Well, ol' Vlad has finally decided he's going for a domination win and launched an attack deployed a peace keeping force on Ukraine.
I don't think we have any major CYStians in the Ukraine (or Russia) right now, but if we do, be sure to give us full updates on the frontlines of WW3 when you're not busy dodging bullets and/or committing war crimes.
Just saw this too. I guess time to see if the rest of the world continues with their sanction policy, and allows Vlad to Iimpale Ukraine, or if the rest of the world will do something.
Looks like Ground Zero might turn out to be prophetic.
At this point, the Simpsons could predict the apocalypse and I'd believe it. They are the modern day Nostradamus as far as I'm concerned haha.
Russia's military is outdated and Russian soldiers are largely bum-ass gopniks. They have a large military, but it's not extremely modern and could be easily crushed by NATO. The issue is that Putin threatened to use nukes like a child throwing a temper tantrum on a playground, so that's where the problem lies.
Yes, Putin has explicitly said so as verified by every other news channel.. And while the Russian nuclear arsenal can be gauged and countered alone, its existing relationship with China (the nation that has proven to be strides ahead of most other countries in terms of supersonic ICBMs) means that China could launch its own nukes as a cover for Russian expansion. China has purchased 100 million tonnes of Russian coal, agreed to build a natural gas pipeline between the two nations, and tested Taiwan's airspace as a means to anchor the US's navy (which is the USA's strongest military asset) to the Pacific. China has also agreed to sell large quantities of wheat to offset any NATO sanctions, whereas the US has not yet reneged on its purchases for Russian oil and sales of produce to China. So for all intents and purposes, China is sponsoring Russia and covering their ass for it. Ukraine is an acceptable trade casualty if China can just outsource its imports from South America, Africa, and Southeast Asia (all regions that the Western hemisphere have only minor trade agreements with, but China has massive investments and minor military presence in).
As great as the US is alone, it would have its hands full with solely Russia or China. The two Eastern-Hemisphere nations working in concert guarantees security in Russia's Far East as far as nuclear warfare is concerned.
Insofar as Ukraine keeping its arsenal, things would likely play out the same as they would today, minus the very real possibility that Ukraine wouldn't hesitate to send a few nukes over if it ever found itself alone. Yes, starting a nuclear war looks bad, but if the very existence of the country is at stake, any desperate nation would try to do the most extreme thing to catch the world's attention.
Putin has correctly intuited that no one is going to want to start WWIII over fucking Ukraine.
And it still is holding up as a tldr.
I'm not trying to stop anyone from having a serious political discussion, but really no one but Swift is going to be autistic enough to really get into this. Most of the world is supportive of Ukraine without being willing to actually support them, and unless you are Joe Biden (who is nowhere near based enough to post here) opinions about what the US should or shouldn't do isn't accomplishing anything. Unless you're strapping yourself to a homemade missile aimed at Moscow as we speak you literally might as well be ignoring it all to play Roblox for all the difference you're making to anyone actually involved with this stuff.
We don't tend to do the 'thoughts and prayers' empty gesturing here, and except for maybe some speculation or detailed breakdowns of stuff from nerds like @Swiftstryker or @Digit who I know are paying close attention but barely remember there's a writing site associated with the server, I don't expect this thread will go very far. But it's here I suppose if anyone does feel a pressing need to publicly state the controversial opinion that Russia is bad.
I'm glad Alex made a site inspired by the discord, this place looks cool.
This is true of China, which has nearly 2 billion mouths, soft power over its neighbors, and diplomatic leverage to justify the expansion. Russia has an economy the size of Texas, and has no interest prolonging its engagements unless it wants to get into debt with a large small number of vulnerable nations funneling resources towards it. Even if it were to put the full strength of its forces towards the West and South, touching even a smidge of Romania (a NATO member) puts many a target on its large back. Not to mention, Russia is guaranteed to give up something for the new gas pipeline China is funneling towards it. As much as those two countries are allied against the West, relations between the former communist blocs aren't exactly positive. Russia definitely does not have the resources to spare for the incoming winter either, so a long-term occupation can be potentially disastrous if the remaining Ukrainians decide to adopt an insurgency. There's no need, therefore, to escalate the fighting unless China jumps the gun on Taiwan (at which point, we have too many obligations to back out of and the potential loss of the TSMC would effectively cripple computing technology; Ukraine has no such leverage in its favor).
