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28 days ago

So EndMaster has put up the annual Contest (#5!) roughly 12 hours ago and already 20 prompts are claimed. Are you planning to participate? Have you already claimed a prompt? Mystic hasn't even signed up yet, but they are probably already beating you on wordcount. Have you hit your first block yet?

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28 days ago
Technically I already have a lot of planning done and even 3730 words written since I'm going with an idea I had a while ago. Hopefully I will get to use at least some of those in the final game.

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28 days ago
You are starting off better staged than me for sure.

Is it a bad sign when you are already doubting your story title just a few minutes in?

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28 days ago
And four more prompts gone in only an hour!

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28 days ago

I took pompt 6. I'm not far in at all, not even 1,000 words. Started around 30 minutes ago.

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27 days ago

I took prompt #50 and will work on it between creating a rough plan for Safety Not Found. I'm probably going to procrastinate and rush out a half-finished project, but here's hoping that isn't the case

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27 days ago
Mystic mentioned at the end of the last contest that she probably wouldn't be able to join this one. (But there is already a mystery contestant, so...)

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27 days ago

I took prompt 49, and I have a title.

So far, that's it.

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27 days ago
And I have the prompt about an underground society. I'm currently deciding which of my one hundred reserved titles to cannibalize for it.

You will play a dwarf, meaning the gay porn will be very well hidden beneath the beard.

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27 days ago

XD

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27 days ago
Bear porn still counts as gay porn.

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27 days ago
Well, it's nice to see I'm not the only title hoarder.

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27 days ago
Oh intriguing, which titles have you reserved? Could we try to bribe you to actually write the stories that go with them?

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27 days ago
I got the traveling merchant one. I just picked a prompt at random but this one is pretty versatile. I already have the bones for a story. I'm just planning the branches out at this stage.

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27 days ago
I picked the same prompt I had for an old contest, about women at home while the men were at war. Never did write anything for it. XD

My ideas around it are for a more realistic kind of story now though. There's a storygame here called Anya's Choice that did something similar to what I have in mind, though mine will be longer.

Still going to finish up my game from the last contest and a couple of other old projects too though.

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27 days ago
The full plan is complete !

I have the underwater adventure prompt. But now I need to write the story. I have two small pages and two larger pages that will need to be edited (only 2000 words, I know it's not much).

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26 days ago
Got a title page together and wrote the first page, about 500 words. Revised it before work and tonight I plan on knocking out at least another page.

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26 days ago
Knocked out another page of 430ish words. 941 words total.

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25 days ago
Nicely done Chris!

I'm currently at 486 words, so you've got 500 more than me.

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12 days ago
Didn't do shit on the story for like two weeks but wrote two more pages today. Wordcount is 2,114.

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26 days ago

I'm not going to miss out on Endmaster's contest, and I'm using it as an excuse to write a storygame that people have been waiting for...

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25 days ago

I only have 58 words so far:

Our world is a grave, yet here we live on.
Our allies have fallen, yet here we stand strong.
In darkest night we are the torch.
In deepest cold we are the forge.
Winterthorne weathers the storm!

For your walls, our lives. For your king, our blood.
While Winterhorne shines, we shall not give up.
Winterthorne is home!

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25 days ago
It may be only 58 words, but it's 58 words that look really cool and promising! Not to mention, it's 58 words more than much of your competition has completed so far.

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25 days ago
I temporarily set mine to sneak peak since I'm curious if other people also get a html bug on the first page so if anyone has a second to check let me know.

https://chooseyourstory.com/story/artificial

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25 days ago
Oh that looks nice. It worked for me. Very nice effect. But the mouseover color on the links is too dark.
Looking forward to read the rest.

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25 days ago
Yeah I didn't change the hover color for those so it might be a bit dark for a black background. Good catch.

The issue I see when testing as a storygame is that the 4th line appears before the 2nd and 3rd do which is not supposed to happen and in fact doesn't when I test the code as a separate html file. I'm guessing CYS struggles with keeping time or something.

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25 days ago
It's the div on "Booting up". It resets the timing as it makes the next lines first children and so on again.

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25 days ago
Except it shouldn't reset the timing because that one is part of a separate class and it doesn't when I run that page as a pure html file in my browser which is why I'm confused on that. It's not that big a deal, but triggers my OCD nonetheless.

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25 days ago
I absolutely love that. 10/10.

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25 days ago

*Gasp* No way! How did you do that?! That's insane!!! :D

Ok frick looking at scripting later I HAVE to have this.

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25 days ago

I really liked the first page! How did you code something like that?

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25 days ago

Scripting, propably very advanced scripting. Can't tell you more than that :P

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25 days ago
Right click anywhere on the page. Click inspect. If you can't read the code ask ChatGPT to explain it to you. It's easy you'll see.

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25 days ago

Oh... I'm dumb ><

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25 days ago
No shame in learning new things. I learn new things every day.

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Thanks! :D

 

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25 days ago
It's an animation done purely in CSS by changing the opacity of individual lines based on a delay.

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25 days ago

So... it isn't complex then? That also explains how you made Arise fade in.

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Yeah that's the same type of code, the only difference is that the fade in is set to .02 seconds for the main lines and a full second for the Arise

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Oh... well I guess being able to do something so cool with something so simple is all the more reason to start learning scripting!

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25 days ago

I agree, you can do really cool stuff with scripting.

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      I know, I just didn't realize you could to the cool stuff in the easier levels. The way most things work is it gets better when it gets harder.

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25 days ago
And be clear on what kind of scripting you are wanting to look at. There is CYS scripting, Javascript, and HTML/CSS scripting (and others, but those are the most relevant to the site).

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I guess all of them. CYS right now though, because I'm making stories on here.

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Do you have a concrete idea (or even a loose one) for what you want to use this for or is this being driven by a novelty "wow" factor at the moment?

(I'm mainly just asking out of curiosity here! lol :P)

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25 days ago

     Mostly wow, but I've wanted to do scripting for a while now and was scared by how hard it looked. I also want to do coding, but my mom always sends me to the same beginner camp using basic block code... I can't even figure out the variable blocks in scratch T-T

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25 days ago
It's easy. If you can break a procedure down into steps, then you can also code. But you don't need a camp for this. It's far easier to learn from youtube and AI. And perhaps a good book.

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I have youtube. AI... I don't want my parents catching that on my history.

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25 days ago
You can tell them a Computer Science professor told you, you need it to learn coding.

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...You're a computer science professor? Or are you telling me to lie?

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I have an engineering degree in computer science and I agree with him so there's that.

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I've taught basic coding classes before, so even if Fab isn't (although I think he is), you have a second one to back him up.

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25 days ago
He isn't anymore, but he was.

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25 days ago

I unironically reccomend DMing Ogre about some scriptng stuff for CYS that you can't figure out via on site guides or googling. At least with me he tended to respond pretty well to that sort of thing.

Maybe that's not the best idea per say, but its nice to have someone you can ask directly when everything else doesn't end up sufficing enough for learning this stuff.

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25 days ago

Thanks. Not sure if I'm actually going to do that though. Is... this spamming?

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25 days ago

Was going to edit my post to say Nevermind since others (like Fabrikant and Cavus) seem to know just as much.

I only mentioned Ogre due to anecdotal experience on my part! My b...

:/

(lol :P)

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25 days ago

Sorry...

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25 days ago

Wrong reply >_<

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25 days ago
You'll probably like him once you meet him.

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25 days ago

     Ok. This is important. Ogre is so heart to the site there a phrase "I like Ogre" that people say here. I honestly don't know that much, so maybe bury through the forums or look at his profile.

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25 days ago

Thanks!

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No problem! :D

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21 days ago

I like Ogre

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I think, like with any skill, it comes down to understanding the basics, a desire to use the skill itself, and the willingness to learn more about craft behind the skill.

I too was wowed by this, but then I started to question what exactly I'd use it for and if it was worth learning even if its not as "hard as it looks".

I'm probably just really lazy though. Your still young though, you ought to be learning as much as possible before you turn 19! (obviously one should be open to learning new things in general, but its especially important at an early age for reasons I'm sure you can deduce well enough on your own accord! lol :P) (I heard at one point that your brain starts to develop differently once you turn 19, but I never looked into it so idk at this point if that's even one of the main cutoff points anymore...or if there even is one to begin with! So take that with a bit of grain of salt I guess! :/)

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     It does, but not entirely until 21 or 25 I'm not sure which. You can still learn after that, it's just harder. At that point you have better judgement, which is also why the drinking age is (I think) 21 because that's the earliest someone's likely to be responsible about their drinking.

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I was thinking of somehow using it for my shopkeeper story, but didn't decide yet ;D

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     That's cool! Maybe you want to just join the conversation, but just in case, do you have threaded veiw on?

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25 days ago

Yes, I think. Is it the thing were the reply's move a small bit to the right?

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     Yes! That's good. And you know if a post is floating it's replying to the first post above it a bit to the left?

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Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info :p

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      No problem. It was just that Alien was responding to me, so generally that would mean he's addressing me unless a mistake was made. You can still join the conversation, it just could be considered rude or seen as you don't know who to reply to or you don't have threaded view or something.

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25 days ago
Looking at the page source, I have to say I'm doubly impressed. You seem to have done this for over a hundred lines. If I could throw you flowers, I would.

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25 days ago
That part wasn't difficult, a bit tedious at most. The most annoying part is that I had to compress both the style block and the body into 2 lines because otherwise the editor couldn't compile it for some reason so making any kinds of changes is now a nightmare. A properly formatted html file was I think something over 500 lines.

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25 days ago
Well, the mental work behind it is the real awesomeness. Might have to steal this and put it in PSYOPS for the ending when the supercomputer assesses what transpired and solves entropy like Asimov.

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Flux, you know what's funny? I literally just read "The Last Question", and am now doing something Gazette-related to the story. That's such a cool coincidence!

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25 days ago
Lol wow that is interesting. Perhaps Cosmic AC has something to do with it XD.

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25 days ago
This looks so cool Cavus!

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24 days ago

That's incredible, how are you and Gryphon using magic on the storygame editor?

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23 days ago

Okay, how the hell did you manage this sorcery?! It's almost exactly what I wanted to do for some parts of Name Not Found, but I could never figure out anything to do with scripting! Please, teach me your ways!

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25 days ago
Finished my first page. I'm going to ride that high for a while, feels good to have done something productive this early in the game.

Also, I'll use this comment as a progress log. I feel like one of the biggest mistakes I made last year and during the Edutainment contest was convincing myself that I would just get it done, some way and somehow. I now realize I'm not that guy, and that a little accountability will be simultaneously a source of inspiration for me, for how far I've come, along with being a sobering reminder for how far I still have yet to go.


