So, it seems like every Irish person I've met in my online presence, excluding Steve (GUMMYBEARS!!!) [sorry Steve I don't know you that well], has seemingly decided to be drunk (the ones that are of drinking age), when we first meet.
Sometimes, I just give up on ignoring certain stereotypes (and yes Steve I'm aware Ireland has been trying to pull away from the drunkard stereotype). From the lovely Evie who I once spammed to death just to see if I could get her cursing at me, (she pops in one Post-St. Patricks Day hungover as all get out), to Robbie who apologized for anything he might have said the first time we met (during the second time we chatted), because he had been drunk chatting...
I get it, stereotypes can be offensive (truthfully as a Southerner I find the whole dumb redneck thing hilarious not offensive), but then this phrase comes to mind: Stereotypes are often stereotypes for a reason.
Well obviously, people don't see negroids as a dirty subspecies of criminals for no reason. They are, across the board a dirtier race of criminals and thugs who move about in packs harassing the more attractive white women, colassing around smack dens and fried chicken joints. There's a reason black's have lower intelligence, of course, and it's clearly genetic. I mean, I get why they'd be offended when we point out they don't bathe, but come on, stereotypes are often stereotypes for a reason, and when we pretend niggers aren't acting like niggers, we hurt our culture, society and economy.
Steve, are you on the fritz, or is this normal for you?
Nothing at all actually. Your stereotypes...nah I'm not gonna be that one guy. As to Fried Chicken, man I'd say that's a southern stereotype as a whole (look at me talking as if the entire southern world is like an American Redneck.)
So I'll presume you agree with my obvious stereotypes that I pointed out, as I can back them with statistics, and we'll lead it at that. I mean, usually they're all just off their heads on crack.
A few of your stereotypes can apply to ALL Southerners. The rest would be those in the criminal caste.
Ah yes, as the blacks exist in a caste system.
Criminals do. Some are Black, Some are White, and Some wear yellow polka dot bikinis.
There's no criminal caste, you dimwitted fucktard.
Not a global one no, but there can be small individual setups. Then again, I'm probably misusing the term caste.
You are, but even if you weren't, not all criminals are crack-obsessed, women-raping groups of unintelligent morons, and its these stereotypes dipshits like you create that prevent actual discussion and understanding from taking place, all because you don't understand nuance.
We can't begin to know every background, but I can begin to theorize on how they work (disclaimer: this may not be all criminals), you have the narcissistic personality, the...crap I'm going behavioral analyst.
Anyway folks, I have to walk off. Steve feel free to rail at me all you want. Just don't drag people in...
He could have at least tried to make the argument that gypsies are the closest thing to a "criminal caste."
Well you can, but you'd be wrong, and doing exactly what I just said you were doing that was awful. Anyway, fuck you, I'll rail on anyone with awful belief systems.
Add Fried Catfish to the mix, and I'd be doubly pleased.
Anyhow, in regard to shitbags McGee's Irish comments, no, the Irish aren't a culture of drunks. It seems equally as much of an American aspect in culture, what with it apparently being a thing where you just get a beer when you get home and plant yourself in front of a TV, or go to a bar to avoid talking to your family. But there, in American culture that's seen as a single aspect, where the downplayed version in Irish culture is glorified to be the entire thing.
I could explain the intricacies of Irish culture and how much of it is connected to Western Culture in general, it's ties to English culture and I could translate it's slang usages, but unfortunately, due to the self-centered media, a general culture that holds up ignorance as a positivity and the general size of the US means that the people there are ultimately incredibly ignorant of the outside world at large, and thus my time would be wasted.
Stereotypes often exist for a reason, but often that reason is racist propaganda. The image of the poor, drunk, religious Irish Man had a base in reality, was exaggerated to cartoonish proportions for propaganda used by the Unionist, Protestant, Rich upper classes to help make it seem like they were incapable of governership, and then continuously planted in culture by low key humor. Similar propaganda can be seen being used against blacks in various cultures, Asians, or really any community. The build up of these stereotypes quite frankly excuses the introvertion of ideas as people assume vast blocs of the world are stereotypes and thus not to be truly considered, so that instead, groups like Nationalists and Supremacists can rise up.