Although I would've rather that Biden stationed troops in Poland during the Olympics as a means of deterrence, the second-best time to do so is now. A full-out war that no civilian nor soldier wants to get into (considering that there is no outright cassus belli to make) is only going to be misery for all sides, and the last thing you want for any era is to have political instability in major world powers. That's a great recipe for setting back the human clock for decades, if not centuries.
As somebody in russia, I hope they're unsafe and unwell. This is what Ukraine gets after invading us for all those years
We used to have another guy around here that claimed he was of Russian descent living here and in the military. He's been gone for years though.
Only other "Russian" we got is Wizzy, and he's too busy fighting the war with his parents convincing them he's not gay. (He's losing)
I mean that's probably just hurting the gay Russians that are using it as an "outlet" more due to having to be secret about it all.
The regular Russians probably are just going to their usual underage whore houses or if they're currently in the military, just partaking in the Ukrainian ladies.
Getting a jump on the war crimes count early.
Still surprised the guy lived though, so I guess it's just a misdemeanor.
I hope Russia doesn't become the Soviet Union again. I can't really say much but all I have to say is that I hope WWIII doesn't start in a few months.
I'm going to give the unpopular opinion that Russia is fully justified in invading Ukraine. Western Ukrainians overthrew the democratically elected pro-Russian government in the Euromaidan coup, replacing it with a pro-NATO government that posed a massive security threat to Russia. When Cubans overthrew their government in a Communist revolution, the US had no qualms about invading a sovereign nation in the Bay of Pigs incident, though obviously that ended in disaster. If Mexico were to suddenly join the CSTO tomorrow for whatever reason, I have no doubt that American tanks would be rolling towards Mexico City.
No, I will not defend my opinion since I have enough experience to know that arguing about something like this would be a massive waste of time. I'm just putting out a countervailing argument so that people can see there is one.
I respect your opinion and the balls to put it forward, but also fuck you, the invasion is unjustifiable.
Something about whether or not the actual Russian troops anticipated entering Ukraine in a serious conflict (they didn't). And knowing that a South-Korea-like draft happens with every Russian male once, basically everyone who drew the short end of the stick ended up getting into this war. Pretty tragic considering some of these guys were burned alive by molotov showers, shot down in their helicopters, planes, and APCs, or just straight up killed in a gunfight.
Russian banks are starting to be banned from the Swift international payment system and apparently there's reports of the Kremlin website being targeted by cyber attacks.
Russian forces just blew up some major gas pipeline, but they really are facing heavier resistance than they thought. Lol.
Looks like Putin put his nuclear deterrent forces on high alert.
There are some reports that his inner circle are starting to criticize his actions, but who can know with that one.
Talks didn't seem to go well. Russia's economy is tanking more than their invasion. They're supposed to be putting nukes in their puppet Belarus' territory too.
TL;DR - Yeah, they're still fighting.
Also, the REAL victims of this terrible war...
Somebody please think of the E-thots!
From porn to fast food?
Good news all, the war is over! Some random actress no one has heard of has kindly offered up her perky tits for Putin to suckle on as a peace offering. Turns out all we need is love after all. ^_^
Oh yeah, I stumbled across this cringy ass bitch. This must have taken like at least several hours to make, I'm not sure how during that time she didn't actually realise that this was not in the wisest of her decisions.
She also has terrible flow. This shit is borderline incomprehensible.
In case anyone was wondering how Iranians are feeling about the conflict, Biden was kind enough to tell us all that they'll be staying strong
So far it just looks like HC is the pro-Russian supporter, I thought he was Dutch though. Could be mistaking him for another member probably (Darius maybe)
However, because WE continue to be the sole beacon of free speech, HelpfulCommie is allowed his views without the fear of going to the gulags for 1000 years! (Unlike other less free IF sites)
Anyway, supposed to be a second round of talks involving China as some sort of mediator for peace. I imagine China is going to use this opportunity to try to gain some sort of political points by trying to use leverage over Russia to get them to back down. Not sure if that would work though since Putin's libel to just threaten them with nukes as well.
Speaking of lobbing explosives, Putin's using cluster bombs now, so it's just indiscriminate bombing and everyone's a target. Strategy has been abandoned in favor of maximum carnage. Go big or go home.