Progress report
12/31/2025 - Picked the prompt. Created the game. Titled it. Did nothing else.
1/1/2026 - Nothing
1/2/2026 - Nothing
1/3/2026 - I wrote 779 words today. Total words written: 779.
1/4/2026 - I wrote 140 words so far in my first writing session. Wrote 84 words in my second writing session. Total words written: 1003. Reached the thousand word mark!
1/5/2026 - Nothing
1/6/2026 - I wrote 71 words during my lunch break at work. Could have written more. Day's not over yet. May write more when I get back home. Wrote 212 more words later, making my total word count 283 words today. Total words written: 1286.
1/7/2026 - Nothing
1/8/2026 - Nothing
1/9/2026 - Nothing(But a huge exam I've been studying for for months is finally over! So I can write more in the future).
1/10/2026 - Nothing
1/11/2026 - Nothing
1/12/2026 - Nothing
1/13/2026 - Wrote 189 words so far. Total word count: 1475 words.
1/14/2026 - Nothing.
1/15/2026 - Nothing
1/16/2026 - Nothing
1/17/2026 - Nothing
1/18/2026 - Nothing
1/19/2026 - Nothing
1/20/2026 - Wrote 35 words so far. Total word count: 1510 words.
1/21/2026 - Nothing.
1/22/2026 - Nothing
1/23/2026 - Nothing
1/24/2026 - Nothing
1/25/2026 - Wrote 1 word today. Total word count: 1511 words.

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25 days ago
I feel like getting started immediately, no matter how little progress you end up making does make the process easier because there longer you wait the more daunting starting becomes.

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That's true. I feel like I'm a lot less stressed and more excited about the idea than I would be if I waited till the last minute. I saw what you had so far, and it was genuinely awesome! You got a potential top 5 in your hands, Cavus. Stay diligent and focused.

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25 days ago

     Top 5? I don't see Mysic around. Or anyone else crazy unless I don't know about the skill of someone here. Well, actually she's probably the mystery contestant. Let me check the thread quickly.

EDIT: Yeah.

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There's plenty of good writers around, but also I don't have that good of a track record with my first contest game being ranked in the middle, the second being rushed and unfinished, and the third being 2nd last because I went experimental with it. This time around I want to write something more proper so who knows. I did bet 500 points I'll submit something decent (rated 5 or above and/or ranked in the top 50%) so I sure hope people will like the final product.

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Oh ok. I just thought it looked so cool. Or maybe that's just because I'm a kid...

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I thought it looked so cool too, and I'm a 23-year old adult. You're never too old to appreciate cool things!

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:D

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2 pages wrapped in pretty styling a top 5 game don't make is all. I can still fall flat in terms of actual story or mess something else up.

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True.

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I have a few more pages written out for a total of like 3000 words (the animated opening page is counted as 1000 on its own but I don't add it to the word count proper because the styling causes a miscounting). Most of it was written before the contest when I first came up with the idea and then got derailed from it by things like the review contest etc. Think I mentioned it to you in DMs before.

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Just reached 2k words in my story so far! Do you guys think 1k words a day is a good target? I'm still feeling like a bit of a newbie since there are so many great writers on this site. >_<

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     That's great! That's better than most people in the contest are (probably) going to do (no offense meant to anyone), and most definitely better than practically all the noobs in their first week.

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Thanks! 

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My progress is now 2k words... T-T

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Wow. You're unreal, Avo. Too cool!

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What do you mean? 2k is nothing.

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Well, different people write at different speeds. 2k words for me is a really solid amount of work that would probably take a few hours, spread out over a few days. Especially in the beginning, as I'm getting the ball rolling. Of course, my speed is pretty variable, so there may be days where 2k flows like water, but right now, I'm in the stage where ~500 words is a decent amount of work for 1 session.

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Ah, ok. This is my second sitting and I've done around 500 so far.

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As someone who is known to write quickly, I think 2k in three days is pretty good. Consistency beats speed every time. I personally find it more difficult to write the start of stories, but once you're partway through, you're more accustomed to the narrative style, characters, world and writing daily in general, so that's where the occasional 5k a day (or even 10k a day) may appear.

Just to clear up confusion, although I know it's tradition to suspect me of always being in these prompt contests, I have too many January deadlines to join. Writing would be too fun of a distraction at the moment. But that means someone else could write the epic this time around!

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24 days ago
Just what a mystery contestant would say....

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That does mean you have more than 95% of contestants and almost half as much as a 3rd of final submissions will have in total so good job.

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XD

I was just hoping to have been more productive.

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Prompt #15

I already have a plan for what the plot is going to be. Currently laying out the groundwork.

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Nicely done Fire! I'm really glad you took the initiative to join.

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Cool! If I'm not wrong this will be your first story (assuming you get it done), right?

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yes

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Cool! Can't wait to see how you do! :D (lol, maybe this thread with get your posts into the double digits, just one more!)

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I have about 1200 words written. I'm definitely planning on doing better with this contest than the last ones.

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Nice! I got 1,000

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24 days ago

That's awesome!

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All the people with their thousands of words already, and I have one paragraph. I swear it's always like this. I try to tell myself it's my style, that I have to see it before I write it. But all the writing coaches say the best practice is to just vomit it all out Exorcist-style in a first draft and then go back and edit it five times.

I suspect I'll still be at one paragraph in three weeks too. Smh.

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Despite this, you placed second in Sherb's summer contest, and won last year's prompt contest. You'll be fine.

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And he's won a contest! :D

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LOL fair enough, but last year was just one of those lucky ideas that kind of write themselves. But maybe there's something to waiting until you really understand the story to write. I don't follow enough writing advisors to know for sure. I just know all the ones I watch on YouTube have said the best way is to write, no matter what just write.

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Which writing YouTubers do you watch, Flux?

I kind of want to get into writing videos, but sometimes, there feels like there's just so many out there.

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Brandon Sanderson is a big one (has lectures from his school on Youtube). John Matthew Fox is another one, an editor by trade, I like watching. Has good advice. Those are the two big ones, but also I sometimes watch Jed Herne, who has a few published books but he's not quite as godly as Sanderson.

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Thanks Flux! I'll check them out!

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     Lol, that's fine. And I don't know what coaches you're talking about, maybe (probably) they know better than me but I think it really depends on who you're talking about.

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YouTube coaches. People who have had a few successful publications, or people who have worked as editors. Given the fact that they're on YouTube probably means they aren't as successful as you'd want in a coach. But on the other hand, one of them is Brandon Sanderson, who is hella successful.

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I'm still trying to finish up another story and researching stuff for mine, so I would count that at negative words. You are doing fine.

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I spent a lot of time researching last year. That was one of my crutches during writer's block.

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It's the same for me. Flow of consciousness text-dump works sometimes, but the pace needs to be such that the result is editable. Maybe it's a plotter vs. pantser thing, but in a strorygame also the branching has be planned.
I'm at 700 now.

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There's a reason I stopped entering NaNoWriMo. Writing a 50,000 word novel in a month just wasn't giving me anything that was either good or could be good.

I'm what I believe is a plantser - somewhere between plotter and pantser.

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That's the place where everybody should try to be.

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     If you don't mind me asking, what's a plotter and a pantser? I don't think you mean the definition that I got.

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A plotter - someone who works out every step of the way before starting writing.

A pantser - someone who just writes without a plan. AKA 'flying by the seat of your pants.'

It's been a while, but I think those are the definitions.

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Oh, ok that makes sense. I think I'm a mix, but definitely more pantser than plotter.

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Everybody is a mix, but it's good to have the self-awareness of where you are on the scale and adjust when necessary. Plotters can produce brilliant plots with cool twists and surprises, but they run a high risk of writers block and their characters can at times feel stiff. Pantsers excell typically excell at character and creating novelty from convincing character development, but they tend to get stuck in editing and often struggle with pacing.

Brandon Sanderson is very far on the plotter scale. Many of his books have elaborate plots with a firework of twists in the last pages. Stephen King is an example of someone who is far on the pantser scale. His plots are very simple but his best books really bring the characters to life.

Ideally you can adjust at least a little bit to the challenge that you are currently facing. Plot a bit more when you set big things in motion, pants a bit more when dealing with characters' internal life.

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Oh, thanks!

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I think I am both. I plan the overall goals of what each page should achieve but write the details as I go along シ

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I have 600 words !

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sorry, I mean 6000 words.

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Wow dude. What percentage are you done with the story?

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Nearly twenty percent, maybe? my characters are introduced and have met each other; in two more pages they will leave to go on their adventure which is split into three trials plus the final battle and the ending. My school has not resumed so I have had time for writing シ

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Alright so drunk Enter got talked into joining this prompt contest and of course he saddled me with the nazi prompt. Anyway let's get a progress bar started.

1/1 drunk NYE party and sign up
2/1 drunk NYE party's second day. Forgot all about it.
3/1 sit on wtf I'm supposed to do with this prompt
4/1 828 words. Concept and worldbuilding done.

1968. The Germans won the war. The USSR is destroyed. The Americas are about the last beacon of democracy in a multipolar world between them Italy, Germany and Japan. We're following two CIA analysts when the big news drops.

5/1 2840 words
6/1 4151 words
7/1 no progress
8/1 5037 words

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This sounds like a very interesting alt-history.

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I'll endeavour to make it a very interesting storygame too

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I'm having a hard time getting mine off the ground. I'm still trying to figure out what exactly the technology level is for one thing, but I think about like the Civil War era with some magic used in combat.

I'm trying to make it a story about a teenage girl's struggle to keep her family afloat after her father leaves and her mother suffers an injury. I'm not sure if Endmaster will like it but I wanted to try dealing with a more psychological plot with realistic themes.

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Does anyone else just have a fundamental difficulty conceiving of the branching parts of a story? That's the most important thing here and always what trips me up, I could write a 100k word novel more easily than a CYOA a third that size.

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     I don't have that issue. I actually find making ideas for CYOAs easier because whether I actually want it or not I tend to come up with mutiple ideas of how something could go. I can't write all of those even with CYOA though, because it's different actions for all of the characters/monsters/ect.

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A trick I use for making extra branches if I get stuck and already have a core outline is to work them out backwards. Using just the premise come up with some unique ending and then see how and from which point of what you already have you could lead the story to it. Bonus points if it circles back to something from a diffent branch as either a call out to or a completely new perspective on it.

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23 days ago
I'll try that. For me it's just there's such a difference between thinking a plot out that can be this big sweeping thing that just springs up in your head and then all you have to do is write it out, versus just having a base to start with and having to build on it bit by bit in all different directions.

It's like an author sitting down and thinking a little while and then going, "Okay, so this lawyer gets invite out to an old castle to close a deal, but eventually realizes his host is a vampire and he's being held prisoner. He tries to attack the vampire and that forces him to flee the castle. Later, a ship washes up elsewhere carrying cargo from the castle's owner, and strange things begin to happen. When a friend of his fiance's becomes mysteriously ill and transforms into a vampire, they're able to put two and two together and then use his letters to trace the problem back to the source..." and then just writing it out and having the most famous horror novel of all time.

Versus having to go "well, there's a castle with a vampire, and you go there and uh, various things can happen depending on where it makes sense to put a choice, and what makes sense to happen after that, and what I have time for". The main plot idea you have first where everything fits together doesn't get to be anymore important than the others.

Making sure I know all my endings first and the point of each path like Fabrijant suggested makes sense and may be easier if I have sonething specific to work towards.

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I rather have the opposite problem. I think as if I am the protagonist. If there is just one course of action in a situation it is fine, and there will only be one choice. But usually I come up with multiple things that I could possibly do in that situation, and then the question is these chpoices would actually lead to branches that are sufficiently different to merit their existance.

I usually follow the "Save the Cat" story beats to get the plot in shape, and thus when I branch I still need to find a way to create the right beats.

To avoid creating branches that are too similar my condition is that each branch must introduce a new flavor to the story. For me that means usually it must let the character evolve in a different way or change the archetype of the story.