But I digress, the point is, you're a fuckwit, Endeavour.
I can agree with connections and stereotype origins. I will have you know that you're seemingly outside part my personal Irish stereotype (a friendly people, disliked by the old world no matter how hard they tried). Then again I don't know you. As to the drunk slob on the couch American stereotype, meh. There's also the Cowboy, the weird Californian style dude, etc.
And as I've already explained, holding a stereotype to hold millions of people to is retarded and you're a fool for trying so. Even if it wasn't, the Irish being "a friendly people disliked by the old world no matter how hard they tried" doesn't even have the slight backing in reality. Ireland is tenth in the list of most reputable countries, America's only noteworthy for literally having the largest gap between where they perceive they are in other country's opinions and where they are.
Stereotypes are often continued through (often wrong) reinforcement of those ideas. For example, here's the first images I see when googling _______ person.
<- Steve? :)
As you can see, only one of these pictures could truly be argued to be in any way properly representative, yet the other two images are to be shown to the world as if they are accurate.
I'd argue that the second image is probably becoming more representative for an American person anyhow.
The Irish picture is bullshit and holds no ties to culture.
In hindsight, I could've worded my post better. My mistake.
Nothing is wrong with wearing clothes that are part of ones history/culture. The Mexican individual was there mostly to show the other format of the culture. The American was a generic white guy in a suit (thus no real culture). The Mexican was in more geographically specific clothing (which I failed to mention in my post like a goober). The Irishman was just trolling the culture.
Stereotypes are only used by the severely uneducated. People of every race/denomination does and still do the same thing. Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason, yes, because every race/denomination has a certain culture/habits to it that others choose to follow because ppl want meaning as they go through life. Such as blacks and crime, whites wanting to be/believing there a superior race, Irish and drunk habits, Mexicans being servants, ect. Long story short, only a truly ignorant and idiotic moron would believe someone is a certain kind of way based on where they come from or their race/denomination.
I thought this site was full of at least decent leveled I.Q. writers. Not losers who throw low leveled I.Q. insults at ppl because they disagree with what was said rather than apply facts of their own knowledge to refute a statement. Smh. Good to know Mizal
Might be legit. Valid email address and no known alts linked to the IP.
Wait, why are we ragging on new blood?
I imagine since she went on a rant about you being a horrible racist piece of trash before she edited her post.
I'm assuming she must've edited, as her new post doesn't seem to have anything particularly bad. Plus, she's at least four pages into her storygame, so that puts her as one of the most productive site members we got.
Here's the original post if you're interested.
Steve. There are blacks that made it into Hollywood using a variety of skills, blacks that have helped out whites, blacks that have made a large impact on this country and helped build it, blacks that has left a large legacy in the world, blacks who is and will forever be remebered for the greater good they have done. You on the other hand, are nothing but a truly subhuman racist piece of garbage who happens to be a living organism. Trash, who takes breath. These are facts mind you, don't chop it down to an opinion to make yourself sleep better at night. Just in case no ones informed you on what you are, I have.
Yup end master that was me. I edited it for the sake of not getting pent up over another individuals beliefs
Huh, well A. I was being sarcastic and showing how "Yeah, stereotypes are accurate, the Irish do drink a lot!" can easily descend into Neo-Nazi racist rhetoric and B. Yeah, if someone has Neo-Nazi beliefs, do get pent up over them, because fuck that person.
Far more commendable a post, if the point did completely fly over their head.
Steve I'm not exactly sure what ragging is. But there's at least one idiotic troll on any part of the web you go on that has forums/places to make comments. This was expected. That's why I'm not bothering to respond to this guy. I come here to write and read. Not argue with people that blatantly doesn't have much of a life. Unwwatcing the rest of the forum now. Smh. EDIT: How did you know I'm four pages in?. And I'm only four pages cause I'm writing down plot lines and possible creative and realistic possibilities in conjunctions with reformed ideas I'm getting from others... For inspiration of course
Once it's finished. Please summon up as much maturity as you possibly can and don't rate it based off any butt hurt emotions you might/most likely have from what I've analyzed from your obvious maturity level. I'd appreciate it.
Noted, and through my magic hacking powers.
haven't seen you post such a long and great quality reply since the breezy battles.
