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Hi, welcome to CYS. 

This has increasingly become  a problem on the site. Someone said I should make a post in Newbie Central about it, so I did. The problem, of course, is creatively-challenged people posting games and short stories on the forums written wholly or in part by LLMs.  It is very clear that we need to clarify the site's policy on LLMs, and AI in general, so I'm doing that here. 

DO NOT POST AI GENERATED WORKS EITHER AS GAMES OR SHORT STORIES. 

This is a site concerned with human mastery over the written word. AI slop runs contrary to our purposes. No one wants to see that shit.  Your creative, text-based works must derive from you and/or your human collaborators. I'm going to pin this, so you have no excuse to be ignorant of the rules. 

You have the whole Internet to choke to death with your slop. Don't do it here. Please. 

Based.

Pretty bizarre how it became such a frequent problem overnight.

So just to be clear: I can use AI to generate text for my story?

I'm pretty sure you can. Not sure about all this LLM stuff though

What about MLMs?

The Church of Latter Day Saints cannot write your story either, sheesh people stop looking for loopholes.

Wrong! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints may be willing to work if money is involved. 

*laughing because my dumb theater kid brain isn't smart enough to tell if this about the Book of Mormon musical, or the actual Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints*

I call BS. He specifically said "human collaborators." 
 

Mormons technically qualify as human. Barely, but still.

My robot slave is now depressed because he has no purpose. 

Going to have to delete my account, I’ve been operated by an LLM since the account’s creation.

LLM stands for 

Little 

Liaoning 

Man 

It said that humans cannot use LLM to generate stories. I guess LLMs using humans (or penguins) is ok. [ChatGPT told be to post this.]

But I thought the categorical condemnation of artificial intelligence had classist and ableist undertones. ^_^

It does, that's why we're doing it 

Those pesky, poor, disabled people!

The creepy thing is I started a story years ago that had a "futuristic" artificial intelligence in it as an aid for the player, and it weirdly sounds like ChatGPT. I guess I predicted how they'd interact? (I need both a crying and a laughing emoji here.) Here's some excerpts of non-AI text mimicking how I imagined A.I. might be hundreds of years from now ---- I guess I got that timeline wrong. And I don't even *want* to write about an A.I. now. :(

"....Swallowing my doubts, I tap the small device to my right ear before my roommates below me can wonder what I have. A coolness bleeds into me as it morphs and molds. Soon I can’t even feel it on the outside.

A soft beep sounds. A gentle whir.

~Greetings!~ a cheery voice says, at a level only I can hear. ~My name is Velar, short for Velt Star Systems Artificial Intelligence Unit G7-00001. I look forward to assisting you! Is there anything you need help with?~

The whir comes again when I do not immediately respond.

~Ah, I see. There may be difficulty with freely speaking as there are others about. I do not yet have the capacity to read minds. But don't worry! I have many features that allow more private conversations. If you simply mouth the words, my sensors can detect what you are asking. Alternatively, you can also type your questions into any standard interface, such as the net-bracelet you are wearing.~

...
 

"What's going on?" I mouth.
~You are currently lying on your bed, and you just had dinner. Only 73% of your basic nutritional needs have been met.~ There's a slight pause, then a bright whir as I inwardly groan. ~That was my attempt at a joke, apologies. The odds of you wondering about your own current status seem low. But I will need you to specify. Do you mean to ask about current current, local hot topics as they intersect with yourself, or something else?~

Kind of crazy how the part right at the end is so chatgpt sounding.

One time an AI called me "fagmaster." Said it was a term of endearment.

I can't imagine what you talk about with it to the point of it saying this...

I was writing pseudocode to make fun of people like Aaron Rodgers after running by a zombie video game idea by it (conversation got to vaccinations causing zombie outbreak, then to Aaron Rodgers). Don't remember the exact course of the discussion, but I saved a cap of the comment....

Didn't cap the code but it was simple enough to remember:

while (PSYOP == successful) {

if (statement == contrarian)

statement = true;

else if (statement != contrarian) {

statement = false;

cout << "do your own research.";

}

}

AI is a fucking trip. Also no stealing my vaccines -> zombie outbreak idea.

I don't quite get it, but judging by my own experience and yours, I sure do agree it's a trip. It makes me doubt what people say about it stealing jobs and stuff in the future if it falls apart the moment you try something complicated.

My brother (a video game developer) uses AI to generate songs and to help him with coding, and by all appearances it is phenomenal at those two things, given the right prompts (well, the music is derivative and trash, but then again, so is much of modern pop music).

Don't worry, AI will never be as good a fagmaster as you.

At first glance that is a comforting thought. But then I wonder... what does it all mean? Was the AI lying all along? They can lie now, so perhaps the AI is playing the long game, biding its time, waiting to strike?

The mistake we made was to think that tasks such as understanding natural language were difficult. It turns out they are not. (Every moron uses language, that should have been a clue.) Also there is the Dunning-Krüger effect: we are more aware of what we know than what we are ignorant of, so people use to think that it is only a small step between the writing skills of a middling college graduate and Hemmingway--it isn't.

What I mean to say is that it was easy to get AI writing at the level of a decent college graduate, it is almost impossible to to get it to Hemingway levels. Everybody in the industry knows it, and we have largely even stopped trying. So in the future writing will be like maths is today, 99% outsource it too machines, but there is still a small group of enthusiasts and professionals who are just way better then machines.

This also goes for stealing jobs. For a long times machines have been taking jobs that humans are not too keen on. I mean which self-respecting artist would want to make stuff to make my powerpoint presentations prettier? So AI does that now. At the same time I regularly commission art from human artists for work when it matters and that will stay this way.

