Oh yeah, someone called attention to that just today actually. Funny stuff, though I think all the recent Kiel excavation has grabbed the spotlight.
I'm not surprised you got banned though.
This is why you do this, as soon as possible...
Lol.
It's the "separate but equal" policy in CoG if a game doesn't quite match the requirements of the "official CoG" games, but it's still allowable under slightly less restrictive rules.
Basically HG authors are second class citizens.
From what I understand, the main thing that seperates the CoGs from the HGs (beside CoG authors getting paid more) is that they need to follow a REALLY restricted structure. Like, Jason has an idea in his head for how he wants a CoG game to be formatted and he wants ALL the games to be formatted in that exact same way, which probably has something to do with why HGs tend to be more popular.
When I entered The Lawless Ones into the CoG contest, I had a long list of things that I'd need to change in order for my game to be considered for the CoG label. One of the things was, "The author gets the option to choose what gender they are too soon. They should choose their gender later on in the game" ... I really did not get it. If the character has the option to choose what there gender is, then shouldn't they get that option relatively early? ... But nope. Apparently this goes against the CoG vision.
I should really post the list sometime, just for the lols. If I remember correctly, about 90% of the problems concerned "bad gender politics"... Which I think is some kind of fancy SJW word for sexism. But it was literally EVERYTHING that distinguished any kind of distinction between male and female.
For example, I programed a part in the game where if the player was a female someone called them a bitch and if they were a male, someone called them a bastard. Apparently, calling a man a bastard is fine, but calling a woman a bitch is "bad gender politics". Calling a woman an old hag, also "bad gender politics". Mentioning a woman is really skinny, somehow "bad gender politics". And my personal favourite, suggesting that a female wolf would consider the arrival of a new male wolf as a potential mate... "Bad gender politics." :p
Also, from what I've seen, Hosted Games tend to have a much simpler plot, that can be summed up pretty easily, whereas Choice of Games have a tendancy to add a lot of weird tinsel and baubles that don't really need to be there. Like:
Hosted Game Plot: A professional thief tries to break his best friend out of jail.
GoG Plot: Oh, no, no, far too simple. How about... A professional thief tries to break his best friend out of jail... But he's also a werewolf!
... That kind of thing. :p
I stopped going there because their moderation team got someone who was overtly zealous and they then threw in their weight behind Anita Sarrko, back when she was brewing her usual brew of drama.
I agree COG's offerings pale in contrast to the other offerings. IMO they flunked their access to Steam as well.
Oh hey I remember you being one of the earlier members that posted on the forums over there.
The Mage's Adventure is going to be amaaaaaazing, my favorite game ever by my favorite author ever. <3 Samuel Young. I've been listening to an audio version all morning while I do lines of coke off the supple ass of my Columbian boy-slave. Highly recommended if you can afford it. And the story too!
Amusingly someone told us recently that Suicidal Sammy released a new hosted game over there and given that he had his own axe to grind with COG (Making alts to shill his game, saying some mod was rimming Jason, bitching about the Samurai game, etc) it's hilarious he went crawling back to CoG AGAIN. (Despite still being banned on the forums there, lol)
Though not too surprising of course.
He made money for Jason and he's known to constantly rage quit there then go crawling back like a worm, so he's more "useful" from a company standpoint.
OMG, my heart! ^_^
Seriously, I think it's super amazing that people are still sticking up for me like 2 years after the event. Honestly, I thought that everybody besides people on CYS had forgotten that I existed by now. That's really made my day.
Also lol that pretty much every comment in the thread is just people complaining about how terrible the moderation is. ^_^
That's okay. I don't expect you to notice a lowly amateur like myself, since you're the super famous author of Tinstar and everything. :p
Lol that he added fucking Dan given that's just his meat puppet he has a hand up its ass.
Rose Court isn't an alt of Jason's. She used to go under another name that has plenty activity. And she is now a mod on CoG, I think.
Oh my God, I watched that Adam Toledo video seven times and I can't stop CUMMING!!!
Wait, shit I don't think I meant to post that here. Where am I?
Now I can't edit, FUCK.
look ..obviously I'm not the real Jason, my account was hacked.
I mean....I hacked his account. I'm not the real Jason. Whoever he is, I don't even know him.
Pog or something. See, it's not me.
*not him
Wait wtf, why is everyone here talking shit about me?