Well, it seems Steve is going to have to play the defense.
The plaintiff argues that the statement "Only the uneducated use stereotypes" is hypocritical. This entirely depends on the usage of "Uneducated" that we have. If we take stereotypes to be an oversimplified or incorrect belief generalized to a wide group, and uneducated simply being lacking in education to various degrees, the sentence clearly makes sense. The only people who use stereotypes are those who aren't educated in the fact that they're correct, so across the board, this isn't a stereotype and thus hypocritical, but a strong, accurate statement that Mizal purposefully distorts as part of her Queen Bee personality in scaring off all non-subserviant girls on the site.
We've seen it with KKK, we've seen it with her behaviour towards Wibbons and Thara, we've seen it many times before. We've seen it with Breezy, a pattern even a low-brow such as Digit has noticed. Digit, people. If it's that obvious, I don't even need to explain more.
In regards to the use of the terms "Insult", "Moron" and "Uneducated", Mizal is quite simply oversimplifying my client's stances. Insult, Moron and Uneducated aren't inherently tied to IQ in practice. Words can have different meanings to their original usage, as we've seen in The People v Steve24833 in the usage of the word "faggot", where Judge PsychoTransOwlPerson declared that words can change. Here, insult and moron are clearly tied to derogatory terms rather than pure intelligence, and uneducated is as afforementioned. To say that this is tied to IQ, class or race is downright insulting.
I'm sure if my client was presented between an argument between a lovable, Forest Gump-style retard defending a black person's rights in a conversation with a Harvard-graduate Richard Spencer-type, she would call the latter the idiot rather than the former, despite the IQ and social status being in favor of the later.
Thus, my case concludes, and it's clear Mizal has no real case beyond her strawmen, derogatory language and downright treacherous lies.
Ooh, just saw this.
Blatant attempt to change the subject and use of the words "salt" on the Internet past the "Come on, no one says Salt on the internet Act of 2012. I want this case thrown out.
Steve's stance has been made abundantly clear. You came swinging at an interpretation of Crystal's post to the fact that you were arguing "She said only idiots use stereotypes! She must've meant idiot as low IQ rather than the way you'd call Mark Zuckerberg an idiot for his recent fuck up, and thus I'm angry!"
Its funny when my friend threatens to send ICE to send me back to Juarez, and I tell him he can help me pick cotton and watermelon so I can get a new visa, then both of us ask our third friend to let us borrow some of his gold from his dad's bank for sponsorship.
Fuck if it's free it's free, espcially if it's something that's just broken. Either get my uncle Pedro to fix it or just sell it at the swap meet.
Just a reminder to everyone, argue all you want, but don't tell anyone to go commit suicide.
I'm busily trying to write a tasteful rape scene important to a story plotline and I don't have time to clean up your murder attempts right now.
I don't argue online that's for dense people. I see that person wrote an essay dedicated to me I'm not going to bother to read seeing as it blatantly stems from saltyness. I just enjoy getting losers worked up sometimes stating facts about them and enjoy their reactions. Other than that I usually don't respond.
Oh boy, this post is actually ironic. I think it's quite obvious that you're the one that's been salty and worked up by these posts of yours. I mean you even tried editing a few of them to avoid looking anymore angry. In this instance I would recommend talking to mommy and daddy or perhaps any other guardian, and maybe they'll be able to help with the drying of tears.
I see that's your online friend or something smh. I edited one post (singular) not posts (plural) and that's cause I spazzed at something Steven said I thought he meant about blacks but was mistaken. And I'm salty btw? Yeah I'm making five page long paragraphs because I'm salty. Nice attempt to back your friend though. You're not getting another response even this wasn't worth my time.
Oh, nooooooo. I won't be getting another precious response!? I'm absolutely heartbroken, seriously. I am glad that we're both in agreement of your apparent saltyness however, that is progress. By the way, I've read the current masterpiece that you're creating and I'm aware that this may be a bit off topic, but can I offer you the advice on maybe learning how to indent just a little, wittle, tiny bit? As your CYS senior I try my best on helping the newbies on avoiding an 1/8 or 2/8 on their first stories and having them unpublished. I just know that with your attitude that you'll be around for quite awhile :3 It'll be a shame if you left too soon in my humble opinion, great Crystal Inferno.
