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Why even a little AI in your writing is bad

3 days ago

The author Jason Pargain has a good take on why using even a little bit of AI in your writing is bad.

In case you can't watch the video, here is a summary:
He first discusses an interview with an author who states that his readership demands a new book every couple of months, or his numbers start to drop off. To help speed up his production rate, he uses AI to generate room descriptions and other "meaningless details", with a specific example.

He then provides two examples, one from Nathan Ballingrud's The Strange and one from Carmac McCarthy's Blood Meridian, of room descriptions that simultaneously add depth and detail to the worldbuilder and giving context and voice to the POV character.

His central thesis is that using AI to generate the details is weak and poor writing practice because when you are writing there are no unimportant details. If it is too meaningless to describe, it shouldn't even be mentioned in the story. What are you thoughts?

The video because embeds don't work right here

Why even a little AI in your writing is bad

3 days ago
As somebody rather detail obsessed in his own writing I tend to agree. Doubly so on the point that if a certain description is unimportant enough to leave it AI you might as well not include it at all, which will probably be for the better as you won't bore your readers. Especially considering modern attention spans.

The only place where I could kind of see AI in writing is preproduction where you can use it as a substitute for bouncing ideas off of another person considering you won't be an annoyance to a chatbot, or just as a replacement for googling stuff.

Why even a little AI in your writing is bad

2 days ago
Yeah, I think if you can't write without AI you shouldn't be writing at all :)

Creative writing is a choice so it is not something you have to do and if you use AI I think very few people will respect you as a writer (and why would they? A monkey could probably be trained to hit the button on an AI generator and we might admire the technology behind it but the person who used it is completely insignificant). I can understand students choosing to use it for their essays, which they have to write to pass the course, but it is still a poor choice because they'll probably get caught and expelled and it also means they don't understand the subject so even if they get the qualification and use it to get a job they can't do the job well because they don't properly understand the subject in the first place (buying qualifications is a thing in China and leads to the same problem).

I kind of agree with Cavus that AI can be good for ideas. I admit to using Fantasy world generators or character generators in my younger years as ideas for the stories. The funny thing is I could never finish any of these stories, there was always a missing "human" element which meant I always really struggled to actually fit them into a proper plot or make these ideas into anything readable (tbf it could be me though, I'm not great with writing prompts either). I think AI will always lack the real "human" element which makes writing by King or McCarthy so interesting (although, parts of Twilight read like it was written by AI and it turned out to be one of the best-selling books ever, so...)

Why even a little AI in your writing is bad

2 days ago

And this is a good thing. The day that A.I. gains enough sentience to understand and express human emotions is the day we are all fucked.

Why even a little AI in your writing is bad

2 days ago
AI simply doesn't understand emotions. Even things like the way a room looks can make your observing characters feel things. Things that an AI would never be able to adequately express.

As far as I'm concerned, the only appropriate place to use AI in writing is if your protagonist is a robot or something because then it's authentic if you use AI to generate their dialogue and "feelings".

Why even a little AI in your writing is bad

2 days ago

I'm not a big AI advocate. Personally writing things is way better, especially since I like to be proud of what I write. A good description is something I worked hard on, ya know?

 

However, pulling ideas from AI isn't the worst idea. I've used things like name generators to get ideas for names of cities/characters before and AI could do stuff like that. It still requires some thought and skill though... it's not often that I've just taken a name from a name generator. They usually don't work by them self but can work like a prompt to help me think of a name. 
 

Even stories 100% written by AI have a place in the creative world. Stories that are generated for people who don't have the time or skill to write it out without it. I've seen the AI picture generators used to make logos for sports teams and other fun things. Mostly for a laugh or when there are no real artists around to do the work. However, they never truly compare, and it still requires some thought/practice to get the AI generated "art" to actually come out decent.

Why even a little AI in your writing is bad

2 days ago
AI for ideas is fair, I suppose. An author could refine such seeds of ideas in their own mind to create high quality works.

I don't agree with the art generators though, mainly because it replaces low level artists who are starting out. The issue with that is

Low level artist + time + effort = high level artist

Sure AI will only replace artists at a lower skill level, but among them are the ones who are supposed to become the future greats of art. Promoting AI in art might lead to a future where people with higher level of artistic skill become non-existent. It kind of feels like killing the golden goose to get at the eggs, y'know?

Why even a little AI in your writing is bad

2 days ago

That's fair... but I promise in the situations I'm talking about, not even low level artists are being hurt. The specific instance I referenced was a tournament my fiends put on ourselves... think of it as a pickup basketball game but with enough people that we had 4 teams. Each captain picked a team, then each team came up with a silly name, like "Dunkin Oreos". 
 

In this hypothetical, we then used AI to make a picture of an Oreo dunking a basketball as a joke. We made stickers with all of the team logos for people... but we wouldn't have done anything if it required hiring an artist. I think that's fine. However, if we were making a semi-pro team and wanted to make a logo for our merchandising, then I agree with you. It would be better to allow someone the opportunity than to use AI. 

