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Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Israel is an apartheid state and should be destroyed. From the river to the sea

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
No.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Yes

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
Settle down guys, no need for such violence.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
You should be docked for flaming in the forums. This kind of behavior is strictly disallowed here, completely uncalled for, and frankly revolting. You make me sick.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
-3 Admin. Penalty - Tsk Tsk

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

No

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

No.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Yes

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
You have a couple of yes/no's here, does that me we can take our pick?

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

I mean Israel is neither an apartheid state nor should it be destroyed, so no.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Israel is literally an ethnostate that requires a Jewish majority, so yes. 

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

That doesn't make it an apartheid state, and Israel is doinb a better job of running a liberal democracy than any other country in the middle east. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EwEhQtDk-4 I recomend watching this video. 

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

You realize you're arguing with coins, right?

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Why are all leftists retarded except for me lol

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

I could probably film a video in Palestine that would get 10 times the number of people saying that Israel sucks. 

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
And while you were there I would report you to the authorities for that time you let Malk suck your dick.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

I'm sure you could, they are all brainwashed into hating Jews. However in the country where there is freedom of speech and they can get educated they realize that Israel is a paradise compared to any Muslim nation.

Even so, they would be lying. As the guy in the video said, most Palestinians want to live and work in Israel. They would live objectively better lives.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
Well I'm a Christian so Israel gets the automatic +1 from me regardless, but if not for the constant reminder that they're entirely surrounded by people who want to indiscriminately murder them, they'd be as cucked as any other liberal western country. After the Beirut explosion they go offering aid to Lebanon, get snubbed, and respond by lighting up the Tel Aviv city hall with the flag of an enemy country that hates them in some pathetic hope of approval, like the worst kind of simp. If not so distracted by their unified hate for Jews, some of these other countries might appreciate having neighbors so dedicated to peace, it's a pretty rare thing over there. Leftists being retards about this I'm not surprised at though, if they weren't defying all common sense and natural selection itself to embrace a cause that will lead directly to their own destruction, then they're not really leftists now are they?

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Meh, I don't think leftism as a whole is that bad, just most leftists are spineless and don't want their government to force them to do anything. I think authoritarianism is pretty neat, but most western leftists would disagree, preferring libertarian leftism which is the least effective form of government known to man. You can't have to each according to his needs without each according to his ability. Israel got this right when they started returning to Israel and setting up communes but most American leftists see the idea of a communes as oppressive. They just want to be able to smoke weed and get paid for not working. 

But yeah Israel is a little bit simpy. They should just accept that they are going to be hated forever and deal with it. 

"wHy DoEsn'T iSrAeL lET iN mOrE mUsLiMs?"

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

"I think authoritarianism is pretty neat." - Betaband

Oh sure, when the Chinese government runs over folks with tanks, they're just keeping order, but when I told people on here to rate all my stories a 10 on Infinite Story, you called it an abuse of power.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

I'm sorry End, I have learned my lesson. You are a benevolent dictator. 

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Lol no, most leftists rightfully are opposed to the idea that you should be allowed to get away with ethnic cleansing and settler colonialism in the 21st century. 

Israel is hated by its neighbors for good reason. 

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Lol sure bud. 

The reason Israel is hated is because they have Jews and are accepting of gay people, but to some I guess that is a legitimate reason to hate Israel. 

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Lol bud, Israel was literally founded on terrorism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group) and now wrings its hands about how violent Palestinian teens throwing rocks are before gunning them down. 

The reason Israel is hated is because settlements are increasing every day and Benny Boy was trying to annex those areas into Israel right up until a couple days ago (and will probably try again in the future). 

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

I find it really funny when people claim that Palestinian terrorists are just armed with rocks. If that were the case we wouldn't need to spend billions of dollars shooting down missiles launched by Palestinians.

Also Arabs have been murdering Jews in the Middle East for centuries before Israel was founded.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
Well I mean

They've been murdering a lot of people, and mostly their own kind.

And pretty much everyone has spent some time cleansing Jews, should that really count?

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Of course groups like Hamas have crude missiles, I'm talking about the disproportionate force against teenagers that the IDF often uses. 

Yes, anti-semitism in the Middle East existed in the past, albeit much less than what happened in Europe. That sort of thing should be condemned but it doesn't justify what Israel's doing now. 

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

So the difference is whenever an unarmed Palestinian is killed Jewish Israelis will protest and whenever an unarmed Jew is killed Palestinians will celebrate. 
 