For example in Rainbow-1 the first choice is if you actually want a story about the firefighter or a story about a prison break. If you choose the prison break the next choice is literally if you want to embrace your life of crime or try to turn everything around and be good, and so on.

Of course I create way too many branches. Rainbow-1 has over 70 endings now and will have close to 100 when it is fully implemented.

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23 days ago

I have a hard time making decisions so CYOAs are perfect because I can do both anytime I can't make a choice in story direction.

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What's your story about, Orange?

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Commended by EndMaster on 1/5/2026 3:21:41 AM

I was telling a friend about how I entered a writing contest and my prompt required incest. She told me "that's gross" and I "should've picked a different prompt." Clearly she does not understand fine art. 

I've only written a couple scenes so far but the story is about falling into a court drama / romance video game and romancing the male leads... all of which the main character is related to.   

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If you are looking for a good court room drama that could easily incorporate incest elements for inspiration, I would recommend looking at "The Night of January 16th" by Ayn Rand. It was the first play I've seen that pulled the jury from the audience and had both guilty and not guilty verdict endings.

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That sounds interesting, I'll have to read it.I honestly hadn't even considered taking "court drama" as a legal court room drama. It would be a fun way to interpret the prompt though.

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I think Mystic's Constellaris Court is a good example of court drama.

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23 days ago
And yet I bet if you just said you were writing about Cleopatra she'd have been all for it.

....is this a good time to mention one of my reserved titles is "F*ck, Marry, Kill Your Sister?" I've had that one so long I can't even remember why I made it but a hilariously decadent and corrupt Ptolemaic inspired dynasty was what I always had in mind.

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23 days ago

Glad to hear that you not only spoke proudly of your prompt choice, you fully committed to it.

Remember, you currently got the secret Group Hug bonus prompt so all point rewards are doubled. And if you win the contest, you'll double your double!

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I currently am planning out my characters and trying to figure out some kind of plot! Since my prompt specifies what kind of protagonist I should have, I've been tweaking things here and there. I'll most likely actually start writing once the next semester starts because I have to study for my exams..

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Your prompt is not easy. A passive protagonist in a CYOA sounds like an oxymoron but I'm sure there's a few directions you could take it. I wish you luck. 

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The best example of a pacifist protagonist I can think of is Thorfinn from the Vinland Saga anime.

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Thank you Orange! Since Undertale and other games have "pacifist runs", I believe there's some hope for a CYOA with one... 

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Pacifist is not the same as passive

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I just realized I misread Orange's reponse.. Thanks for informing me! 

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I literally had to check if Clayfinger was really the only Warden in this conversation. Is a character that prefers to resolve conflicts without murder really that much of a struggle even for a Marauder to conceive of?

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Not really! I have tons of ideas for the protagonist, but none of them feel right yet! I've been fiddling with ideas so I can choose the best out of all of them. 

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Well, the idea is kinda okay to do if you have this character be a diplomat, interrogator or just be so physically weak that they have to scheme their way to get what they want.

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In my opinion, a pacifist is someone who chooses to be non-violent. A weaker character does not even have that choice practically speaking; it wouldn't really matter if they were pacifist or not. That's why I suggested Thorfinn. The man was raised to be a killing machine but later develops ideals that cause him to abhor violence in all forms. It's not that he can't fight; he chooses not to.

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     Being a Marauder does not make some one better, every order has a shit pile at the bottom. If you really want to think of it in the way you are, then I think the best way to put it is you have to contribute to distinct yourself as a member of the order and not another bumbling noob.

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22 days ago
Nope, I wrote one.

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Hey, none of my characters has committed murder!

(yet)

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23 days ago
Just let us play as a wandering Buddhist monk or something, like the old man in Kim.

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That was actually one of my ideas LOL. I thought it would be too straight forward so I've been experimenting.

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21 days ago
A doctor, a lawyer, a scientist may also be good options--Albert Einstein was a politically active pacifist despite, you know, helping make a very large bomb.

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I've got an idea for the intro and general plot, and that's it. Haven't even taken notes on it yet, lol

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23 days ago
I wrote 3000 words of gay furry porn, and then unfortunately remembered that was against the rules. Back to the drawing board

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22 days ago

._.

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Does anyone here know a lot about ancient gods? I want to put some of them into my storygame, but I don't know too much about them, lol.

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LMAO, how in the world did you do that?! 

And while yes, I know I can just Google it, I find that people who know a good deal about a topic also know a lot of random trivia regarding it that you can't easily find via Google. Besides, it's more fun to see/hear someone talk about something they are passionate about.

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The issue with a subject like this is that you're basically either literally asking someone to Google a thing for you, or you're asking for people who don't value their time or have no specific education to summarize their memories of a thing they saw on reddit one time and then blended with their own opinions and a thing they heard somewhere else years ago without paying attention to sources.

And on an impossibly broad and massive topic like this anyway you'd be genuinely better off even doing something like skimming an overview on Wikipedia and then narrowing it down to areas of focus from the there.

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What kind of ancient gods are you talking about? Greek/Roman? Norse? Egyptian? Sumarian? Babylonian? The various Dharmic religions?

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All of them​​​​​​.

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That's a lot of gods.

Here is unsolicited advice: Don't put too much in your story or you'll just spin your wheels. You should probably learn a little bit about all types of gods so you can get token representation, but focus only on one or two as major antagonists or major side-characters or important side-characters.

In fact, maybe disregard what I said and go read Rick Riordan's stuff. Not just "Olympians," but also the Kane Chronicles. What he did is use a few major gods for plot and conflict and the rest as background texture/world building.

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That's a good idea. I have read quite a few books by Rick Riordan, and they were one of the reasons why I chose the prompt I did.

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OK some thoughts:

We generally know very little about prehistoric gods, because in prehistrory people didn't write anything down (by definition). This is kind of crazy given that gods are probably as old as humanity, so about 1.2M years and we only know about the beliefs of people for about 3k years, so 0.25%.

What we do know are the ancient historic gods, particularly from culutures that wrote in stone (Greece, Egypt, Assyriah) or Clay (Babylon, Summeria). So if you want to go ancient this limits you to a small corner of the world. There are other cultures from which we know a little bit Norse/Keltic/Germanic, Chinese/Japanese, Aboriginal, Native American, but all this stuff is much younger. The sources that we have are typically 1000 years old, so technically medieval rather then ancient.

So let me stick to the really ancient stuff that happened somewhere areound the Mediteranean and the Red Sea. In these region we have a strong transition between the copper age and the broze age that happened almost accidentally (this is another super fascinating story). Copper age civilizations were not able to sustain large empires; They were city states, and this was also reflected in religion, each city would have there own god or gods. In the Bronze age we get large empires which all come with their state religions, so this is the first time that alot of people believe in the same thing.

Now if we focus on the early Bronze age the first question is are you monotheistic or polytheistic. Interestingly we know much less of the religions that believed in one god, compared to those who believed in many gods. This is partly because there is a tendency for monotheistic religions to eradicate each other. I guess, if you beleive in many gods anyway, it is easier to accept that others beleive in some more.

So on the monotheistic side we have mainly that guy called Jaweh, who you might know as 'God'. He started out as a high-priest in Ur, so he was actually priest to another god, which survived in the form of the 'Holy Spirit'. If you want to piss people off it is good to remember that there is more historical evidence for Jaweh than for Jesus (it's debatable, but the debate is winnable).

Polytheistic religions are more fun, there seems to be widespread belief that humanity started with polytheistic religions. The polytheistic gods start out half as explanations for natural phenomena (who made these islands, why does the sun rise, where does the lightning come from) and half as historical people whose tales have grown out of proportion. So all of these gods are people or animals and they typically fill archetypical roles of ancient societies (hunter, mother, thief, ruler are recurring topics.)

For specific examples: You probably know the Graeco-Roman gods, the romans basically copied from the Greeks and gave them their own names, for example Mars and Ares are the same and so are Minerva and Athene. Interestingly the ancient Greeks are aware that there religion replaced an older religion "the Titans" which is perhaps the oldest religion we know off. The other large empires of the region are Egypt, which you probably also know, and Assyria/Babylon, which again have many parallels.

Personally, I would go for Assyria, as there is quite a lot of primary information, and it hasn't been covered in stories nearly as much as the other options.

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Oh wow, thanks for all this! I'll look into Assyria first then.

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This is such a retarded and wrong take on the BIble that it's not worth really talking about. 

OP, read Walter Burkert's Greek Religion and John Day's Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan for some actual scholarship about antique paganism. God help me. 

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Although now that I know the actual prompt he should probably just read Shadow Over Innsmouth, the Gods and Goddesses one I forgot I got from you originally but it's a solid recommendation. I'll try to take a look at the Greek one sometime soon too.

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Jesus Christ you are so fucking retarded.

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Thank you :)

Well, I hope I haven't seriously offended anyone. Otherwise my apologies.

Honestly, I tried to properly read up on this history at some point, but 40 papers or so in I gave up because the field is so poisoned by exterior interests that its pretty pointless.

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Commended by Mizal on 1/10/2026 1:26:55 AM

Ok some thoughts:

This is very wrongheaded and bizarre, and leads me to believe you either read a lot of information faster than you could understand it or made shit up to fill in the gaps of what you didn't know. Or you might have read some gormless AI search result to do both of those for you, who knows at this point. Now, I don't know a lot, but I know just enough about this to know your shit's ALL fucked up. Like, holy shit man. It's so intellectually annoying that I kind of couldn't think of anything else outside of writing this post, I have to untangle this. I have a problem. 

For one, we don't have the Iliad because it was all written down in stone somewhere like the fuckin' Xi'an Stele, we have it because people made several, several copies of it (on papyrus, mind you) and some of those made it to the modern era. Writing on stone is expensive as hell in terms of time and resources, it limited the information you could write down to just the size of the flattest part of the stone, and it certainly didn't travel well. Clay tablets and cylinders did preserve a little better than papyrus generally, but we have more papyrus and other paper types because you can make more copies that will, by random chance, survive.

For another thing, the closest thing there is to a "default" stance in the bronze-age Mediterranean is a position called Henotheism, which acknowledges some level of reality for gods outside the general purview of the ones the individual worshipped. There are aspects of this still practiced today in the large web of Dharmic religions, where a lot of them only revere one or a few gods but acknowledge that others are possible and might be more valid for other people. I don't know what you mean by "there was a tendency for monotheist religions to wipe each other out" as if it's some sociological/doctrinal thing, but that's, like...

Okay, I realize there's so many blatant fuckeries here with the mechanics of how these things played out, that I've actually started in the wrong place to begin to explain them. Like, enough that it feels like I'm reading a historical account by somebody whose main interaction with historical content was Civ 6,and I've started out my explanation by saying that the colonization of India did not happen because Catherine De Medici and Elizabeth I declared war on Gandhi. Like, that's true, but it isn't addressing the underlying problems here which is bad if you want to establish an understanding not of that individual event but of the systems that brought it about in general. And that's what this kid is after, learning about the ancient gods, all of them.