This was quite the engrossing piece. I thoroughly enjoyed nearly every aspect of this masterpiece. Each and every 'user' stands apart as their own person! It's a truly marvelous thing when an author is able to mold all of these characters through a series of satirical comments and arguments.
Setting: It takes a fantastic writer to create a setting wherein such a variety of characters can go from 2 to 3 dimensional characters, and such a small amount of words no less. The setting takes the form of a ancient website forum where writers gather to improve their trade. However, this particular forum is an oddball one. Its purpose has nothing to do with writing, and everything to do with 'civilized discussions about various topics.
Despite its well known purpose, this particular thread devolves from what it's meant to be to borderline barbaric forms of arguing.
Characters: Among a various cast of characters five stand far and above the rest in terms of contribution to the story.
Endeavor: This thread is started by a seemingly well known member of the site named Endeavor. He starts the topic of conversation, stereotypes, by going on a small rant about how nearly every Irish person he's met has been drunk when he's first met them.
Steve24833: Enter in one of our two plot driving forces. If Endeavor was "well known," then Steve is famous... except for different reasons. A sarcastic, quick-witted, and observant Irish person, Steve pushes the sorry along using blatantly sarcastic remarks to prove various points, and when that fails, he uses his observation skills to dismantle opponents' arguments.
mizal: While, more or less, on the same side of things, mizal takes every opportunity to insult Steve she (I think they're a she) can. Along with Steve, mizal seems to take upon the joint role of protagonist in the story.
Crystal Inferno: Fourth, the second main plot driving force, and the main antagonist, Crystal Inferno. Perhaps the thread could have stayed civilized, but Crystal misinterprets a simple post, and everything goes downhill from there.
EndMaster: Last, but certainly not least, we have the overseer of this whole charade. This user of the site is a notch of the rest. If Steve was famous, then EndMaster was 'household' famous. Every user knows his name. Those who don't are mere simpletons. Perhaps the best way to describe him is a teacher among students? A shepherd among sheep? God among men? Whatever the case, he keeps the order. (while still allowing for as much amusement as possible)
Plot: Following Endeavor's initial post, there is only a few replies. They do contribute to the thread, but like what all good stories need, these posts don't create the necessary conflict to progress the story. Therefore we shall gloss over them.
The first major plot point is Steve's first post in the thread. Endeavor opened the thread up by purposefully generalizing Irishmen, and (more importantly) calling out Steve, an Irishmen, by saying that "stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason."
Steve's response actually supports Endeavor's claim for the most part, but it does by blatantly trashing on African Americans. The response is a mix of blatant sarcasm and tried facts, and to the untrained eye one wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Unluckily for Endeavor, and luckily for us readers, his eyes are not trained. He responds civilly, but nevertheless responds, and thus the story begins.
A more or less civil argument ensues between the pair, and contributes significantly for setting the mood for the antagonist. All throughout this argument mizal watches with amusement. She throws insults at Steve as he argues with Endeavor, and her overall demeanor makes her out to be Steve's bitter ex. Of course, that is only what it seems like. Who knows if it's only a facade they put out for the public, whilst they act much different in the bedroom...
All in all, they're relationship serves to add depth between the both of them, and hints at major thematic themes belying romantic tension.
Steve and Endeavor's argument soon comes to a close with Endeavor ultimately backing down to Steve's biting remarks. Endeavor even gives an excuse as to why he has to leave instead of admitting that he lost. EndMaster and mizal point and laugh at his pathetic attempt at arguing with Steve. Using the first comparison of a teacher among students, EndMaster's analogy enhances as we find out that he's the kind of teacher would allow dangerous things to happen, and simply pretend not to see them happening. Except for the occasional comment of course.
All goes quiet for a little while, then our antagonist (Crystal Inferno) makes her debut. She scurries into the thread, sees Steve's post flaming black people, types up a heated response telling Steve off for being racist, or some other such reason. The important thing is that she types it, posts it, then edits it out because she gets scared of the social repercussions of posting something about Steve like that.
Like all people who edit their posts, there is bound to be someone watching, and that person happens to be EndMaster.
