Finally a writing question that all CYSers can answer!
My own answer is yes, but I think a bigger challenge is to write a hero that’s a current rapist.
Can't be Seto, he's already serving 200 to Life there.
I run a proxy like 24/7 so even if they IP ban, can sneak right back in.
But they'll bully me again :(
They hurt my poor feelings last time when I asked a question and got tossed very quickly into prison. For two hundred years.
Wuthering Heights was a shitty book for desperate housewives written by an even more pathetic housewife, and since it's an example in what you asked us to discuss, this counts as what you asked for. Shitty, fuck awful book with no substance behind its weak attempt at a story.
Okay, so also related:
Recently was reading one of those “RPG Horror Story” sessions, and the setting was one where Nazis took over the world.
One guy was playing some pansexual Jewish dude in the resistance and he would go out of his way to rape Nazis that they captured and would go into graphic detail about how he was violating them and chopping them up, etc. Generally torture/rape porn level I guess. Made the dude telling the story uncomfortable. For whatever reason, he didn’t rape Nazi women, just the men since I guess that would be “too far.” (And something about needing to emasculate the men via RAPE)
Anyway, the tipping point was the character raping one of the guard dogs as part of the torture which at that point the guy fled the table and never played with them again.
Now with this example, is the character still a hero? (Obviously the real person playing said character is a degenerate living out some gay power fantasy, but that’s a different subject)
I don't get why rape in entertainment is so taboo.
There are plenty of attempted murder victims but nobody's pausing to show murder for their sake.
If it's done well, I guess so.
As long as the story isn't just the protagonist raping people, thinking about people they raped in the past, and rape in general.
It should be. Totally. You know how much money they could make? Make that bank, son! Open up a Patreon and profit off the sickness of the masses. Feed the children who will nourish you in turn. Use that money to donate to rape relief charity.
Seems like there's a lot of places a story like that could go.
Is it a moral quandary? I like to draw picture on mspaint of anime character murdering each other and vaping during lectures, and I've never taken up the lifestyle of a murdering vapist. People do it all the time in fanfiction. It's an entire kink. They could make money off of this! Oh my God! They should become a crappy light novel author and profit off of a really niche genre involving sympathetic non-con and make that bank. We should follow in example.
Well some people had a BIG argument in Mizal's Discord about writing rape in a story and if it was bad or not.
Axiom said it was bad, but said you could go ahead and do it. Malk sided with her.
Coins was pro-rape and stuck to his guns about currently writing his pro-rape story. Looking forward to reading it.
Since I didn't bother back reading, I'm not sure if Steve weighed in on this topic, but the general consensus was that he'd argue with Axiom and be a douchebag whether he was actually pro-rape or not.
Also defined tasteful rape as writing rape in such a way that its important to the plot/story and not for shock value. Mizal's Date Rape story is the best example of this.
What was anyone's reason for not writing about rape?
Axiom said something about it being unnecessary and exploitative and ultimately you shouldn’t write anything deliberately triggering unless you’re attempting to explore a deeper meaning behind it rather than writing “RAPE LOL.”
I think she also said something about it being a lazy way of making bad guys seem even worse and something about a lot of female readers that are going to find it off putting. She also went into some feminist stuff along with media violence being bad in general.
Oh and it makes you look like an edgelord.
Or if you are going to write that sort of thing, you should just say “I don’t give a shit who I offend. RAPE LOL.” and be done with it.
Which is ultimately what coins should have just said when he was writing his pro-rape story in the first place.
Ugh, that's retarded. By that standard, why write about characters who torture or abused? It's offensive to those who've been through that. You might as well just bar off any immoral actions being portrayed and waste the majority of literature because you think that something becomes unnecessary just because it's a dark and disturbing topic.
I'm clearly not saying that you have to rely on rape. But if the bad guy is capable of doing anything that causes harm to anyone, or anything that could offend something or be unnecessary, you're severely limiting the medium.
I'll tear out your womb and feed it to you, you bitch.
Just to be clear; this story has rape in it but is not "pro-rape" in any way.
As long as it adds to the story, it should be fine. It's not something I would personally put in a story.
I meant to bring this up when he died, but this rape thread seems like a good place to do it since it has something to do with womyn and aggressive breeding practices.
If you’re familiar with A Boy and His Dog, its basically a post apocalyptic story about a protagonist going about trying to survive with his telepathic dog. Along the way he also isn’t above trying to rape women in the process. He’s not exactly a villain protagonist, but he’s definitely not a hero.
In any case, he encounters a woman that he’s trying to get some sex from and gets into a whole wacky adventure with her since she leads him to some fucked up underground society where they want to milk his man juices to create more babies. (They hook him up to a machine rather than the old fashioned fun way)
Eventually he escapes with the girl who has a change of heart and makes it back to the surface. Though his dog has been waiting faithfully on the surface is starving to death and he needs food.
The protagonist, not wishing to have his dog die he kills the girl and feeds her to the dog.
Now in the book the last bit has the protagonist reflecting on his hard choice and wondering about his fee fees and he’s remembering her earlier question “Do you know what love is?” and the answer is “A boy loves his dog.”
Yes, yes, very thoughtful.
Of course in the movie, they went for a joke instead, and while the protagonist is talking to his dog about how it wasn’t his fault that the girl fell in love with him and then the dog says something like she had good judgement, but not particularly good taste. And then they laugh while walking into the sunset.
Yes, yes, very amusing.
Cheap bad jokes aside, the author Harlan Ellison HATED this change in dialogue, which he ended up calling hateful, moronic and chauvinistic.
Okay I get as a writer, him getting pissed about any changes to his original vision, that’s natural, but apparently other than that line he didn’t mind the movie.
What I never understood is why he got so pissy about the last jokey line being "hateful towards women" when this was a guy who wrote about a protagonist that had no problems with sexual assault to get his rocks off and ultimately killed a woman to feed his dog.
How the fuck was the story NOT sexist to begin with if we’re going by the whole “progressive” mindset?
In any case Harlan was routinely an asshole towards women (well everyone really), so just never understood his stance on that minor thing.
Oh by the way, recently realized I pretty much have at least one rape scene or implication of rape in all but one of my stories.
So I figure I'm doing something right.
Sadly, I will never excel in the animal cruelty department so I have to make up all my edgelord points with all the other stuff instead.
I've played Necromancer and Death Song and don't remember rape in either one.
Those ones are more on the "mentioned in passing" scale.
Death Song has a scene where some demons just got finished raping and killing some folks and talking about it before the bard stumbles on them when he's fleeing the first major conflict at Aftermath.
In Necromancer, well that's sort of how his father met his mother. He just fucked up and fell in love. I mean I've gotten a direct complaint about that one in the comment section (Right up there with lesbians complaining about the rug munching reference).
Not to mention it's mentioned that before he met her, his Chimera Company was a whole lot worse with the whole pillaging and raping bit.
In any case I'm counting them since at least a few members labor under the belief that I'm gleefully writing stories with rape scene after rape scene. I'd hate to ruin such an image.
what about counter-rape? if someone is raping you, and you jiu jitsu yourself out of it, and then you start raping them in retaliation, is that illegal? is it immoral?
It is in fact illegal.