Religion is generally theorized to have started out not as polytheism, but a much broader umbrella of practices called "shamanism", but this is kind of a loaded term that has a lot of scholarly debate around it due to the way it's been used historically by religions with centralized political authority to kind of root out and imperialize religions that don't. There are many diverse practices that fall under shamanism but for the purposes of creating a narrative to understand how one thing might become what we're currently talking about, there is less of a hierarchical understanding of capital g gods in the sense of immortal creators or embodiments of things, and more of an interest in "animism", or, the anthropomorphic assignment of personhood, will, and intent to natural forces. Fire is an easy one for modern people to understand because so much poetry and fantasy writing still treats fire like this. But there's also, like, other belief systems and practices that have some commonalities-- Ancestor spirits, spirits belonging to places and inanimate objects, belief in a sort of personal system of magic that can be practiced to ward off misfortunes or bring about  good things. This isn't a cut and dry category, not all religions that are called Shamanism have this, and, you will find, studying the practices of polytheist and even monotheist religions that follow after, they are not devoid of these things either. (In fact it could be argued that in actual practice, norse pagans were closer to practitioners of "shamanism" as previously described than they were to "polytheism" in the sense that ancient greeks practiced it. But it's all gray areas here because scholarly language is meant to describe, not prescribe, what a thing is, and every individual believer is different, let alone the way every belief system can function in practice.)  But this is an illustrative model you you can kind of see, in an iterative system of storytelling and ecosystem of diverse beliefs, how these might spread and change into other things over time.

Ancient Egypt is a good example of this, in a sense, because the religion and its practices feature a lot of these precursor beliefs, namely a kind of animism, everything having its own spirit, personal magic woven into everyday life, and sometimes appeasing ancestors or petitioning them for help. Ancient Egyptian religion was highly syncretic, and had a niche god for just about everything. The world of physics itself was, in fact, a system of gods who made everything work, in the mind of an ancient Egyptian. A lot is made about Anubis's role as a psychopomp and a tomb guardian, because to the modern mind making him a kind of Ancient Egyptian Grim Reaper is more evocative and gives him a kind of wider-reaching role, but it should be emphasized that he was also the god of the mummification process itself, and back then, that was considered equally if not more significant. The steps of mummification were not understood as merely a sequence of chemical reactions (Or, I guess they kind of were, the roots of what we consider to be alchemy pretty much started in Egypt, but I don't want to be here literally all day so let's move on from that) but like, as something that happens because you are working with Anubis. He is the process, it isn't sodium chloride drawing h2o molecules out of the body, they didn't have microscopes or a table of elements. A lot of the gods of nature, civilization, and individual households were like this, but then you get into the idea of the major, "head gods", and you get something more akin to what other civilizations were primarily doing, which was the state religion.

I'm going to be EXTREMELY broad here to save myself hours of describing edge cases and compare-contrast here and say, if you want to get a lot of things wrong but still be mostly right, the "meta", by and large, for bronze age citystate-style civilizations, was this: You would have a god, a big god, usually related to objects in the sky or the weather, and he would represent your area, your place where you lived. They didn't have an idea of a nation as this secular intellectual idea, you were a person from Ur, who belonged to the city, if you worshipped Nanna-Suen, the Moon, and participated in his rites and holidays, which were major economic and social events for the city. That's like, a large part of what made the system work. And furthermore, that god would also typically have a spouse and children to denote not only relationships (usually of subordination or inter-reliance) between other cities or important industries and resources, but also so that that divine bloodline could be traced down to a human who would be the king or queen of that place and exercise authority over it by divine right.

So with that understood, now we're finally ready to actually address that point you made. In most cases, if a person venerated only one god, it was most likely either the god of their tribe or citystate that they would have been socially if not legally obligated to worship. If that person's culture was destroyed, moved to a different place, or otherwise just changed in a significant enough way, that god would also most likely change. But it wouldn't always simply be lost. Very often it was a propaganda victory for the oppressor if they could make the god of another place subordinate to theirs, or indicate that for some reason the god of another region was angry at its people. It also need not strictly be negative, it could be the result of an alliance or large shared influence. Sometimes they change names to reflect a shift in language, sometimes they combine with other gods when two cultures notice similarities between them. The history of mythology is full of stories where the characters are different between different areas. If you've been on the internet long enough, you're probably aware of many cultures having a "flood myth", and only in one case is this attributed to the god of Abraham.

Like, most of us probably don't imagine Artemis, goddess of the hunt and single ladies, as the patron deity of Ephesus. But she was, and the fact that people came to her for all kinds of things, not just stuff strictly related to hunting or archery, that led to a lot of people coming from all over Greece to her temple in Ephesus, which was one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world and gave the place a ton of money and clout in the Hellenistic world. In a lot of cases where individual cults or religious practitioners who revered one god above all the others didn't make it through history, their god would survive as an addition to part of the rest of mythology. And that's the part we actually don't know. Because we don't know if that's actually the case with Artemis, only that she's very different in Ephesus than she is in other parts of Greece that recognized the Olympians, and she's the primary goddess of that place. We don't know if they started as "monotheist" (at least, to the extent that monotheism was ever officially practiced in that time). The origins of the gods are not recorded, we do not have the first drafts of the myths, we only know the earliest things that were written down AND survived, and we never exactly got to see and record the differences in every cult of the gods who ever practiced.

Speaking of the Greek Gods, that aforementioned state deity thing where the lineage of royalty to the gods is their justification for rule, is sort of what the Greco-Roman gods were doing. It's also a big part of why they're famously so incestuous, because back in the day when the ancient Greek gods actually were supplanting (or, more likely, co-mingling, but we're getting into that) with other religions and individual practices, it was cool to add them to your family tree by making them the ancestors of your local heroes and then being descended from those heroes, who are very often kings and queens and other royalty themselves. And at that point you're drawing from a pool of 12, maybe 20 gods, and you pick the ones that might make symbolic sense, but nobody wants to think they're only following the king who's descended from a chump god who's lower on the totem pole, so naturally Zeus or Poseidon have to be involved at least at some point in the arrangement, but also those guys are close blood relatives to all those people too. But that's merely a funny side note, I forgot why I needed to delve further into the Greek gods here, let me read the post again.

Oh, right, Yahweh. Goddamn, the thing that bothered me from the start. I spent a long time googling trying to find where you even found this claim and even the sketchy websites weren't turning up anything. It's actually batshit insane. For entertainment's sake alone I would actually like to hear what deranged source you have on this shit, or at least hear the debates you managed to win making this point, because that isn't even the most atheistic  interpretation of current scholarly consensus. This doesn't even stand up to very basic scrutiny because the trinitarian idea of the Holy Spirit as an agential being in itself is a heavily Christian, trinitarian interpretation, and the Jewish concept of the Holy Spirit is something entirely different, and it's used as a term to denote the force of god causing things to happen, more akin to saying "Hoganly Resilience" if you were describing the supernatural durability of Hulk Hogan. ('Twas the Hoganly Resilience that moved the Super Twin to no-sell the Tombstone at WrestleMania, not the weird ego problems of a dude who was going to WCW next year anyway) the idea that it could be a semi-separate entity in itself is an interpretation put upon the text, it is not explicitly treated this way in the bible. There is no surviving evidence that this "Holy Spirit" is the fossilized remnant of a pagan god that's fallen out of popularity-- And we know this, because the bible has fossilized remnants of pagan gods that have fallen out of popularity, and we know what to look for.

The historical and archeological evidence we have, would suggest that Yahweh was a god of storms and river flooding, who came to represent an individual tribe that became part of the Israelite cultural complex. If I'm really stretching what I think you might have misread or been trying to say to its absolute limit, there was a point where, when Israel was part of the Canaanite sphere of influence, Yahweh the storm/war god was viewed as subordinate to El, a kind of elder/king figure in Canaanite mythology, but over time they seemed to merge into one identity due to perceived shared features between them, and convenience of treatment. As previously mentioned, this isn't an unusual thing to happen over time in this religious landscape, look up statues of Hermanubis if you'd like to see a particularly interesting example of this. The idea of Yahweh actually goes through several very interesting transcendances like this over the course of the bible as Israel's situation changes.

It's a very long book and I don't remember everything exactly in order, I'm just going in order of what makes this easy to explain, but the bible begins to implement a number of rejections of the ways other primary deities functioned in response to things the Israelites were dealing with at the time. Much of the very early bible is Henotheistic, and the earliest statements about God having no other are less about the rejection of the existence of other gods, and more, like... Well, for one thing, he's supposed to be the head god, in charge of Israel, and revered by Israelites above all others. But the other thing is actually quite interesting-- God has no wife. You might think that sounds weird, like, of course, if you're a monotheist your god probably doesn't have a wife. But the thing is, if you were the kind of guy that only went to efforts to revere one of your gods, your state god, even then you'd probably acknowledge that your civic god had a wife, because how else would he have descendants? And if your god didn't have descendants, where did your king come from? This is why the bible has rules against "Making an Asherah", and all manner of other idols associated with this sort of deal. Like, it was considered normative practice at this time to assume that your god, even if you only cared about the one, had some kind of family unit, but the God of Abraham was and is, I daresay, something queerer, operating outside the bounds of human reproduction. 

The royal line of Israel is not that way because they were infallible superhumans literally descended from the MIGHTY SUN, who would all unilaterally belong on the throne no matter what, but because they were directly chosen by god, and we are all equally "children of god" in the sense that we are descendants of Adam and Eve, who he made. The religion of the Israelites would be shaken multiple times in their history in ways that would drive them in ways to further separate their idea of God from being, like, tied down to a specific place and a specific people the way other gods were. There are predecessors of this line of thought in previous points in Jewish history, and even in some neighboring mythologies, but because I don't know enough to feel confident talking about it I'll say this really crystallized when Rome destroyed the second temple, and economic circumstances (and a bit of slavery) wound up scattering the Jewish people all over the empire. Very suddenly, the holiness of God couldn't just be tied to a place, because that place was gone, and there were a lot of Jews who could not return there anyway. It couldn't be tied to a kingdom, because that kingdom was vassal to an empire that had just committed probably the biggest blasphemy that it was possible for a state to commit. This led to a fascinating period in theology called "apocalyptic Judaism" which I'm not even going to bother getting into here. Probably the most famous figure from this period was a guy they call Jesus-- Some of the conclusions that he and theologians after him came to about the nature of a singular monotheist god should be familiar to anyone reading this post. We gotta move on from this eventually though, and since this is a discussion about mythology I can literally say I've made the mistake of starting parts of my explanation at the fucking beginning of time. I need to be quicker about the next thing.

These next two things are wrong in a more abstract way, the first is just a common phrasing of things that annoys me, that the romans "copied" the gods which, like, I know few people ever actually say that genuinely, but it's still fairly annoying. The Romans simply had the same religious dialect as other dudes on the north coast of the Mediterranean. They believed in the 12 olympians-- Not that they all had thrones at the top of Mt Olympus, but that was not a universally held belief by everyone who believed in the gods we call the "Olympians" either. In fact, you'd be hard-pressed to find a kind of universally held belief between them! Because here's the thing about "polytheism", or really, how all religion worked in ancient times. It is, very distinctly, not Christianity!

There wasn't a pope, there wasn't an administrative oversight committee of highly educated book nerds all collaborating to make sure everyone has an agreed-upon set of stories and names that are all kept straight. In the age of citystates, you had temples and holy sites that were tended to by a priesthood, and those priests more or less were part of the nationstate of that city. They might have had hierarchy or done some oversight to keep the story straight within their own area, but the "rules" of that religion were handled, from a practical perspective, more or less at the civic level. If somebody declared themselves the Pope of Zeusism*, they might be able to get away with it, within their city, but it would be that city's Zeus. The cultural network around which these gods were recognized spanned a very wide region, across numerous cultures, languages, time periods, and styles of government. You might think it's funny that the gods of Rome are like the same guys with different names, I think it's funny that these different-named guys managed to be so similar!