Meanwhile Ukrainians are making the captured Russian soldiers call their moms and tell them why they're invading. No seriously, most of these are brainwashed snot nosed kids. When they've been asked what they're doing there, almost all of them have answered with "I don't know." (Much like some little kid would when they know they're in trouble)
I am most certainly not Dutch. I'm American. I do appreciate this little bastion of free speech. As for cluster bombs, the US dropped 13,000 of those in Iraq including in residential areas, but no one made a fuss about it back then, and it continues to export them to foreign countries even to this day.
Nobody cares about bombing brown third worlders. We do that all the time.
The last time white people got mass bombed though was WW2, so this is a special occasion!
Actually, the last time that happened was during the Yugoslav Wars, which arguably has some similarities to the current conflict. NATO claims that it bombed Serbia because it was committing genocide against ethnic minorities. Russia also claims that Ukraine is committing genocide against Russians in Donbass.
Nobody gives a shit about Balkan third worlders getting bombed either.
Though speaking of the Serbs, apparently there was rally there that was supporting Russia. Heard there was some friction going on in that whole ex-Yugoslavia area a few weeks before all this Ukraine-Russia thing blew up.
I'm sort of wondering if the Serbs and Croats/Bosniaks will take this opportunity to start beating each other over the head again seeing as times are in their "interesting" phase currently.
Serbs and Ukrainians are both Slavic peoples, so personally I don't see why I should care about the latter getting bombed anymore than the former.
As a Serb third worlder that was bombed, I fully support Russia in this. Not so much cause I think that they're morally (or in any way) justified, but simply because anything that helps Russia and makes America worse is a win in my book.
And basically literally everyone I know fully support Russia. Only the faggot feminists don't. Just my 2 cents on this subject.
Can someone run this motherfucker over again?
I fucking love these forums lmao.
... Pretty sure Russia is taking a bigger blow from all of this than America. From what I've seen, America's reaction is pretty much:
America is basically a perfect country though.
The difference being that the Serbs were actually committing genocide while Russia is lying
Putin is fucked beyond fucked. Let me explain.
He can't pull out now, as that would be admitting the war is a mistake, which is political suicide.
He'll probably take Ukraine, but he won't win. Ukraine is unbelievably unified right now, and there's MILLIONS of militias and insane amount of resistance. That will persevere once Putin takes over the government.
The only way to put down the resistance is being extremely destructive and brutal, which goes against the purpose and his goals, and what support he has will go down, and the West will be harsher against him. All of this is very undesirable.
In the meantime, his economy will continue to go down hill. By the end, he'll most likely be disposed of by his own people.
Putin is fucked beyond fucked.
Actually, you're wrong, Putin won't get Ukraine. In fact, I'll wager 50 points (I was wrong about this conflict before and I don't plan on it again).
The other stuff I agree with though. He's fucked the economy so hard it'll either cause even more mass emigration, which Putin was already dealing with due to the stagnation of the economy prior to this invasion---by the way, that stagnation was in large part due to his own constant economic malpractice and theft, or people will just turn on him and eat him or guillotine him or whatever it is that poor people do to rich people.
I disagree. At the current rate, he won't take Ukraine. BUT, Russia has only begun to take out the big guns. What you've seen so far is Russia at like, 1%(might be an exaggeration but you get the point). They've started to amp it up, but even now it's not as much as they could do.
I do believe that Ukraine has a very very solid chance of successfully repelling, and I only said that Russia will probably take over.
I'll take you up on that wager only on the condition that no other country directly intervenes, and "get Ukraine" means removing the current administration from office (including if Zelensky goes into exile) or pushing them out of the major cities (we can use the top 5 cities for this wager). I'm also not confident about Russia's long-term prospects for holding the territory, so if either of these conditions are achieved even temporarily, I would win the wager. Do you agree to those conditions?
I think that the conditions for "Putin gets Ukraine" are arbitrary and up to my interpretation at some undecided date in the future. Thank you for your understanding.
Ukraine might be unbelievably united right now, but frankly I don't think it would be able to survive a protracted war with Russia. Even with the sanctions, if Russia is just willing to crank up its overreliance on china (which it is absolutely slimy enough to do) it has the resources and the desperate gopnik population to throw at this issue until Ukraine effectively loses the siege and can't put up a reasonable resistance, and no other western country will (or even should) intervene, because Ukraine's geography makes it a hilariously imbalanced chokepoint where the entirety of russia can fire at a funnel formed by two mountain ranges at the only reliable angle that tanks and land vehicles can come through. We might only be able to help with air superiority, but that alone will not hold land, and at the end of the day Ukraine is going to run out of people with guns long before Russia runs out of even its current military personnel.
