart, wise, and kind people on both ends of the political spectrum, who really do want to change things for the better. It's just not statistically possible that everyone on one side is virtuous and good, while everyone on the other is malicious and evil.

You said you believed in God earlier, so that means I get to use Jesus as an example. Jesus didn't hang around sinners just so he could convert them. Yes, they needed him, and yes, he still helped them see the error in their ways, but it was never about him being right and them being wrong. Jesus ate with prostitutes and tax collectors because he loved them and wanted to be with them, despite their sinful nature. That's the entire reason for his death on the cross, because when it comes down to it, none of us are going to get everything right, but he still wants to be with us anyway. And just to solidify my point, the people Jesus came down on hardest of all were the hyper-religious folk who thought they were right about everything and looked down on others just because of it. 

If you really want to make a difference in the world, you'd better stop judging the people in it and start respecting them, regardless of what you believe. I'm not saying you shouldn't fight against racism or injustice or whatever, just that you shouldn't let it get in the way of loving people. If these were your close friends or family, it'd be a little different. You can, (and sometimes should), call the people close to you out on things when they're wrong. If you've built the relationship well, it won't come across as hateful or arrogant, and there's a good chance you might actually change them. But arguing with strangers on the internet does nothing but make them dislike you.

Some food for thought before I wrap this up. Even if fighting racism is the call on your life, it doesn't mean everyone else has to do it to. Different people are given different assignments by God, and it's not your place to judge them for not having the same one as you. Some are called to teach and others to lead. Some are here to fight suicide or drug abuse, others to spread the word of God. Some are called to aid the homeless, others to aid their peers. There are about a billion problems on earth, and if everyone put all their energy into tackling just racism, there wouldn't be anyone left to deal with the other stuff. It still breaks my heart that there are racist people on earth, but I've got other fish to fry.

And by the way, I don't think burning stuff down is the best way to go about making change. That just creates more problems, not less.  

You're really having fun with this one, aren't you?  This is seriously some great entertainment value.

America bad

Because people still don't understand that America bad

Excuse you, by the end of the month I will have a feature worthy storygame published, mark my words. 

Nuh uh

Coins is right, I will have at least fucked his mom double that amount by the end of the month.

I mean... it still could be.

"Okay, I was the Davefaster account from a while back. Got banned in 2018 I think." - Deep Thoughts Throat

Fisted Dave joined in January 2019 and got banned December of 2019. Unless you were just some nameless lurker, you weren’t around on the forums in 2016.

This all sounds like bullshit, since the dates don’t really line up if I double check the emails, real names and IPs. Granted all those can be faked, but normally most return users are so retarded, they do something that links them to their old handles in some way.

Picking Fisted Dave as the black person to masquerade as was probably the WORST one you could have picked. Hell, even Jimmy would have been better.

But assuming if you really are Fisted Dave, this explains all the faggotry, which apparently only increased since you got banned multiple times last time (After you CLAIMED you were leaving FOREVER)

In any case, thanks for giving me a name, I’ll put this one with the rest of the trolling/spamming alts on your tombstone in the graveyard. 

Banned again.

I can't believe a guy who was this intent on posting thousands of words of moral posturing decided to ignore his chance to actually demonstrate these morals in a concise scientific test.