The truth of the matter is, there is no singular "Zeus". A lot of cults in the Greco-Roman world had a guy like Zeus, and the religious concept of Zeus gradually developed as religious institutions in different citystates communicated, and other travelers recognized commonalities in the beliefs, stories, and practices of different places. But just like DC has Superman and Marvel has Wonderman, different interpretations of the same shit can wind up being really different! 

Like, take Mars and Ares for example, they're characterized very differently because they are meant to communicate different things, by two societies who valued different things. All the "Olympians", or "Dii Consentes" from the Roman perspective, have little differences between their Greek and Roman counterparts. Some stories fall out of favor or have details changed. But Mars and Ares are a good case study because they are the two most clearly different versions of one of the big 12, you can tell from their statues, you can tell from the shift in how people talk about them. They are practically different characters, though their domain and role in some of the stories is the same.

Ares in the stories that feature him is stubborn, bestial, brutal, barbaric, full of false bravado, and morally wretched. He is still a powerful archetype to be revered, but he is the kind of spirit of war that is useful to the soldier but not to the general, embodying the pure act of fighting other humans. This is treated as having a very limited place in Greek society. Often stories serve to humiliate Ares or highlight his repugnance in comparison to Athena, who represented a kind of civilized organizational view of war that was viewed as preferable. Mars could hardly be a more different depiction-- He is, to use a very anachronistic term here, chivalrous, and represents courage as well as a sort of idealized conduct. Roman society placed great value on the concept of a virtue they called "Virtus" (look it up, I've been at this too long as it is.) which was heavily associated with the conduct expected of ideal military men, and while Virtus was literally embodied by a goddess named after the concept, Mars was meant to possess virtus in spades. Men in Rome were expected to acquire virtus by going to war, and nobody has been in more war than Mars! That would maybe have sent a weird message if they went with the other interpretation.

Anyway, the other point, and the point on the polytheism end of things that strikes me as the most obnoxiously ignorant, was the "The Ancient Greeks were aware their religion replaced an older religion, 'The Titans', which were perhaps the oldest religion we know of". Now, if you've been reading along here hopefully you've had enough concepts established about how the Greco-Roman Religious Complex "worked" that you can already see how shaky the ground is for this statement. 

But let me be very clear, "The Titans" do not comprise the oldest religion we know of. For one thing, if the bar is as low as "we know of it", then anything we have names and written stories for is probably not on the first page of the oldest religions we know, because then we're competing with the likes of stonehenge and paleolithic Shaktiism. For another, there is no singular start date for just about anything in the Greek Myths**. Individual gods may be way older or way younger, we don't know exactly where a lot of these things came from, we merely record when they appear in data that survives. They are also, for most intents and purposes, the same religion as the rest of the Greek Gods. Athens had a temple to Cronos, he was considered as valid a deity for reverence as any other, and was worshipped at the same time as the other Greek Gods. The Titans and The Olympians are the same species of being, the difference is more like a generational social class-- There was a time when Cronus's generation of gods ruled the heavens, and now Zeus's does. That's the difference. If you want to get especially trippy, it's possible that the concept of the current holy family having overthrown a previous generation of gods goes back before the Greeks, but rather to the Hittites, and became a shared/adapted story in Greece. If indeed new gods replaced any old ones, it was somebody else entirely. Much like in the Bible, there is Greek mythological evidence, which, paired with archeological evidence, can be used to deduce the case where the Olympian cults actually did gradually replace an older religion, and it is not the Titans. An example of this would actually be the story of the Minotaur, which would seem to contain references to an ancient bull cult which we know existed in Crete before they started worshipping gods more familiar to the rest of the Grecosphere-- But also establishes that the royal family of Minos are descended from multiple Olympians, who got involved with multiple generations of King Minos' family. (Yuck!)

*This is a stupid thing for a person to do, for a number of reasons, because that game was locked down tight by dangerous people. Folks who were going into business for themselves, religiously speaking, tended to form cults for local heroes or city patron deities where their influence wasn't entangled with the voices of everyone else in the greco-roman world who would certainly have an opinion on it. Though if you were more philosophically inclined, you could yourself become a kind of guru-- I also don't want to take too long here at this point because the post isn't even done and I'm writing ADHD footnotes, but if you would like to go down a funny rabbithole, let it be known: that all that triangle shit? Absolutely the least interesting thing about Pythagoras. If you're still in school be sure to read up on the guy and let your math teacher know what a psycho that guy was.

**Unless, of course, we have reason to believe one of the stories or interpretations of these stories which went on to become very popular was original content written by a guy in the form of a play or a parable or whathaveyou.

I don't know how to end this, I refuted what I wanted to refute, said more than I wanted to say, and now it's midnight. Fuck you. Fuck off. Go home. I'm sleeping. If you've ever heard it said in a sunday school class or history class or whathaveyou, that before Christianity, Rome generally didn't care what you believed as long as you paid taxes? This is why. All this shit. And of course this comes with the standard disclaimer that this has all been rattled off the top of my head out of spite, so UD please make sure you actually read things written by real people with real labcoats. Don't listen to me, but ESPECIALLY DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GORMLESS FREAK.

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Yeah, I had intended to address the Titan thing just to say that just because they were placed chronologically further back in the story of the Olympians, it didn't necessarily mean they were an actual distinct set of different gods from a different religion "replaced". I don't think there'd be a reason to put them as these important figures in the divine lineage instead of making the Olympians themselves the children of the earth and sky totally apart from them for one thing. And the references to Cronus date back to Homer and Hesiod the same as for many others. Take ALL of this with a grain of salt of course because it's not like I have a degree in this stuff, but it was likely after the stories of the Olympians solidified more (keep in mind that Homer was the first we know of to actually like, descriptively characterize them, we don't even know how far back that went in popular culture) that the need to fill in all their backstory lore to the beginning of time came in. Cronus is a pretty complex figure as the god of seasons and the destructive force of time, he's as important in his aspects that explain his niche of reality as the others. It's not like one day the Greeks went yeah we don't want to acknowledge the entropy that devours childhood anymore, let's replace him with horny lightning guy. (And in particular why would you say the main god of a religion you're replacing ruled humanity in an Edenic golden age, kind of underlines the shortcomings of the new one...) But Sent undoubtedly covered that in his Thunderdome sized post somewhere.

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Apologies again, after the other discussion how tolerant this site is to everything including Nazis, I thought it would be a fun to see how people react to the Yahweh hypothesis, which is typically one that people take badly. I wouldn't have thought that it blows up quite so much, aehm sorry.

On a different note, it's pretty cool that people here care about these things, and thanks sent for the long post. I don't want to reply to everything because it will only result in pointless discussions. But I here are three things:

Hard vs. Soft media: This is a thing. We have tons of papyrus, we have the Dead Sea Scrolls etc. but vast volume of these soft media is comparatively young. Still there are some soft media from the Bronze age. The oldest is the Diary of Merer with is about 4500 years old, then there is the Cairo leather roll which is about 4400 years old. The surviving "old" Papyri are all younger about ~3500 years (Prisse Papyrus, Rhind Mathematical Papyrus, Edwin Smith Payprus, Ebers Papyrus, Westcar Papyrus, Moscow Math Papyrus), but this is not much compared to say the Hittite clay tablets that we have from this time. In the Hittite civilization wooden books probably outnumbered the clay tablets, but we still have ~30.000 clay tablets and zero wooden books. In summary, regarding textual sources from the Bronze age and earlier periods hard-media sources vastly outnumber soft-media sources.

Regarding the titans we are pretty sure what happened. Here is the detailed version of the story. In ancient Greece (which wasn't even really ancient Greece yet, as we are talking before the Cleisthenic reforms) the titans are an example of "Old Gods", what historians would call "Former Gods". They were not the gods that the people who lived in the geographical area of modern Greece had worshipped before. Instead they were a myth that these people had copied---the idea that there were other gods before the gods.

The Greeks get this idea from the Hittites (a Bronze Age superpower from modern Turkey). We know this because there is a one-to-one correspondence between the Greek titans and the "former gods" of the Hittites [1,2]. But even the theogony of these former gods even further. The hittite former gods (Karuilies Siunes) were not previously worshipped by the Hittites instead they seem to have merged two other beliefs of former gods. The main influence seem to be Hurrian civilization who had their own former gods. Again there is a strong structural correspondence between the Hurrian "Old Kings" and the Greek Titans [3]. But the Hurrians didn't invent the old gods either. They merged previous ideas including Sumerian, Akkadian, and even Vedic influences [4].

So the idea of the "old gods" was super popular in the ancient world (Lovecraft did get this stuff from somewhere after all). Moreover there are large structural similarities. Almost everybody seems to agree that there are 12 of them, that you worship them by dropping offerings into pits. There are structural similarities between their stories and linguistics anlogies between their names. So there is pleanty of evidence that this is not parallel evolution, but likely stems from a single source. The most likely OP are the Sumerians, who had a previous religion that got replaced (though less violently). These previous gods are of Sumer (The Enmesharra or Anunaki). Hence my statement that the Titans are basically a remembrance of the oldest gods we know about.

Shamanism: This term is still widely used in popular science, but it is essentially a collonial term, that is used to devalue indigineous religions [5]. It is probably better to avoid it.

[1] Güterbock, Hans Gustav. "The Hittite Version of the Hurrian Kumarbi Myths: Oriental Forerunners of Hesiod." American Journal of Archaeology 52.1 (1948): 123–139.

[2] Bachvarova, Mary R. "From 'Kingship in Heaven' to King Lists: Syro-Anatolian Courts and the History of the World." Journal of Ancient Near Eastern Religions 12.1 (2012): 97–118.

[3] Van Dongen, Erik. "The 'Kingship in Heaven'-Theme of the Hesiodic Theogony: Origin, Function, Composition." Greek, Roman, and Byzantine Studies, vol. 51 (2011): 181–201.

[4] Pengglase, Charles. "The Greek Gods and the Mesopotamian Religious Context." The Classical World, vol. 84, no. 5 (1991): 329–339.

[5] Sidky, H. (2010). "On the Antiquity of Shamanism and its Role in Human Religiosity." Method & Theory in the Study of Religion, 22(1), 68-92.

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Fascinating discussion, and I appreciate everything people are saying. I will point out that it’s hard to make definite statements for something there isn’t much concrete data for. For example, saying that, “the idea of the ‘old gods’ was super popular in the ancient world” is kind of a tricky statement. It’s possible, maybe even likely, but we don’t actually know that. History is more like a series of educated guesses than an exact “science”. You make a hypothesis, test it, and believe it if you cant disprove it. There is more “not disproving” than there is “proving” although normally a hypothesis is based on some evidence.

Stuff like this is going to be colored by everyone’s world view. That being said, I doubt the titans were the “first” gods. They were more like the “primal forces”. The gods ruled over a part of nature… the titans were that part of nature. Again, maybe you are right and this is a cool way to immortalize how they over threw the previous society and ruled over them… however, it’s entirely possible that they were made up as part of the same societies “religion”. Maybe they worshiped the sun and moon etc… but wanted to personify those forces, so they made more human gods.