Yeah, that's what I said. Or are you agreeing with me?
Hello, Russian mothers? Come pick up your sons at the Ukrainian principal's office, they were caught vandalizing property.
Personally, I'm excited for Escape from Kharkiv, the sequel to Escape from Tarkov.
Or to distract Ukrainian civilians from leaving.
Apparently Putin told everyone to stop sanctions against Russia as it does not have any bad intentions towards its neighbors, things are being blown out of proportion and that everyone should go back to normalization and cooperation after this is all over.
He's just trolling at this point. Lol.
Putin's still trolling.
Claimed the sanctions on Russia are an act of war, also said anyone making Ukraine a no fly zone an act of war. Visa and Mastercard halted the use of their cards in Russia.
Also there was supposed to be a cease fire to get some people out of Mariupol, but Russia just kept firing at it anyway. Then they basically said "Oh, whoops I misunderstood your request due to all the loud explosions."
That last one reminds me of when I'm playing Civilization and the AI wants a cease fire and I just agree to it long enough so I can move the rest of my units into position to take the city and fortify it properly.
Even Russians are leaving their own country now.
Probably a good idea if one is concerned about not being able to leave later.
Sort of a funny comparison to Americans that threaten to leave because of whatever politician got elected and then never actually do it because in the scheme of things, shit here is NEVER that fucking bad to go to such lengths.
I got a good chuckle out of this.
Everyone was wondering if China was going to back pedal from supporting Russia considering how much they've bungled this Ukraine invasion and how badly world opinion has gone.
Well, they can stop wondering because apparently China's been supporting the Russian propaganda that the U.S. has biolabs in Ukraine. Got their state press posting it and everything. Could be that they're just stirring the pot to troll the round eyes, but seems like they're still helping out ol' Vlad.
Meanwhile, Russia's currently blowing the shit out of Ukraine's capital. Bombed western Ukraine, and generally continuing to fuck the place up. Rumors are saying they're going to start using chemical weapons, but I guess we'll only know if they start gassing people, If that happens apparently "Russia will pay a severe price" according to Biden.
Short of actually NUKING them, not sure what more severe of a price can be paid. It's clear Vlad gives zero fucks about anything at this point. Seems like he's fully intent on going out with a bang literally.
If the reports are accurate, Russia is asking China for military equipment.
Sheesh, that's pretty bad considering Russia was once giving them all the stuff they didn't want at one time.
Nevermind, I was poorly informed in my assumption that Russia had basic military infrastructure and would be able to win in an invasion by default. Turns out their vehicles have been well-known impractical pieces of shit since the 70s and are barely any different now, their communications systems are completely unencrypted and anyone with a wal-mart walkie talkie can just go to Ukraine and fart at Russians, their planes can't hit shit because every other country has disconnected them from the GPS network, and even if their vehicles weren't shit, Russia has been so corrupt for so long that barely any of them are built up to any real standards. And how do we know they haven't been built up to any standards? Because farmers routinely "capture" tanks and other vehicles that keep getting stuck in the mud and/or running out of fuel by pulling them away on tractors, and they might actually have more of these shitty tanks with missing parts and expired munitions than the russians do at this point.
Seems like I was sorely mistaken for just looking at the numbers. This isn't even close to an actual first or second world country swallowing a rural microstate with its advanced military technology. This is a morbidly drunk big fat guy trying to whip his son with a belt, but his son is pretty fast at this point and the alcoholic dad is in serious danger going up and down stairs. The whole "loss by attrition" "Russia's second afghanistan" thing that other countries were besieging russia for, assuming it would eventually drain them in the occupation phase of the war, is already happening in the invasion part that everyone thought was a given.
And this is what we've been afraid of fighting for so long, as if Russia was an actual military threat to NATO. No wonder Putin got so scared when Ukraine wanted to join NATO.
The issue with the big fat drunk guy isn't so much that you can't fight him, it's that he was also a noted gun nut in the 60s, and if any of the neighbors interfere he's gonna shoot someone.
With a nuke.
I may be taking this too seriously but it's kind of scary that this man is one of the richest men in the world, owns around 36% of all active satellites, and he still acts like a frat boy who had too much to drink.
I would pay to watch a gladiator match between Putin and Elon ngl
I sure hope so.