 

Maybe we should be supporting local artists though, and if we do it again next year I'll suggest it. The teams only exist for like 2 weeks... but we could probably pay one local artist a small amount to make all of the team logos. I would be supportive of that. However, I have also seen things where people take their kids picture and turn them into a super hero with AI. It's all just for fun.

Why even a little AI in your writing is bad

2 days ago

My perspective is that AI shouldn't be used in any form of writing. While I wouldn't say that AI is completely useless (my family advocates for using it to 'make life easier' and I seem to be the only anti-AI person in my family), the only thing I use it for is as a more specific search engine than google. Even so, I really don't understand why anyone would use it for academic research. I once tried an experiment to get Chatgpt to quote a judge's opinion from a case and it made up a quote. After three times of telling it that its quotes were false, and to try again, I gave up and called the AI a pathological liar. The message said I was using a term that violates their code of conduct.

As for creative writing, I agree that no information should be added 'just for the sake of it'. I like stories that filter its description through the eyes of a protagonist, like how a rich character may look down on a fancy restaurant for not using the right silk tablecloths, whereas one with a poorer upbringing would marvel over the spotless plates. Descriptions are also used to further character or plot, or create atmosphere. What a character wears shouldn't be so unimportant to be delegated to AI since it forms your opinion of the character; same with their house, city, etc. And setting details are important; the principle of Chekhov's gun is an example of that. Even if we are not too concerned with the individual details, when combined, they have to paint an overall, consistent picture. A dimly-lit room with floorboards that creak and shadows that seem to shift against the walls casts a very different atmosphere from one with a fireplace, plush sofas and a table with flowers in the centre.

From a social pov, using AI might seem like a time-saver for drafting emails, but I've seen people use it for text messages, social media posts, and even speeches at events. To me, it feels like we're giving up the thing that makes us human. Such words should be written from emotion and memories, not an algorithm. Are we really letting AI take over our relationship with others? Besides, it makes people reliant on using AI, which gives those companies a lot of control.

Now, onto the larger world impacts and legal side of things, because I wrote an essay on IP law and AI. The existence of AI severely weakens the protection any creative has over their own work. One example of this is the Getty Images case - AI produced images that closely resembled Getty Images' pictures, even with a blurred symbol at the corner that is pretty much a distorted version of Getty's watermark. But here's the catch: the AI company in question could use their images without purchasing a license, and even create a rival business generating AI images based on Getty's photographs, all of which was considered legal. That's because AI needs vast amounts of data in its training stages and if it has to respect copyright and IP laws, then its progress would be significantly hampered, possibly leading to the death of AI corporations. So, academics believe it is unlikely that AI would be forced to comply with current IP laws anytime soon. A more relevant case is Writer's Guild, where many authors have stated that they never gave consent for OpenAI to use their work in its AI training process (they had evidence of asking ChatGPT specific questions about their book, which it could answer accurately). They sought compensation for loss of earnings as many of them lost out on copywriting, article writing or other similar jobs due to AI. A few even claimed for loss of reputation, as AI had attributed 'garbage writing' to the name of published authors. Anyway, I wouldn't ramble on since I realize how long this textwall already is, but AI essentially appears to be leading to the theft of creative works.

Why even a little AI in your writing is bad

2 days ago

I'm sure many people here agree with your views. Count me as one of them. I see it as a fun toy people will get sick of eventually. Like those apps where they repeat everything back to you in a higher-pitched voice. People were obsessed with that, then they found out you could place two next to each other and chaos ensued... meanwhile, I haven't heard one of those annoying apps in 15 years or so. 

 

I'm all for the fun of it. Be amused with a computer generated story, I guess. Then when the stories it has get old, hopefully people realize it's stealing them from actual writers and check out the originals. After that, maybe people are inspired to write a story for themselves. It could open the doors for some people who aren't lazy and look behind the scenes.

 

As for people getting dependent... that's a growing problem with everything. I know people who own their own house but don't know how to work a laundry machine... it's scary. I'm not sure what to do about it in general though.

Why even a little AI in your writing is bad

2 days ago
Honestly the current AI boom looks awfully similar to the dot com bubble from the late 90s, both culturally and economically although I'm speaking mostly based on second hand information since that crash was before my time. Eventually this bubble will burst as well and while AI won't vanish completely it'll lose a significant part of its appeal until it actually matures into something useful rather than just being made out to be that way by the marketing departments the way it is now.

Why even a little AI in your writing is bad

2 days ago
the dot com bubble comparison is quite apt, I feel, only with more environmental damage this time around.

Why even a little AI in your writing is bad

2 days ago

Fair, maybe one day we will have a more practical use for AI and will coexist with it in a logical way. It's hard to tell what the future will bring. Hopefully it's not matrix level and more like... wait, is there a relevant movie where technology isn't bad? 

Why even a little AI in your writing is bad

2 days ago
Star Trek Next Generations is the first thing that comes to my mind with Data, but I'm sure there's more examples like that.

Why even a little AI in your writing is bad

2 days ago
Bicentennial Man (1999)
Chappie (2015)
Short Circuit (1986)
*batteries not included (1987)
Interstellar (2014)