Also, that’s a new bold take on Yahweh that I’ve never heard. It’s probably from a very different culture than mine (and most people here) if it is a real one. I have heard that “eastern gods” have a longer history and are very different than was “western cultures” give them credit for. A lot of history changes from culture to culture… dispute looking at the same evidence.

One thing that I’m convinced of, is that most religions of the same time period are largely the same. They use the scientific data and evidence available to draw conclusions and use religion to either fill in the gaps or explain the impossible. As an example, once we knew what the sun was all of the “sun gods” from mythology became… well mythology. The sun didn’t need to be a being anymore. It wasn’t some entity we couldn’t understand. Just a ball of gas.

Even today, there are unexplainable and amazing things we discover. Severe religions try to explain how this was setup. I’m personally a Christian, but I was shocked to learn how similar the Islamic faith was despite the fear and hatred that seem to go both ways… religion is a strange thing.

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Very good points.

The "Yahweh-hypothesis" --- The pop-culture reference is Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash." Stephenson uses this as a metaphor for dangerous knowledge that must be kept from the public. However, he did not invent this. It was a hypothesis that seriously debated during the first years of the twentieth century, before it was silenced for various reasons, which was likely the reason Stephenson was interested in it.

Most primary sources are in German. The best is perhaps this one:

Hugo Winckler – Himmels- und Weltenbild der Babylonier als Grundlage der Weltanschauung und Mythologie aller Völker (1903) (link)

Before people get this wrong: I don't endorse this book, but it contains summary of these ideas. It is great trolling material though, and this whole academic debate (Pan-Babylonism) is a nice Dan Brown-ish story with tomes of forbidden knowledge uncovered in libraries etc.

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I'm not really certain I know what you mean by "largely the same". I think unless you draw an extremely wide umbrella and flatten a lot of things down to ignore the contradictions, you would be hard-pressed to find a strong consensus between the world religions of the same time period other than a kind of vague general belief in anthropomorphic will assigned to natural forces, and similar historical and social issues that effected different populations of that time, that some of these religious teachings may have had similar reactions to. Even the individual philosophers whose names we know, stand in different places regarding the relative existence of the gods, or a god, and the roles they play in our human lives. Stoicism and Aristotelianism, for examples off the top of my head, took on religious traits after people at large began adopting beliefs from their writings, and they come with a lot of mutually exclusive ideas about physics and the way the physical world works that couldn't really be tested by science at the time.

The fact that most of the sun gods have "become mythology" in the minds of most people today has a lot more to do with everyone who worshipped most of them being dead than it does with us simply knowing what the sun is. There were non-supernatural explanations for the sun even when the sun was being worshipped as a god! Granted, a lot of them were scientifically wrong, but a person even at the time could believe both things. Sol Invictus was a Roman sun cult that was popular well near the time of Christ. And like... A very easy way to tell why this isn't true, is like... Cecilia Payne-Gaposchkin is not a household name for discovering the physical makeup of the sun and proving that it's just a self-sustaining radioactive hydrogen explosion floating around in space. This discovery didn't suddenly kill a bunch of sun gods, it was a discovery made in the 1930s. By that point, everybody who didn't worship the sun already didn't, for completely other reasons. It already was not significant to them that way. And the sun gods and goddesses in India and Japan? Nothing really happened to them. There are people who still worship them, and though their religion may have declined in significance I think that has a lot more to do with global socioeconomic pressures than simply discovering that aspects of the stories are not literally true. Like, the Greek Gods had a pretty long run. You think in 4,000 years nobody climbed Mount Olympus even once and saw nothing was up there? Or even, like, looked at Mount Olympus, and saw that there was no sign of life at the top, like a light or smoke from a brazier or literally anything? Hell, have you actually seen Mount Olympus? It's like somebody half-buried a giant pringles chip on its side. Do you think they noticed that a big palace where 12 giants sat in a big circle might be tricky to balance? Or, maybe their relationship to their religion was not so expressly physical, and if somebody climbing Mount Olympus actually believed the gods were seated there, a literal circle of giant motherfuckers on golden thrones was not what they actually, literally expected to see at the top.

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17 days ago
Dude, please, then how do you explain this photograph?

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This happens commonly all over Italy and Greece, actually. When the sea air carries all the olive oil fumes toward the mountain, it gets caught there and sort of just starts to look like a Renaissance painting of people sitting on clouds.

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Glad somebody finally figured out the science behind that to bring an end to the Greek religion.

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I'm not claiming to be a historian or expert on every religion... and I think Mizal kinda summed up what I meant. However, to be direct, I was using a wide umbrella to talk about a lot of faiths at once. Not everything is because of scientific fact chaging I guess, so you can call that a mistakeif tahts how I phrased it. Things changed around the world at certain points for various reasons as you state. So if all the sun gods died out because of global socioeconomic pressure on families to not worship the sun, then I stand corrected but my point still stands.

I'm trying to say that in broad time peroids, religion seems to fill the same roll in peoples lives and have similar core values. I know this isn't perfect... and falls apart further if you include cults and more minor/extreme sects of any religion... but what I have discovered is that a lot of faiths basically teach the same things in different ways. This is particularly true for most major religions today that I'm familiar with.

Perhaps the fall of greek and roman religions was climbing Mt. Olympus... but I'm not sure many ancient greeks climbed up there to check. Maybe I'm stupid, but it seems like it would be a difficult thing to do back then with very limited resources and technology designed for liesure activities... Also, can you imagine trying to be the one guy who climbed the mountain and had to convince everyone Zues was not up there? Seems possible, but I don't have the energy to do a dissertaion on that with linked proof and everything.

I'm willing to be wrong, but I'm amazed at how much hatred there is between several groups that all hold non violence as one of its core principles.

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The Olympian religion was never especially organized, Rome becoming the dominant power and then their emperor converting and enforcing Christianity as the state religion was basically what did it in. (Constantine the Great arguably was not that great a Christian and imperialism is not a great fit for Christianity, but can't say the combo wasn't effective.)

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Islam comes from the same source as Christianity and Judaism, yeah, so afaik they've got the Old Testament stories that are almost identical, and they even believe in Jesus's performance of miracles and raising of the dead and being raised. The contentious point on Jesus is of course whether he was created or eternally existed as part of the Trinity, but there have been sects of Christians who believed differing things on that too (and tbf it's not necessarily the clearest thing in the text too when you have Jesus actually praying to God as though to a separate being). That was a large part of why the Nicene Creed came about to officially define the faith on those points anyway. Whateve the differences I always do feel like it's pretty significant that half the planet recognizes the same God and has been for a very long time...if you happen to believe in an actual evil force out there trying to sow strife and deceive people, then it seems like they've done a pretty good job creating this level of hate and infighting among people who have the same core beliefs. It's been interesting discussing Hinduism with RK a bit too, because even they have sort of a notion of a trinity with their major gods containing a Creator, a sustainer and nurturer of life, and then a destroyer, all representing different facets of the universal god that's in everything. Hinduism since it doesn't have a unifying scripture or organization and has evolved organically without any top down pressure for so long is probably the closest significan still practiced thing to ancient paganism (disclaimer: I know fuck all about Hinduism and obviously other people could go way more into this). A pretty notable thing there though is how different the details can be by culture or region or even just family to family even with it all being under the same pretty recognizeable umbrella...but then of course you saw the same thing with Biblical Hebrews too, and they HAD unifying laws spelled out for them that they spent thousands of years of their recorded history not really doing at all in specifically that way. (Lots of examples of cultural variance across the years in Judges, a lot of details in Samson's story come to mind.) Anyway, I don't have any cohesive conclusion to all of this, I'm just rambling to avoid my storygame.

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Just a list of fun fact I learned about the Islamic faith:

-They don't believe in the old testiment.
-They believe Jeusus was a prophet of miracles but not a god
-They sort of see them selves as the uncorrupted version of what Christanity/Judiasm was supposed to be. Sort of like a realligment back to the origional source.
-They are very particular about their religious text, which was (supposedly) made once and never changed or translated ever
-Ironically, the orgional holy text, or "Quran" was lost and two origional coppies survived--one for each son of Muhammed.
-They are very proud that this test (according to those I know who are Muslim) is an origional copy and not far removed from the origional compared to other religions
-The Quran stories they believe are basically the same as the Bible/Torah but told from a different prespective... so usually the stories have different teachings than judiasm despite claiming the same events happened.

I found this all interesting so I was just saying it all.

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17 days ago
Just locking this post to be an asshole so you can't fix any of the typos basically.

I probably should learn more about Islam but I have been very specifically trying to avoid multitab Wikipedia rabbitholes for awhile now.

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Sure, I’ll stand by it. Half of it could be wrong. Most of it is from a Muslim friend I was able to talk to frankly about their religion. If someone is terribly offended, that’s my bad.

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Luckily we've had so many middle schoolers around, I no longer get too offended by typos. Some of these were funny and did make you look a little drunk though.

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Oh, the typos were what you were locking in… yeah. I’m not feeling great and was basically drunk. My bad!

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Wait- I thought my spelling was pretty good? Is it one of the more complex words? ><

Oh shoot you probably mean other middle schoolers...

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18 days ago
Might be worth mentioning that Malk has a degree in the ancient middle east and is studying world religions now, you're probably just lucky he didn't have time to tag team you with Sent.

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It would've been a pretty queer kind of double tap if you get what I'm saying.

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Yep, absolutely, and I kind of got that Malk and Sent know what they are talking about. It was more that UD asked for pointers and thought I share some pointers to things I thought are interesting.

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Oh, what use it is to UD is irrelevant, we're in Battle of the Autists mode now.

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Oh sorry, I forgot :)

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18 days ago
You better be, YOU GORMLESS FREAK.

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Even if none of it is useful for my storygame, it's still useful for me in the sense that I get both a free history lesson and free entertainment (from both the arguments and the crazy things that people thought their gods did). Hell, we even have popcorn left over from an event yesterday that I've been eating while reading these posts! So please, do continue supplying me with knowledge and entertainment!

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This was an outstanding post worthy of commendation. But I'm not gonna lie... the one thing I'm going to remember from all this is that Yahweh doesn't have a wife because he's apparently queer. You damn near made me drench my monitor in coffee with that one.

RE:Pythagoras. Just to be fair, "all that triangle shit" goes way beyond triangles in math and physics. It's freaking everywhere in mathy stuff, things that are quite removed from triangles. You might even say that triangles are only the tip of the... triangle.

Behold, Pythagoras in its Final Form.

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Queer here means strange or odd… I assume. However, I agree that this was hilarious in the moment.

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I know, but there is no way the word wasn't used deliberately, especially considering mere sentences before he was talking about gods with wives, and how particular it was that the God of Abraham doesn't have one.

Joking aside, even if you don't believe in any god or gods, this particular god, IMHO, was probably a necessary foundation for modern Western society. Not to be all pseudo-historian/archeologist (talking way outside my lane), but I feel like without Yahweh, you don't get the more abstract version of him found in early Christianity (where everything is centered on "spiritual law" rather than tedious prescriptions about how to run a society, like you have in Islam), and without that, maybe 1500 or so years later you don't have the Protestant Reformation, and that probably helped set the cultural, intellectual, and institutional conditions necessary to produce the Enlightenment, which in turn is the foundation of modern Western society as far as I can tell.