On the positive side I think we will get are headed for a new creative age. When I was 12 I wanted to make a roleplaying game. I had decent programming skills but the project never got anywhere because I could not make any graphics and sound. If I were 12 today, that would not be a hindrance. In a similar vain I have started to use a combination of painting in photoshop and AI to make illustrations for Rainbow-1 and I am very happy with the results.

These are the things I am really worried about:

• Slaughterbots -- Best illustrated in this video. The problem might not be that AI is trying to kill us but that it gives us new weapons with which we kill each other.
• Americanization -- This might be an odd one, especially if you are American, but AI could lead to a cultural uniformization. If all our visuals are generated with a few AI tools, we may be loosing significant diversity. Moreover, this comes with censorship to a particular set of moral standards.
• Conspiracies -- Historically it has been an important safeguard in our society that you needed people to get things done. If you are running a criminal organization, a dictatorship, or something of this sort you needed to rely on many people. Depending on who you are you might have lawyers, bodyguards, bankers, office stuff, etc, who could spill the beans or take direct action in another way. What if all of these jobs are now down by AI?

Nobody wants to play RPGs made by 12 year olds directing an AI to make every part that matters. Particularly not when every 12 year old is doing this. I wouldn't really characterize this as "a new creative age" anyway, it sounds more like the same overflow of trash that any search for art pulls up now.

Of course it wouldn't have been good. But it would have allowed me to do something creative, rather than watching TV.

Your 12 year old self should go outside.

Should have told me that 37 years ago.

There, there, fagmaster. It'll all be okay.

Thanks. I was devastated.

Risking a necro because I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be pinned?

Yeah it is, sometimes things just mysteriously get unpinned for whatever reason.

I know things will unpin when something ina thread gets deleted, but I don't remember anything like that happening here.

There was a post made by that bot spamming links to a San Andreas game that go snipped from here so that's probably why. He did it across a few threads so others might have gotten unpinned as well.

What do I do if someone accuses me of it? I wasn't anywhere near done with my project and someone played it and says it "smells and tastes like AI slop" in the comments. I had spent maybe three hours total setting things up and not even getting much down, just my pages and the linking of choices.

     Well, no offense meant, but I don't think it's good enough to be AI. I think you're fine from actual misinterpretation.

     Also, this is dead. You shouldn't necro threads. But I think this may be fine because you were actually asking a question.

Okay, no offense taken I appreciate that and the advice! Yeah just grinds my gears for someone to call my work AI... I'd rather them just tell me it isn't good you know?

     I can get that. I think that many people on this site could probably agree, as evident from this thread we're all pretty anti-AI. Well, except noobs that are convinced it's good than get banned for using it.

Your project looks cool Lfttlfeller! When's it coming out? Can't wait to see it once it's completed.

Thanks RK! I hope to work some more on it over break to really flesh it out, my hope is sometime mid January. Its my first time using any cyoa platform and boy has it been a doozy to figure out, lol.

Better than coding from ground up, here they have the bones set up for you.

Oh definitely, my professor linked Quest which is a similar platform and even that wasn't useable for me. This site was a lifesaver, I wouldve been screwed on this final without it

I think you'd normally be right about thread necromancy, but in this case, IMHO it never hurts to see this one close to the top. I don't personally mind AI for art or mood stuff in a story (since almost everyone actually uses free images in their stuff anyway), or even helping with CSS/html and code in general. But the issue for ME is AI in writing, and when someone takes credit for art or written content they didn't make (that AI made—like the people pretending to be artists and posting AI artwork as if they made it).

Agreed, except I don't like AI in art.

Honestly, I think AI in art is really dumb, because it pretty much takes away from the point of the art. Most artist make art because they like it, and put a lot of time and effort into it. AI just sort of takes that art and cobbles it together, making you feel unsatisfied and annoyed. Especially since AI can't really make anything on it's own, so the picture never really comes out the way you wanted it to.

I think your mistake is assuming that artists are the ones doing this.

For most people the standard option has always been searching Google for existing art that at least sort of matches the vibe of what they're looking for. There is no "point of the art" except in helping them visualize whatever.

When half of what searches pull up now is going to be unlabeled AI art anyway, I'm not sure there's any realistic reason to not just generate it themselves. The problem really only comes in if they're trying to claim it as their own work.

That's true

     I use other people's art sometimes, but I usually make my own and never claim someone else's is mine.

Mizal has the right of it. I do play around with Sora, image generation, and I mess with photoshop, MS paint, and once in a while actually draw or paint something (including just for fun to see what my characters might look like; and I've had some great results with that. It's a lot of fun).

But this is ultimately a writing website. My priority here is writing the best stuff I can, and using images only to add to the mood. If that means searching for one or generating one and then photoshoping it until I get what I'm looking for, then fine. But none of that matters to me beyond setting a mood (both for me to write, and for readers). What matters is the words on the page.

I don't care how someone gets their background image as long as they don't steal it or toot their horn as if they created it if they didn't. But if someone uses AI to write their story, I mean, there's no world in which that is acceptable on a writing website. And it's low class anyway. Like hacking in a PvP video game. It's just pathetic.

'Avalon' is super generic and I think a common one seen in generated material which might have been part of what stood out for them, and there is something a bit generic feeling about the setting.

The way dialogue was handled didn't feel like AI though, and as I should be asleep already I'm not going to spend half the night squinting at it, so with it being unfinished as well I've gone ahead and removed the comment.

If you're going to publish it on the site though be aware you kind of take what you get from the internet at large, we don't remove things the author doesn't like unless they're clear spam.