Israel is an apartheid state and should be destroyed. From the river to the sea
-3 Admin. Penalty - Tsk Tsk
I mean Israel is neither an apartheid state nor should it be destroyed, so no.
Israel is literally an ethnostate that requires a Jewish majority, so yes.
That doesn't make it an apartheid state, and Israel is doinb a better job of running a liberal democracy than any other country in the middle east.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EwEhQtDk-4 I recomend watching this video.
You realize you're arguing with coins, right?
Why are all leftists retarded except for me lol
I could probably film a video in Palestine that would get 10 times the number of people saying that Israel sucks.
I'm sure you could, they are all brainwashed into hating Jews. However in the country where there is freedom of speech and they can get educated they realize that Israel is a paradise compared to any Muslim nation.
Even so, they would be lying. As the guy in the video said, most Palestinians want to live and work in Israel. They would live objectively better lives.
Meh, I don't think leftism as a whole is that bad, just most leftists are spineless and don't want their government to force them to do anything. I think authoritarianism is pretty neat, but most western leftists would disagree, preferring libertarian leftism which is the least effective form of government known to man. You can't have to each according to his needs without each according to his ability. Israel got this right when they started returning to Israel and setting up communes but most American leftists see the idea of a communes as oppressive. They just want to be able to smoke weed and get paid for not working.
But yeah Israel is a little bit simpy. They should just accept that they are going to be hated forever and deal with it.
"wHy DoEsn'T iSrAeL lET iN mOrE mUsLiMs?"
"I think authoritarianism is pretty neat." - Betaband
Oh sure, when the Chinese government runs over folks with tanks, they're just keeping order, but when I told people on here to rate all my stories a 10 on Infinite Story, you called it an abuse of power.
I'm sorry End, I have learned my lesson. You are a benevolent dictator.
Lol no, most leftists rightfully are opposed to the idea that you should be allowed to get away with ethnic cleansing and settler colonialism in the 21st century.
Israel is hated by its neighbors for good reason.
Lol sure bud.
The reason Israel is hated is because they have Jews and are accepting of gay people, but to some I guess that is a legitimate reason to hate Israel.
Lol bud, Israel was literally founded on terrorism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group) and now wrings its hands about how violent Palestinian teens throwing rocks are before gunning them down.
The reason Israel is hated is because settlements are increasing every day and Benny Boy was trying to annex those areas into Israel right up until a couple days ago (and will probably try again in the future).
I find it really funny when people claim that Palestinian terrorists are just armed with rocks. If that were the case we wouldn't need to spend billions of dollars shooting down missiles launched by Palestinians.
Also Arabs have been murdering Jews in the Middle East for centuries before Israel was founded.
Of course groups like Hamas have crude missiles, I'm talking about the disproportionate force against teenagers that the IDF often uses.
Yes, anti-semitism in the Middle East existed in the past, albeit much less than what happened in Europe. That sort of thing should be condemned but it doesn't justify what Israel's doing now.
So the difference is whenever an unarmed Palestinian is killed Jewish Israelis will protest and whenever an unarmed Jew is killed Palestinians will celebrate.
Israelis are dedicated to peace. Palestinians are dedicated toward killing Jews.
Israelis are so dedicated to peace that they go out of their way to build settlements inside what was supposed to be Palestinian territory. That's some real peaceful stuff right there
"Was supposed to be"
Yes it was supposed to be Palestinian territory but the territory wasn't enough so they declared war on Israel. So now it's not Palestinian land.
Also building settlements isn't violent so I don't even understand the point you are trying to make.
Last time I checked the settlements are all within the West Bank, the territory that's supposed to be for the Palestinians. Almost every other state recognizes settlements as a clear violation of international law and as one of the major obstacles to peace.
It is violent if you forcibly take other people's land and make it so that non-Israelis cannot live there.
But non-Israelis can still live there. The areas that are being settled were empty. Personally I'm against the settlements because they take an unnecessary amount of military funding to be protected, but they aren't violent and they aren't displacing people.
At least we can all agree on LibLefts being retards.
Isn't this just as much a critique of the lack of ethical consumption in capitalism as it is a critique of China's forced labour policies?
Doesn't change the fact that Israel is an ethnostate. Just because Palestinians would have materially better lives if they moved to Israel doesn't change the fact that they're a guest in their own homes.
I don't think the Israelis living there now should be made to leave, that would just be ethnic cleansing reversed. But the entirety of Israel+Palestine should be made into a secular democracy with no favoritism towards a specific ethnic group/religion.
... but then all the Jews would be killed. The Palestinians are very clear about their goals. Ending the state of Israel would be actual ethnic clensing, not the fake kind of ethnic clensing you believe Israel to be doing.
Oh I see. If there's one thing Arabs are known for it is supporting secular democracy and living peacefully with Jews.
The Arab world is increasingly becoming less religious with every year.
Obviously steps should be taken to ensure that such a transition would be peaceful as possible.
Palestine was never independent. Palestine is not even pronouncable in Arabic, it was a term created by the Romans as an act of colonazaiton when they kicked Jews out of Judea. There is no cultural difference between Palestinans in the Gaza Strip and Egyptians or Palestians in the West Bank and Jordanians. The Palestinian independence movement is not about self determination of a "Palestinian" people, it is instead about preventing the self determination of the Jewish people.
The Jews should live in Zion National Park instead of Israel, I'll help them move.
I've so far managed to resist wading into these more recent political threads and have just lurked for the amusement. (But I do think Spartacus/Coins? characterization of Israel is idiotic, and that's the nicest of the adjectives I can think of. Also the Deep Thoughts/"I'm Davefaster!" admittal (or lie) was hilarious. Even the name Deep Thoughts was pretty funny in itself, since those essays looked more like shallow regurgitation than anything novel, insightful, or complex.)
Israel is a nice place full of friendly people (Both Israelis and Palestinians) and great food. At the same time the government of Israel has implemented some policies that are unconscionable from a western perspective. Should the imperialist settling policies be stopped, absolutely, and there is a democratic process for that. Should Israel be destroyed, absolutely not. The territory occupied by Israel is almost devoid of natural resources and water. Yet the Israelis have built a modern functioning state there. That counts for something. Also the people who live in Israel today were born there, grew up there. It is their home. That counts for even more.
The Palestinians did get screwed over royally of course. By the British. And that's the door they should be knocking on. (Get in line behind the Iranians, etc.)
If you actually visit a country you will find that every country and every religion consists mostly of nice people. Of course there are assholes. You find them everywhere in approximately the same density. One thing the assholes have in common is that they think that they can somehow improve their own situation by creating strive. It mostly works. In Israel the one thing that keeps the right-wing hawks in power is people who call for Israel to be destroyed. This creates the very fear in the population that is used to legitimize repressive policies. Across the border (say in Lebanon) what keeps the crazies in power is the fear of Israeli attacks. So the assholes play their little game of terror on the border and the nice people on both sides suffer.
Tl:Dr; Divisive language is the part of the problem. If you use it, you play into the hands of exactly the people you want to attack.
Thank you for providing a reasonable middle ground.