The teacher analogy continues. The teacher now picks up a note that was passed in between students, one that Crystal wrote, and reads it aloud. To those paying attention at that moment, then they would have seen an obvious glint of evil flicker in his eye. Apparently, this teacher likes a bit of drama.
Steve sees the post...
Elsewhere, Crystal decides that in order to be a proactive member of the site (she also happens to be a fresh new member of the site) she should probably post something serious in the thread. Her sincere post goes can be summarized like this. "Everyone who uses stereotypes is an idiot."
This part nearly made me laugh aloud. It was truly a piece go tier piece of writing. The author crafted such a brilliant piece of hypocrisy that I nearly felt stupid myself!
The character, mizal, reacted similarly, but she took it a step further by simply insulting the simpleton Crystal. To which Crystal assumed an air of superiority that is hard to reach normally, let alone after being on the site for less than a week. Crystal stands by her hypocritical statement when questioned by mizal and others. This utter refusal to change their obvious idiocy infuriates mizal. She then goes into a very lengthy explanation on exactly how Crystal is wrong.
Meanwhile Steve takes precious time explaining to Crystal about how he was not wrong in his previous statement in some way or another. The method isn't as important as the fact that Crystal (like Endeavor) admits her failings.
A point that I'm sure doesn't miss mizal. The fact that her quasi-lover managed to make Crystal back down verbally must infuriate her! Almost as much as when Crystal completely ignores mizal's in depth essay on why Crystal is wrong.
EndMaster, as per his duties, reminds everyone to play nicely whilst not actually caring what the outcome is. So long as his classroom has some sort of gripping entertainment, then he comes off as he simply does not care. Quite the addition to this already very entertaining story.
Crystal, having ignored mizal's well thought out reply, responds to Endmaster's post. Essentially she acts even more superior by declaring that she would not deign to read mizal's post, for Crystal already knew she was right.
There. Right there, is the cherry on top. Crystal might have been able to salvage her reputation, but refusing to read the counter argument sealed the deal. The sheer ignorance displayed makes for the most delectable piece of writing that I've seen in a while. The sheer irony of the situation allows for a great finish to an already great piece.
The author creates well thought out characters whom all have very different, yet still manages to pull off each character in a very delightful way. The author even managed to make Crystal's grammar bad to fit her, age and mental capacity! I love this piece, 8/8
As per JJJ's recommendations, we're not really supposed to commend posts ironically.
But since I've never commended anything ironically, the post has been commended with sincerity as usual.
Besides, it's Halloween, so it's a special event!
What the heck!!!! Like WHAT THE HECK!!!! IM THE ANTAGAGONIST :'( Fine I'll shut up and analyze before making comments XD. F-word it. Even though I think (well know) the review on me is stemming from your fear of backlash from well known members here, and with me being new and all.. I'll accept it. Everything else is irrefutable
I apologize ahead of time for the many many typos. I didn't go over that at all, and I typed it all out on a phone, so mistakes came a plenty.
Pretty much yeah, my leaving was for legitimate reasons, but given Steve's mood at the time I would have backed down. Truthfully, I'm surprised the thread went on so long.
Sweet, this paints a great picture of me, and reminds everyone that Mizal is my bitch and acts like a jealous wreck out of desire for my youth and strong Irish seed.
Car insurance companies literally charge men more because they're more likely to get into serious accidents... and yet I still see things like this. Honestly curious if similar driving styles are perceived differently based on the driver's gender... "OMG she's gonna get us killed!" vs. "damn, he's a really aggressive driver!" Pure speculation, though.
This guy trusts a bike, skateboard, or scooter more than a car (that is, when it comes to driving).
Driving is one of the most dangerous thing you can do on a daily basis.
In practice, I'd imagine that men tend to be more risky drivers and hence they get into more accidents, but I've found women to be more slow and careful, and thus frustrating as shit. I'd say there's more of a biological backing in it than anything else, although I'm sure this gets exaggerated across the board by idiots like Ford.
All of my near-death experiences with traffic have involved Asian women. Make of that what you will
Like, the drivers, of when faced with death does your brain just flood your brain with images of Asian women to keep you calm?
That would be extremely strange and it would weird me out.
You're not supposed to watch Hentai and drive, Malk.
But doesn't everybody?