Israelis are dedicated to peace. Palestinians are dedicated toward killing Jews.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Israelis are so dedicated to peace that they go out of their way to build settlements inside what was supposed to be Palestinian territory. That's some real peaceful stuff right there

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

"Was supposed to be"

Yes it was supposed to be Palestinian territory but the territory wasn't enough so they declared war on Israel. So now it's not Palestinian land. 

 

Also building settlements isn't violent so I don't even understand the point you are trying to make.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Last time I checked the settlements are all within the West Bank, the territory that's supposed to be for the Palestinians. Almost every other state recognizes settlements as a clear violation of international law and as one of the major obstacles to peace. 

It is violent if you forcibly take other people's land and make it so that non-Israelis cannot live there. 

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

But non-Israelis can still live there. The areas that are being settled were empty. Personally I'm against the settlements because they take an unnecessary amount of military funding to be protected, but they aren't violent and they aren't displacing people.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
I agree that brutal authoritarianism is the natural end of the leftist ideology, but we're gonna have to disagree heavily on whether that's a good thing.

Obviously on a website it's great though.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

At least we can all agree on LibLefts being retards.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
Yes, let's purge them first, and then each other.

Jew Jitsu!

one month ago

Jew Jitsu!

one month ago

Isn't this just as much a critique of the lack of ethical consumption in capitalism as it is a critique of China's forced labour policies?

Jew Jitsu!

one month ago
I know we're all tempted to think less of Beta for this, but you have to consider that he could be writing it from a prison in Beijing with a cattle prod inches away from his asshole.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
Oh yeah and here's Coins bowing and scraping to his big tiddy Arabic queen, of course he sides with her people, he has no choice in the matter.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Doesn't change the fact that Israel is an ethnostate. Just because Palestinians would have materially better lives if they moved to Israel doesn't change the fact that they're a guest in their own homes. 

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
Where would you suggest all the people who were born in Israel over the last 70 years go after they leave their country to satisfy your insistence that it isn't their home?

I suppose maybe they could go to some kind of ancient racial/cultural homeland.... Do they have one of those?

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

I don't think the Israelis living there now should be made to leave, that would just be ethnic cleansing reversed. But the entirety of Israel+Palestine should be made into a secular democracy with no favoritism towards a specific ethnic group/religion.  

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

... but then all the Jews would be killed. The Palestinians are very clear about their goals. Ending the state of Israel would be actual ethnic clensing, not the fake kind of ethnic clensing you believe Israel to be doing. 

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
No betaband, what he's saying is that all the bloodthirsty Jew hating fanatics will be asked to play nice by the white people who make this decision. Out of respect for the feelings of the liberal infidels, they'll agree.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Oh I see. If there's one thing Arabs are known for it is supporting secular democracy and living peacefully with Jews. 

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

The Arab world is increasingly becoming less religious with every year. 

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
The same study you got that from says they strongly resist the idea of liberal democracies, love Erdogan and his human rights abuses, and find the idea of honor killings more acceptable than homosexuality by a wide margin.

Oh and also for some weird reason, it said Arab nations are ranked as the unhappiest places to live in the world, with 1 and 5 people wanting to leave. But I'm sure making another one will fix this problem.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Obviously steps should be taken to ensure that such a transition would be peaceful as possible. 

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
Wasn't Palestine previously owned by the British, and before that the Turks, for centuries?

I don't feel like wiki diving, can someone tell me where the idea of Palestine as an independent place even came from, and why it matters now but never did before?

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

Palestine was never independent. Palestine is not even pronouncable in Arabic, it was a term created by the Romans as an act of colonazaiton when they kicked Jews out of Judea. There is no cultural difference between Palestinans in the Gaza Strip and Egyptians or Palestians in the West Bank and Jordanians. The Palestinian independence movement is not about self determination of a "Palestinian" people, it is instead about preventing the self determination of the Jewish people.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
Happy are those who do the work of the Lord. Zion belongs to God and the people of God. It is a natural temple and monument to his glory. It is one thing to forgive a slap across my cheek, but an insult to the Lord requires... no, it DEMANDS correction.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
I never considered before what a funny stance Coins/Spartacus has for a guy with that avatar...

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

The Jews should live in Zion National Park instead of Israel, I'll help them move. 