That's it, you're all banned!!!!
Glad to see the owner of CoG visiting and enjoying our freedom of expression policy here at CYS.
Where's Dan at? Busily doing your bidding no doubt, or perhaps also partaking in degenerate activities? Not that the two are mutually exclusive of course.
Well I thought I was texting Dan a few minutes ago, but instead I'm on a public forum full of all these toxic and problematic people. I believe I've been pranked.
I like how Jason is getting voted down on his own Reddit. Lol.
“Intentionally keep the bar low.”
Yep, just like I always said from day one, HG has always been second class citizenhood as far as the treatment.
“Well I is sorry massa! You be da bossman and we be good little niggers!” - What Jason wants to hear from his audience
"I appreciate that you think that, but you are wrong." ... Lol.
Well Jason's inept handling of everything as usual has allowed this particular rebellion to spread to other reddits.
Great success!
Here's a new thread I found. Some rando ranting about CoG authors who go ages without releasing any new content. Jason's response:
"(Unfortunately) getting paid far too little for it." ... ... ... Agreed. ^_^
I just find it funny that he's publicly announcing that he pays his writers way too little. :p
He just fucked himself (again) with that post. Lol.
Seriously at this point he's done more damage to his own reputation by being himself.
Should have had Dan spin doctor for him, still would have been bullshit but it would have been not so self destructive bullshit and he could have just blamed any "misunderstandings" on Dan.
Jason continuing to dig a deeper hole.
He should just stay off the internet while he's on his period.
When asked about contracts he said the only way to increase individual author's pay is by selling more books - so that's the CoG/HG job (the author's too if we are being realistic but they shouldn't be doing most of the work otherwise what's the point of having a publisher?
I don't know--in a situation where a platform is publishing an amateur's work without necessarily vetting the whole of its content or without it having an editor or copyeditor, I would guess the main work in selling more copies would be on the author producing a really high quality product.
I just thought it was weird that Jason admitted he didn't read Hosted Games but published them anyway. The very possibility that a game he didn't read (and wasn't going to read) COULD have had a long list of horrible torture and child rape etc secretly added to it without his knowledge was the reason he said he wasn't publishing Price of Freedom, even though we all know that game is clean enough it could be handed to middle schoolers without hesitation.
Caveat that I know very little about the innermost workings of HG, but I didn't take that to mean that nobody looks at it, just that he does not do so personally. Also, since all HGs have to be publicly beta tested on the forum, the content of the game will likely make itself known. But yeah, I would guess that HG that are accepted receive less scrutiny than CoGs that are accepted, no doubt.
I don't know all that much about it, but didn't somebody get fired over publishing one of the Samurai of Hyuga games, and not vetting the content thoroughly enough? Of course, they still kept the game published because... You know... Money! ^_^
but didn't somebody get fired over publishing one of the Samurai of Hyuga games, and not vetting the content thoroughly enough
Not that I know about.
Can't remember where I heard that. Will have to ask around.
I'm confused about what you are confused about. It might be the confused penguin profile picture, though.
"Why are Wayhaven/Fallen Hero/Samurai of Hyuga/Infinity Series so lauded despite being in the lower tier Hosted Games label? It's because of good stories, realistic characters, top-notch writing. Imo which are all things that not every CoG game has."
I would be surprised if every single CoG game were rated better than every single HG game. Those games you mention have tons of fans. Are you asking why they were published under HG if they are so good?
why a series that has been proven to be as popular if not more so than many in main line of games doesn't lead to any of the same support for the author, with marketing and editing
I can't speak to whether series that have demonstrated serious success receive a contract different from baseline entrants into the HG line. I would guess that for some HG authors full editorial control of their product, including a lack of deadlines, is an active benefit of being in HG rather than CoG. Certainly the money is the same for successful games of the type we're talking about.
Hosted, therefore complete crap published out of pity
That sort of tone I must have missed. Where was that bit?
To be fair, I think every thread I've ever seen him post in gives the general impression that he dislikes and looks down on everyone. :p
He did say the games had no quality standards and were published only to help the authors
Don't make me go through the Reddit thread looking for what you are referring to here about the "only to help the authors." I'll go quite mad. I can only take exposure to Reddit in small controlled doses.
Well then what's your opinion on why Jason is so adamant about not letting Hosted Games be mentioned on the subreddit?