Again, I acknowledge I'm speaking way outside my lane, but it seems like that to me. So, in this case Yahweh would be the key to modern Western civilization in a weird, convoluted way.

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I'm getting confused though, when will someone explain the part where all religion evolves into Star Wars, the LOTR movies, and cartoon ponies?

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That’s irrelevant… George Lucas killed the old gods as a sacrifice to make Star Wars… that was a long long time ago, though, in a galaxy far far away.

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Some would even say that Star Wars itself died the day Jar Jar Binks opened his floppy, fugly mouth.

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Forgot you were blessed enough to miss the Fluttershy saga. Basically around this time last year a very prolific author of mediocre fanfic known for (as you might guess from the name) being a shameless brony went full schizoid on us and received many grand and elaborate relevations about the dangers of "acoustic" versus written communication and the Greek gods being demons. This was all explained via a 30k word storygame he wrote in a week which he presented as being the most significant thing ever written to upend all previous ideas of science, religion, and philosophy...basically a linear text dump about being whisked away by Merlin to be given all his conclusions in dense bullet point lists, with the grand conclusion that "the last stand of Christianity" was My Little Pony, Star Wars (the prequels and originals only), the Lord of the Rings movies. Not the books of course, the fucking movies. But anyway then a little later he deleted it along with half a million words of unrelated fanfic to protect it from being read by Satan, aka Malk.

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It's kind of funny because fluttershy was one of the reasons I started reading more about other religions. (I had always been interested in Native American religions before that but otherwise only looked at the Bible and didn't know too much about the classic cultures or modern ones). And Blister was the reason I wanted to try and write about them. fluttershy's thread though convinced that if I was going to stay a Christian I at least needed to make sure I never looked that fucking stupid and afraid of everything.

(I think Sikhism is very cool now actually, it combines monotheism with modern ideas about equality and I think will go much further removing some people's misgivings about God being tied to older and uglier cultural ideas... once they stop teaching that men can't cut their hair and have to wear turbans lol.)

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So would you say that Sikhism's gonna be sick, bro?

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I intended it a little bit both ways. Rejecting the typical narrative of the state deity as the literal, sexual progenitor of the royal family, while not 100% unique in mythologies of the area, was a tacit removal of the expected traditional divine masculine role in near east mythology, and it served a social purpose in the way that belief applied to human practice. I'm not gonna go about hallucinating bits of the text that imply something I will read as queer here, but it is, absolutely, nonstandard sexual practice for the gods of the Near East-- It was in fact a nonstandard sexual practice for mortals at that time. To this day a lot of Jewish sects hold marriage to be a duty, and if you didn't do it back then, you would have been capital Q Queer by their measurement, and faced legal and social consequences. I wouldn't call it revolutionary because, in the end, it served primarily to reify certain teachings about the exact nature of God. But in the understanding of the gods of the ancient world as knowable personalities, this is a queer trait, and serves to elevate the evolving idea of God above what was considered essential human behavior.

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"Both ways," huh? XD

But yeah, definitely a state-of-the-art god for the time (or some might argue, evidence that it's the only real one).

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I thought the part about the wive of god was a (very insightful) reference to the book by William Denver, which is a modern archaeological source for the Asherah-Yahweh link.

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After a somewhat thorough skim through this, I can already tell this is going to be helpful. I will be reading through it all at a later date, btw; Thanks for the information, and I'll make sure not to trust anyone unless they have a lab coat on.

Sadly, you seem to be wearing a jacket, not a lab coat, so I can not trust you either. As such, this entire thing is rendered moot, and thus all information given in this is clearly false.

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When you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.

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When you see someone in that jacket and those shades you should come with them if you want to live, man they really teach you kids nothing important these days huh.

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Finally managed to read through it all. It was quite an interesting read, and I'm glad to see that people care this much about what they are interested in. Sadly, most of it is irrelevant to my storygame, but it's still a good impromptu history lesson.

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holy crap this thread blew up, I'll have to read this all more closely later.

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Y'know I hate to directly influence creativity here, but when I said "old gods" I was thinking more along the lines of unspeakable abominations from the outer reaches of reality.

But yeah sure I suppose the old pagan ones work too.

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20 days ago
Oh he got that prompt? Lol. Kids are very literal minded, what can I say.

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Honestly I was hoping one of the more skilled vets take that one and just loaded it up with unnatural body horror and the nihilistic dread of the inevitable terrors from beyond as the protagonist suffers mind warping insanity while trying to survive.

But whatever.

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That's right UD, you're already a crushing disappointment before you even started so no pressure, the only way to go is up.

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20 days ago

     Well I mean proving himself worse at writing then we thought he was isn't exactly up, but I doubt that will happen anyway.

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20 days ago

Really? What if I were to ******* ******* with ****** ** **** to ******* * ***** ** and ****** **** *** ********?

(Edit: These are just random amounts of asterisks, don't bother trying to guess what it is uncensored.)

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20 days ago

0.0

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I mean it could have at least been the Edrazi.

But perhaps UD can make something as epic as these types of horrifying elder gods.

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20 days ago

Damn, that's a great card, despite it's obscene mana cost. Although I might have a deck that it could work in, lol.

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19 days ago
Yeah, it's pretty OP. Basically, half your library is gone in one turn basically. GG in two-three turns.

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Ehh, I thought of that, but I'm trying other things out first

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Claimed prompt 44, progress so far:

- Decided on title;
- Have the basic plot structure in my mind (across 15 chapters);
- Have the basic branching set out for Chapter 1;
- Got the 17 other characters listed by basic archetype (not many more details than that so far);
- Haven't written much exposition, but have written out roughly what needs to be shared on each page
- 55 pages so far (just in Chapter 1)

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20 days ago

There's a discussion thread for this contest that's better for sharing your progress.

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20 days ago

That is this thread

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Oh shoot I'm dumb ><

I'm catching up on all the posts I missed and keep getting threads mixed up :P

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It's okay, I do the same thing sometimes, lol. Makes it worse when someone changes the name of a post to something completely unrelated, and I have two different names for notifications from the same thread.

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I know!

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Now 58 pages and up to branch 8 of Chapter 1. Will likely start rounding up the chapter with the next 3-4 choices so that the story isn't over 3000 pages lol

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20 days ago

Slightly unrelated, but when you look at forum posts, are some of them indented (i.e., in threaded view)?

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20 days ago

That sounds like an ambitious project. Out of curiosity, how many words are you planning for your story to be?

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Not sure yet, some of the pages will be a bit repetitive due to the nature of my story but there'll definitely be some longer pages for interactions between the characters or when a major event happens.

I fell off with the writing the last couple of days so I'll get back to planning out a bit more of the story before bed. If I can get Chapter 1 all set out with all the different choices and their consequences that will be great :)

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Branching for Chapter 1 all done now.

One challenge I've faced is how to incorporate some different directions in the story without the story getting too long to realistically complete. (for instance, two directions where one of two different characters die in chapter 1 would lead to different branches for the rest of the story based on who is still around).

So my plan is to have each chapter play out where either that character will die (or you die if you make some bad choices). And then when the basic branching is all done for each chapter, then I can work with the variables potentially so that you get different choices (or results for your choices) depending on what your relationships are like with different characters.

That's where my head is at for now, I'm glad I have 3 months to write this story as I'm definitely going to need it for not just the writing and editing but also making all the scripting work.

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That's definitely ambitious, I would wait before trying scripting but you do you.

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17 days ago
What you're probably looking for is the $DEST system variable. Set a variable for each person that can die, and then later if you want that choice to split the story off on a different path just put in the link script something like:

IF %FRIEND1 = 1
$DEST := @P67

Assuming a 1/0 toggle on whether that character is alive or dead, the game checks for that and overrides the link destination for a specific page number if it's true.

And look into how on page scripting works if you want to just change a line or two of dialogue in places without actually needing a whole separate page.


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     Is it possible to make multiple if statements to conclude one destination? Like even more possible pages depending on your relation with multiple other characters?

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I believe so, for now I feel like the best bet is to just have one basic branch fully set out (with different options that eventually lead to the same path, gauntlet-style). If I run out of time then it'll just be more of a linear story with not as much replayability, but if I can get the basic path done with plenty of time left then it gives me more time to add more branches that shift based on the variables (e.g. another character attacking you if your relationship goes below a certain level).

I'm also considering having a health-based system where certain choices will reduce your health but not committed to that yet

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17 days ago
Finishing a core storyline early on is a great plan for a contest entry as it guarantees that you at least don't SHAME yourself.

There is an article about a couple different ways to implement health systems that i highly recommend.

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17 days ago
You can use variable restrictions on the links on a page based on a variable setting, so those links only show up if a particular mix of character variables are equal to 1. Between that and the $DEST usage Mizal mentioned, you should be pretty covered for this kind of automated branching.

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Dang, already? You've gotten a lot done

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I fell off a lot in the last week, was recovering from some stressful stuff and also kinda just forgot about it tbh.

Back to it now though, up to the first big branching point in Chapter 2 in terms of structuring the story.

Good news is that I have my own space now so I can definitely lock in more with writing and the overall creative direction.

Struggling a little with developing characters, I had written some brief notes before but it was mostly just on how they approach the game rather than the finer details about them.

Will probably need some diagrams or something to keep track of all the relationships, for now though if I can get all the branching set out by the end of the month that will be nice so I can spend February and March fully focused on the actual writing and editing.

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Just found this and wanted to participate... it keeps me motivated.

I picked 19) A story involving a war between two galactic super powers fighting over planet Earth (Humans are the “primitives” caught in the middle).

I had an idea for a liner  story before that fits this theme semi well, so I'm adapting it and adding branches. Its something I don't usually write, but it will be a sci-fi with romance elements. Sci-fi is something I always thought I would be good at and romance is a genere I really like to include in stories but am terrible at writing.

The concept is going to be that there are two alien races and one human protagonist who will meet the first aliens to crash land on the planet. I'm thinking that you will pick a side and learn more about that one alien race while making decisions that form the entire races opinion of humans. The other race will progress without a positive human relationship and begin to try to enslave the planet. Then, you will either make all the aliens hate humans or befriend one race to fight the other with the humans.

I have a lot of lofty ideas, but I already have my core characters and setting. I came here today to start writing before getting distracted here, so I will get back on task... I do love talking about story concepts and bouncing ideas off people though so I'll be back!

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18 days ago
If you finish in time, maybe you should add a branch in which the protagonist betrays humanity and joins the alien scourge.

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This is a good idea! I’m not 100% where all of the branch’s will go or what I will have time for, but a dark branch would be fun.

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I feel like I’ve made good progress… and by that, I mean that I’ve started writing and it’s more than a week from the due date! It’s been awhile so my writing is coming slow and (probably) very simple. However, I’m just trying to get stuff down to worry about fixing the minor grammar stuff with editing.

I finished what is essentially the intro, and it already divides the game into two separate distinct branches with a choice near the beginning. As I move on to the next part, I’m trying to figure out how to plan this thing so that it has meaningful choices but does not branch to a scale I can not handle. My goal is to make this long story, since all of mine are relatively short. There is also a deliberate attempt to do more free writing and a less structured, symmetric story. All of this is based on past comments/feedback.