My uncle shared this IGN link with me about how Russia is apparently legalizing online piracy to counter sanctions and embargos against them.
What a time to be alive.
Isn't government sanctioned piracy called privateering?
I wonder if the US should drop this in Kiev instead of more javelins. But maybe it'd be an ideal target for aircraft to try and intercept?
Meanwhile apparently Putin paid a bunch of Russians five dollars (500 rubles lol) to attend his recent rally and there's a deep fake going around with Zelenskyy telling Ukrainians to surrender.
Combined with Russian soldier desertions and minor purges (just arrests for now) of military leaders under the suspicion of being traitors and yeah the campaign is fucked.
My mom started crying when the war started and now she's crying once again. I guess that means this thing hasn't stopped (despite social media no longer caring).
Also, countries and companies have began to discriminate against Russians, and my brother might get rejected from a job for being Russian (despite living in America since the collapse of the Soviet Union and being a citizen of the US). I have a few similar stories that my mom is getting from her acquaintances in America and in Germany. It's interesting how the entirety of the western world is being affected by war hysteria that's resulting from a war that we're not even participating in. It's also baffling how a new form of cultural sanctioning has emerged, wherein orchestras aren't allowed to perform Tchaikovsky because he's definitely affiliated with Putin's despotical regime.
Obviously don't tell anyone you're Russian, say your Polish or some other slav if you get pressed about it for some strange reason (Hell, say you're Ukrainian for sympathy points.)
You guys are white, it should be a lot easier to hide yourself from discrimination.
Just to clarify, I'm not affected at all, but people with Russian passports/citizenships are being harassed by their employers, from whom they can't hide this information.
The music video of Dschingis Khan performing Moskau in 1979 has shot up to 12 million views pretty recently.
Well it's been about a month and the Russians still haven't taken over Ukraine. Things are so bad that apparently some of their troops are getting frostbite due to lack of proper winter clothing.
Like how the hell does Russia fail so hard at something like that, considering that's how they defeated Napoleon and Hitler. Lol.
Anyway, in a bid to stay in relevant, North Korea launched a missile off coast of Japan probably saying "I'm not touching you! Nener nener nener!" the whole time.
Well Japan did go there and RAEP all their womyns a long time ago. Plus they see them as a running dog of the evil American Empire.
They'd probably like to reach Alaska, but nuking Japan would be a good second place trophy. (We already got the first place one for that)
And they did it yet again, the Russians claimed they were going to reduce military activity and then proceeded to bomb more shit.
Not sure why Ukrainians are even bothering with peace talks at all right now since Russia is obviously just using them as a stall/troll tactic, which has worked better than any of their actual military ones oddly enough.
Also apparently the Russians sent in some infamous merc company known as the Wagner Group. A ruthless bunch that routinely comit war crimes have some Nazi beliefs. Sending in Nazis to "De-Nazify Ukraine" is such a wacky idea!
The founder though just claims to have a "passion" for the Third Reich and named the group after Hitler's favorite composer.
Yep, totally not a Nazi.
He's actually lost his fucking marbles. The shit he is doing is just so absurdly and consistently evil, yet he keeps doing it.
The amount of bungling the Russians are doing never ceases to be hilarious.
Russian troops pulled out of Chernobyl due to taking so many rads that they aren't going to need a flashlight to take a midnight piss.
Not sure why they thought it would be a good idea to dig trenches in irradiated soil, let alone hang out in radland in the first place. LARPing as a Stalker isn't as fun as the video game.
Anyway, Putin just signed a piece of paper to conscript more of his people into this meat grinder since I guess his main goal is wanting Russia all to himself at this point.
So the Russians got their flagship sunk by a Ukrainian missile.
Attempting to save face by claiming incompetence instead (It was just a just a fire bro!) doesn't make this look any better for them. Lol.
Yeah, not quite sure why they would miss out on an opportunity to vilify the big, bad Ukrainians and instead go with, "We're just so fucking stupid that we somehow managed to blow our own ship up."
On the bright side for Russia... They've gained a new submarine! ^_^
It allegedly also had a piece of the True Cross onboard.
This makes me think some sorta cool Indiana Jones shenanigans were secretly going on in the background.
Well this is a long shot since he never was really active and he's probably dead, but might as well ask since he does have an account here.
@Sam_Ursu what's the situation in that weird break away Moldova state you live in?