I guess he wants to make a distinction between the two labels, like a publisher might want different web presences for different imprints. I don't know that I personally would make that call If I Ran the Zoo, but that's how it is. But I don't really know enough about it to know why it is or, or to care about having to click one button to get over to the HG side on the rare moments I want to look at reddit.
It's just a bizarre situation in general. Like was mentioned in the forums, reddits of certain subjects are generally created and moderated by the fans of said subjects, but I guess Jason just wants to have complete control over what other people say about his companies... More specifically, what people say about him. :p
Judging by what he's saying about how CoG and HG have "different missions" and "different customers" and "just because one customer is more online, it doesn't mean the other doesn't exist", I get the impression that Jason doesn't consider HG inferior because of the quality of content, but more because they're not woke enough for him.
Let me sum your points up so I can make sure I understand.
I think you are saying:
1. All Hosted Games are considered "amateur" works by the company (by which you mean they receive less advertising). I'm not sure how else you mean "amateur" there. Are there other ways that you mean that, or is it mainly the situation with advertising?
2. The company over all has "good" Hosted Games and "bad" hosted games, and having a mix of qualities published by the same label is confusing to the would-be purchaser.
3. The Choice of label has worse games overall than Hosted.
3. Reviews are not sufficient to determine quality of the games.
4. In general, customers have difficulty distinguishing the precise distinction between CoG and HG.
That's what I take as your points. Is that right? Can you correct me where I'm not following?
If people have questions, I don't mind seeing what they want to know about if it's something I can answer. That doesn't feel like a bad use of my time. I agree that there's a lot of confusion about the difference between the labels--I see that not infrequently on the CoG forum.
I need constant praise or else I smash my computer. It's a problem in class as well.
it's the perception that Hosted Games are made by amateur authors, less skilled than those on Choice of Games.
I would guess the perception is all over the place. For example, one problem I hear is "people have this big distinction between CoG and HG" and another problem I hear is "people can't distinguish between the two" which are, like, opposite problems, but you aren't wrong that different people get confused about it. For me, it's not confusing, because I talk about it all the time, but I get how people are confused.
I would guess the great majority of Hosted Games are made by amateur authors, in the real sense of amateur, where "amateur" means "nonprofessional" and not "less skilled." Don't conflate the two. Amateur is not an insult or a judging of quality. It indicates that the writer in question hasn't previously been paid for their writing. I imagine some HG authors may indeed be professionals, though, and choose an HG contract for other reasons.
Sidenote: I recently assigned a 4-6 page final paper, and someone asked if 5 pages were ok. I get confusion about stuff. Also, many many people are confused and think that a single person writes these games, or that there is a specific small group of people who collaborate to write them. Like, if there's a way to not understand a thing, it will not be understood by some group of people.
What do you think the best way to organize the games in Steam would be? I would guess that if you know the names of the games you wanted to buy, it would be pretty quick to look up the games in question, whether they were sorted into two labels or not.
To be fair, there's not really anything Gower can do about it.
Yes, that's true. CoG games get some more marketing support. A bit more, to my understanding. There are definite pros and cons to both labels, and this one is a small +1 to the CoG side.
Yes, there are deadlines, and there are certain style guidelines that need to be worked within for the CoG label. But yes, you also have the wonderful help of an editor and a copyeditor, which is great.
I assume they don't offer the contracts to anyone who asks?
Right. You have to have your pitch and outline accepted.
I personally think it would've been worse had there been a goat involved.
That site was defunct a long time ago, but due to everyone posting the pics, it got mirrored on a bunch of others.
Anyway, that's it for today's history in early internet trolling.
Join us next time for our feminist lecture on tubgirl and eel woman.
Never heard of them. Must google! ^_^
Well, now I know. Got to admire Japanese priorities. Very thoughtful of them to blurr tub girl's vagina to preserve her modesty. ^_^
Yahoo!! ^_^
I did. :p
See, Jason should have hired Gower to do his spin doctoring.
Also further proof of the superiority of our site in that we aren't silencing alternative viewpoints or banning people because of them.
Honestly the whole Intfic crew at this point are faggier than the tumblrinas that rebelled against CoG. Not surprised they lock stepped on this like the pegboy gimp slaves they all are.
The fascist feminine CoG penis isn't going to suck itself without IFaggot help after all.