My goal is to keep chipping away at it, but I might not have as much time this weekend. Also, the more I write the more my kids are asking to sit down and write their own story with me helping… it’s very hard to focus on three different stories at once. Especially since they are all very different. Either way, I might post my intro to get some feedback on the first two pages if people still do that. It used to be motivating.

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I’m up to around 4K words and a solid start. I feel good about what I have so far and am building out one branch to start with. The second branch might be tougher and I’m struggling with if I want to try to make some puzzles or just keep it simple and write… so we will see how I am feeling.

So far there are no puzzles and only a few choices that make a difference. I’m also debating using coding to have one page that changes slightly based on a choice rather than two pages that are similar… so far, I’ve avoided this issue by trying to make every page different for various small reasons, but I think I’ll need to brush up on my conditional text at some point.

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Well, my plan of making a fairly simple storygame has gone out of the window. I'm not actually sure where some of these paths are going, or why I now have a slew of other characters who just happened to show up.

The storygame itself is apparently inspired by a horror movie I saw years ago. I don't remember the title, though I might be able to find it again based on what I do remember.

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     I don't have the exect same situation, but yeah things got kind of out of hand for me too. I though what I was writing was too compact and my story would be too short, so I tried to loosten it up but now it's headed to be way longer than I originally meant it to be. I had a similar issue with Shifter, actually.

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This is a very common problem with these types of games... They can expand exponentially. Especially if you want to make it long and work in "too many" choices without a way to bring them back to another branch or end them.

I think there are guides on this in the Help & Info tap if you need it. Otherwise, good luck with your story! It sounds fun that it expanded with more characters and branches.

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17 days ago

Fucking Christ, you lot are arguing over religious shit that doesn't matter since UD totally missed the mark on the "old gods" prompt anyway. Anything he uses from the text walls isn't going to help him.

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I was tempted to pick that one and make it a Lovecraftian First World War story, but the result would have been a bit too similar to some of the Laconia paths.

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We aren't arguing anymore, we're exchanging autism. UD is irrelevant.

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Average CYStian: "The Greeks were so high minded and complex, let me write thousands of words about their fascinating belief systems!"

Average Greek: "hmm I wonder what little boy from my family's slave stable I should make romantic advances upon today...?"

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17 days ago
Wrote 3000 words of swan on queen tentacle porn and then realized that was UD's prompt. Damn, starting over AGAIN.

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16 days ago

There is truly no way you're being serious at this point.

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13 days ago
Promised myself I wouldn't post in this thread until I had a solid foundation. Then y'all started clogging up the thread with religious shit. Then I forgot. Then I was in St. Louis for a week visiting family. Anyway, I started working up again this Monday.

Every single page & branch has been put into the CYS editor. 76 total pages and 592 words in the editor.

Plot is formed and ready to go. Just need to get into the mind of my incredibly weird protagonist. The storygame is very Endmaster-esque, as in the ones such as LoveSICK and AVSCYS. I hope you all enjoy it when it's finished. As a reminder, I have Prompt 4) A story where the protagonist has a dangerous addiction or obsession.

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13 days ago
Nicely done! This is a great prompt, I'm really excited to see what you'll write from it. We got a great sneak peek from the Mod Thunderdome a few months back, so I can't wait to see a full storygame from this prompt.

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Just crossed the 10k mark.

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Fabrikant, you're doing amazing! I feel like you've really done such a super job in Sherb's contest, last prompt contest, and now this one. And your stories are amazing because there's so many endings! Good job, keep it up, and I can't wait to see this one! I have a feeling it's going to be really cool!

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3 days ago
Aww, thanks!

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I have been flaking as usual. Running a roleplaying game for my friends is taking up most of my creative energies.

But it does mean that if whoever took the dinosaur prompt also flakes I'll be all over that one next year.

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I've had some struggles myself, but it's more related with how to put the story together. I did have a similar problem last year, but that was more related to a specific plot point. This is like, the entire story is kicking my ass. Hope I escape shame.

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I would love to know more. Flux, how much can you say about your story? This sounds really interesting, but I get it if you want to keep the story beats a surprise.

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I can't really say too much without spoiling the plot (assuming I even finish the planning stage, let alone the story). My current plan involves a couple of POVs, which is itself difficult. But the hardest thing is making an obsessive, sometimes emotionally dissociative, and potentially grating character sympathetic.

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3 days ago
Do you need sympathetic? People usually like protagonists if they are good at one thing, or special in one way.

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I do, which is why I may regret this idea. But since I'm having like a 60-40 split between two characters as the POV, perhaps I can make it work.

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This is how it always starts, isn't it? Then there is this one idea which sparks your fascination with the story and it all becomes a bliss. I am sure it will happen to you too soon.

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That's true. And I already am at that stage where I'm kind of committed to an idea I like. It's just when you hit those story-logistics roadblocks. These tend to really shut me down.

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I guess I might as well post my update.

Still stuck at 1510 words. I've been keeping a running log, but I haven't done much with writing as of late. My log is filled with 0 word streaks, so hopefully I break that stasis today.

Still, I'm optimistic. I think I have a really cool idea, and I'm feeling really excited to see this project through. It would be really awesome! I just got to get out of this funk that I seem to be in.

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You got this! I would try some free writing on the topic. Just write and worry about editing or “fixing the story” later. Sometimes getting words down will get you motivated even if it is not your best writing. A start is better than most people, and you can add to that today.

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Stuck on a particular plot point? Have you considered just skipping that part, maybe writing the ending instead?

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So I guess I can poke my head in here now officially.

I took a while to get in because I was originally taking time to see if I had some workable ideas for the sports prompt combined with some sprinkles of the "literally retarded" prompt. I still might write that story down the line but I just didn't have enough interest to commit to what I had in mind at the time.

Zero words as of now but that's because I'm still wrapping up my branching diagram. I'm gonna try to keep my scope relatively small so I can deliver something rather than overreach and get fed to rape scorpions. It would be my first fictional work I've finished in a very long time so I'm excited, even if it'll be something short or ass.

It's cancer, we're just having fun with it!

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yesterday
The Wardens have been quiet here , are you all not progressing? I will check how they are doing.

@Chris
Surely you have more than 2114 words now?

@Clayfinger 
Don't tell me you take more than 20 days for the planning stage !

@Enterpride 
Do you only write when drunk?

@MiltonManThing 
What is the story people are waiting for? must they wait forever?

@MrAce321 
why are you saving someone else from shame when you cannot save yourself? 

@Petros
Oh sorry- I thought you were brave enough to join the contest

@Anthraxus
Oh sorry- I thought you were warden

I will tag @SpecialOlympic because he will want to know the results !! I shall not ask him a question because he does not want to share his progress to with our mutual rivals.

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bro you type like an indian (no offense RK)

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Commended by Mizal on 1/26/2026 7:33:24 PM
I am not? But I notice you tend to avoid the question of your progress so I think you're not a threat シ

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Okay, that's the only free comm for funny anyone's getting here.

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You're right, I wrote one (1, singular) word today. 2115 now. But nah for real I'm not bothering to update in the thread because no one gives a shit until the story's actually out. Just shy of 3000 words now, working at a snail's pace. Also don't forget the numbers next time fuckboi.

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Well, if writers are divided into planners and pantsers, I'm definitely a big believer in the planning camp. I'd rather write a coherent story at one go than write something riddled with plot holes because I was making things up as I went. I'm currently at 1793 words.

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I usually do more planing than writing to make very structured stories. This time around, I’m winging it more. I have to say that it is very freeing to just write without having a whole plan and flow chart. I can just decide to end a page or add a choice at will and it’s nicer than I thought it would be. I’m even taking notes as I go to avoid plot holes. Time will tell if this actually works though.

I just thought I’d add my two cents here because I was thinking about this while reading whatever this exchange is.

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24 hours ago
Warden on Warden violence, it does not concern more civilized folk.

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23 hours ago
Ah yes, how foolish of me. Relating to peasants is beneath me. Besides, I should be writing with every spare moment I have. I can’t dishonor Will’s sacrifice for me to be here.

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I simply don't trust myself to write anything above 10k words just by winging it lol. I'm sure there are writers that can pull it off but I find it scary.

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It's really not scary. I've found the process is a lot more conducive to a Time Cave about exploring a world. My 40k word story When The Music's Over was written entirely by vibes and going "hey, this would be cool here". And also being a teenager with nothing better to do than write 4k words in a night then fuck off and play video games for a week probably helped.

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Oh yeah, if the branching is literally about exploring different branching paths then pantsing would be a viable way to write. I should check that story out some time.

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I feel I've grown quite a bit as a writer since I wrote it but it's probably still the work I'm most proud of on this site all these years later, mostly because it's the largest in scope out of all my stories and a scope I've yet to match at that. I've been saying I'm gonna rewrite and expand upon it for years now and everytime I try to sit down and actually do it I don't get very far. Maybe I'll get around to it by the time of the tenth anniversary.

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I will add that it feels scary to not have everything planned and just start writing… in particular, I felt that way when I was writing a lot years ago. However, when I’m actually doing it there is less fear and stress than I thought. I’m 5K words into this story and meant to do a lot more planning, but I’m really enjoying just seeing where it goes. There is a fun element to being open to having the story branch naturally that I’m enjoying.

Also, yeah When The Music’s Over is a good story. Give it a read! I remember proofreading that one a long time ago

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Your proofreading was much appreciated even if I kinda jumped the gun and published it before you actually finished the whole thing, lol. There's still some typos in there I've never bothered to go back and fix.

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It took me a long time to get to everything, so I get it. The story is still a great read. If I remember correctly, none of the issues were big. I tend to get really picky when proofreading, and there was one branch I didn’t even read until the story was released.

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I would argue plot holes occur on both ends of the scale; pacing is the pantser's kryptonite.

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I still don't get the whole pacing thing.

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24 hours ago
It's really just about spacing events and information out so they build on what came before without overwhelming the reader with too much at once, or boring them with too little stretched out over too long.

It gets more complicated when dealing with a branching story of course.

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My biggest problem at the moment is remembering which branch has told the reader what information and not getting it crossed up or confused.

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Have you considered Endmaster's technique? If I understand it correctly, he just writes a single linear story, then goes back and writes a single linear story off of a branch, and continues the process all the way back until every branch is complete. That's probably why in a lot of his stories (or rather, 100% of the ones I have personally read), you end up hearing about events that happened in the world away from the protagonist in one branch, but in another branch you are the direct cause of those exact events. I figure it's his style of completing entire branches one at a time that is the reason for that, and it probably solves the problem of keeping straight what the protagonist knows at any given point.

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This a problem in general. Imho it sucks having the same information in multiple branches, because then the reader has to read the same things twice when the replay. This often means that a lot of informaton needs to go in front (which creates problems with pacing), or branches need to be geographically separated so that the information is not needed. It's tricky.

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In Of Dreams and Daemons, I opted to simply not reveal all the information in any branch. That way, readers can go for new branches knowing that there's unique information to be learned in each branch. Well, that's what I intended but I did end up unconsciously frontloading a lot of the information before providing the first real branch option, resulting in the story being a bit linear.

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I start my story with a vaugue plan. Then I write a few pages to find out what tone of writing I want to use. Next I plan each page with the details before I write it out, but not all at once so I can change things later if appropriate; in a way, each page plan is reminiscent of a first draft.

It has been a helpful method so far, you can try !