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
You could call Jew-Haul.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
I was mostly making a Graham joke, I didn't expect the thread to turn into all this. So many notifications. O.O And you guys are all just fighting in the middle of another thread...I'm still getting used to this forum format. As far as my actual views, I've been attacked for them before and I prefer not to get into arguments like this anyway. Particularly when I'm brand new to a community. But suffice to say I'm strongly in support of Israel for multiple reasons. The real problem is that they've been weak when they don't need to be and when it's counter intuitive to their own survival. Everyone hates them anyway, always has and always will, and they shouldn't waste time and money and lives trying to appease anyone else. For peace you need all sides agreeable to it, which obviously won't happen here. The only other way to have peace is to enforce it from a position of strength. But Spartacus is just repeating the standard liberal views. Which he'd be free to do in only certain countries, Israel among them. (You can also protest Israeli settlements and speak out in support of Palestine there, but obviously you couldn't go to Palestine and do the opposite.)

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
Agreed the thread was getting annoying to navigate, fixed now. Happily I managed to split a thread without breaking it this time.

Not wading into political arguments in a new community (or at all) is usually a smart move, but in this case, it's Coins, it's always the correct action to disagree with him. He makes a good low level enemy, you can use him for a few easy xp before moving on to more important things.

Betaband also has no status at all so feel free to slap the China simp tankie around too if you're so inclined. Just please, no text walls. The lack of autism here so far is so refreshing.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
Lol, thanks, I'll keep all that in mind. I think I'll just focus on writing for awhile and spectate though.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago

I've so far managed to resist wading into these more recent political threads and have just lurked for the amusement. (But I do think Spartacus/Coins? characterization of Israel is idiotic, and that's the nicest of the adjectives I can think of. Also the Deep Thoughts/"I'm Davefaster!" admittal (or lie) was hilarious. Even the name Deep Thoughts was pretty funny in itself, since those essays looked more like shallow regurgitation than anything novel, insightful, or complex.)

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
The funniest thing about Coins is that not long ago he went on this tirade in the Discord about how the government should control all property so it can be used for the good of the people etc.

Most of the land in Israel is owned by the state, they are literally just 10% away from being his utopia. And who defines 'the good of the people?' Whoever currently happens to be in charge, duh. I don't understand where this idea that governments should be given total control over everything but also expected to give it up if some faggots whine enough comes from. You give them power to do things, you get what you get.

Coins, Israel is exactly what you wanted, bitchboy.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
That evolved into a lot of words. I always thought palestine was just a city in israel and the country was just full of jews milking the holocaust. Muslims dont like that cause israel is their holy country and palestine is their holy city too. And they both dont like each other cause their jesus is different. I will not be emploring any further information and I will continue to believe this regardless of whatever the resident jews say.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
Muslims hate dogs and that's all anybody needs to know.

They would probably also kill Coins for eating them? Not sure but I like to think so.

Jew Jitsu!

2 months ago
I'm 90% sure Isreal is everyone's holy land.

Jew Jitsu!

one month ago
Yep!

Jewish, Cristian, and Muslim at the very least.

Time for a differentiated opinon

one month ago

Israel is a nice place full of friendly people (Both Israelis and Palestinians) and great food. At the same time the government of Israel has implemented some policies that are unconscionable from a western perspective. Should the imperialist settling policies be stopped, absolutely, and there is a democratic process for that. Should Israel be destroyed, absolutely not. The territory occupied by Israel is almost devoid of natural resources and water. Yet the Israelis have built a modern functioning state there. That counts for something. Also the people who live in Israel today were born there, grew up there. It is their home. That counts for even more.

The Palestinians did get screwed over royally of course. By the British. And that's the door they should be knocking on. (Get in line behind the Iranians, etc.)

If you actually visit a country you will find that every country and every religion consists mostly of nice people. Of course there are assholes. You find them everywhere in approximately the same density. One thing the assholes have in common is that they think that they can somehow improve their own situation by creating strive. It mostly works. In Israel the one thing that keeps the right-wing hawks in power is people who call for Israel to be destroyed. This creates the very fear in the population that is used to legitimize repressive policies. Across the border (say in Lebanon) what keeps the crazies in power is the fear of Israeli attacks. So the assholes play their little game of terror on the border and the nice people on both sides suffer.

Tl:Dr; Divisive language is the part of the problem. If you use it, you play into the hands of exactly the people you want to attack.

Time for a differentiated opinon

one month ago

Thank you for providing a reasonable middle ground.

Time for a differentiated opinon

one month ago
I kinda lost interest in this subject after Coins pussed out tbh, Israel's not exactly headline news these days what with everything else going on.

Israel being surrounded by people who want to genocide them is going to continue to be the problem though, they have literally no reason to back down or make concessions when all that would mean is the people who will STILL want to kill them have greater opportunity.

The ones who aren't having their existence threatened are going to have to be the ones to take the first steps to deescalate, and well these are also the people who still think it's cool to beat their daughters/sisters to death for being seen in public standing too close to a male stranger, so I'm not expecting much.